Rays Drop Game And Series 2-1 To Diamondbacks
by Erik Hahmann on Jun 27, 2010 5:19 PM EDT
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PrintThe Rays fell to the Diamondbacks today, but I'm sure that's not what a majority of you want to talk about. In the top of the 5th inning Rusty Ryal tripled on a ball to deep left center. Everyone's favorite whipping boy, B.J. Upton, didn't run full speed after it resulting in a triple. The next batter, Gerardo Parra, crushed a Wade Davis fastball to deep center field, giving the Diamondbacks a 2-0 and negating any misfortune that may have come from the Parra triple. Parra could have singled and it would have counted the same. After that half inning Evan Longoria was shown voicing his displeasure with Upton in the dugout. Naturally, Upton didn't enjoy being dressed down by a teammate and started barking back at Longoria, eventually having to be physically restrained by teammates. It wasn't a pretty sight by any means, but I'm guessing by Maddon's non reaction that he was fine with the two handling the issue themselves. As far as Upton goes, call me a homer, tell me I have blinders on, what have you. I'm not going to kill the guy over that play. He tracks down too many balls and saves too many runs for me to get upset with him.
Now onto something that actually matters, the game:
Just like Jeff Niemann on Friday night, I feel for Wade Davis. He pitched one of his best games of the season, going 7.1IP (his deepest all season) while allowing just two runs and striking out five. His fastball and curveball were very sharp on the afternoon, with reach registering a strike percentage of over 70. Davis was less reliant on his fastball than usual, and that seemed to help him against a power hitting Arizona lineup. Only four of his 27 first pitches were of the fastball variety. When there were two strikes on a batter Davis threw 10 curveballs, 14 fastballs, and 15 sliders. On those 39 pitches, 16 were fouls, whiffs, or called strikes with the rest being put in play. The 36% fastball usage in that situation is far less than his seasonal average. For comparison, here is his fastballs usage by two strike counts:
0-2: 64%
1-2: 38%
2-2: 60%
3-2: 90%
A start like this will surely help quell the Jeremy Hellickson cravings, at least for a little while.
The biggest proprietor of fail this afternoon, and the whole series, was the offense. They managed just two hits today, giving them a total of seven for the series. That's 7-81 for those counting at home. The offense was so bad that it's impossible to pin it on one person. I wish it were that easy. The only silver lining is that its nearly impossible for them to continue being this porous. At least I hope. With as bad as they were today, the game ended up being decided by a few feet. In the 8th inning, with Crawford on first after pinch running for Jaso, Sean Rodriguez lined out sharply to third basemen Tony Abreu who was nearly hit in the face with the ball. Abreu then doubled up Crawford at first. If that ball is a foot higher, or if Abreu is playing back a couple of feet, Rodriguez gets an easy double and Crawford scores to tie the game. The 9th inning held more of the same. With two outs and Matt Joyce on first after a walk, Upton came to the plate. If this were a movie Upton would have crushed a ball into the left field seats for a feel good walk off victory. Instead, Upton got a hold of one and sent it to deep left center only to have Chris Young catch it while crashing into the wall. If that ball is three feet the left, the Rays have a victory.
The Rays now head to Boston to begain a two game set on Tuesday. With Dustin Pedroia on the DL and Victor Martinez getting injured this afternoon, I really hope the Rays can bounce back and start this tough road trip out on the right foot.
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You're a homer
I’ve defended Upton over the years but that trot is completely inexcusable. It was barely over half the speed of some of the breaks he makes on other balls. My only explanation is that he was thinking it would get a big carom, or it was going out. Either way, that’s no justification.
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jun 27, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Indeed a homer defense
Throw out the ifs ands and buts, he was dogging it on the play and he got called out by a teammate. This isn’t the first time he was on the field with a don’t give a crap attitude and most likely wont be the last.
And let's not forget to mention him getting picked off AGAIN, as the post game thread conveniantly did, at a most unfortunate time
They might have had two on, and one out instead…
When CC returns let's do a CC. S-Rod, Joyce/Zobrist OF
by sternfan1 on Jun 27, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does BJ have options?
I’m not suggesting he be sent down, but I’m just wondering
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
by stpetelawyer on Jun 27, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
before this game
I wanted to make BJ the defensive replacement/4th OF. Now I’m not even sure the team could justify that.
It looked to me to be right in that triangle area and he wasn't sure how it was going to come off the wall.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad you mentioned BOS in your thread so i didn't have to make this an OT post
They’re up 4-1—Hello 3rd place
Have you ever tried ignoring him. Don't read or answer. I have no difficulty at all doing that.
If he never gets any responses, my bet would be that he’d depart. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, did it make any noise.
He keeps going even when no one responds to him
He is a constant vuvuzela playing notes of woe, a siren of sorrow.
In my day lots of messy tissues over her
by sternfan1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:30 AM PDT
I just got home from the game
We were up in the 200 level seats above the Rays dugout so I didn’t see the “dustup,” but I certainly wasn’t the only one commenting that BJ didn’t run after the ball. Yes, he has made great plays in the past. However, when your team is tied and you have been sucking horribly at the plate – run after the damn ball! I like BJ as a player and I want him to do well. He has been terrible lately so things like not hussling are magnified. Now, if he’s hurt and can’t run then sit him down for a healthy player. It doesn’t seem like that’s the case though. After the game Maddon mentioned in his post game interview that he was happy that Longo said something to him. He also said that it was “obvious” that BJ didn’t run as hard has he could. You are getting paid $3 million to play baseball. Your batting average, OBP and power numbers are all sucking. You even got picked off first base. The only thing in your control is your effort level. RUN AFTER THE BASEBALL! I don’t know what disciplinary actions need to be taken. How do you make someone hussle that doesn’t want to? I’m sure people will respond to my post with clever remarks like “Heater’d” but this is a real problem that needs addressed whether it involves your favorite player or not.
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
by stpetelawyer on Jun 27, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
we're slumping and everyone wants to pin it on someone
who better than BJ? but like you said, 2 opportunities that luck really screwed us. i don’t feel bad, or angry about this game, i just feel sick knowing we had 2 great hits taken away in the 8th and 9th, either of which would have made the game go to extras/rays win.
who is blaming the team's slump on BJ's lack of effort?
just curious as I haven’t seen that argument made
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by stpetelawyer on Jun 27, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, excuse my wording
my point is that if that run doesn’t score, there isn’t a second thought about it. as it ended up, upton’s play didn’t even affect the score. but because we lost we will hear sf1 and his band of Heater lackeys chorus for his benching, which will do nothing but weaken our CF defense and demoralize upton himself. tell me, who would we start in upton’s place that would make this a better team?
i point to the offense as a whole for why we lost this game, not any one player.
You never know
how pitch selection is affected by a runner on second with one out and a runner on third with one out and infield in..you never know…
time to bring back Jonny Gomes!
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by Clearwaterburgh on Jun 27, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Even though this will be the headline
The Real story is where did the bats go?
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jun 27, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the runner gets thrown out a third. Ever think of that?
We aren’t losing solely because of Upton. Nobody has said that. He hasn’t been hitting, but neither has the rest of the team. It just stands out when they are sucking and not trying hard. BTW, I really don’t think Upton will be demoralized because of some upset fans on Draysbay.
Upton’s defense is superior to anyone we could put in center, however, his bat absolutely has sucked so hard this year, that it is starting to become annoying. Couple that with what could be perceived by his own teammates as a lack of effort and you may need a change.
All you have to do is look at the reaction of his teammates
No one criticized Longoria, and Upton was the one who got pissed. Longoria did what you want a leader to do. That is, unfortunately, the part that gets overlooked here. This is what you want the leader of your team to do. I’m glad Longoria is ready to take this on.
In the replay, you could see the look of disgust on a lot of players faces, with even Shields telling Upton to chill out.
Maybe if Upton showed as much hustle and effort on the field as he did towards Longoria we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Upton has all the talent in the world and yet doesn’t give it all he’s got consistently. This is where the frustration lies. He can make the great play, but he can get lackadasical. And most importantly, when your team is in a funk and you need everything you got just to get a damn hit, jogging in the field and getting picked off on first is not a way to help. S-Rod showed how you can try to make something out of nothing with his hustle today. Upton showed us the exact opposite. If Upton wants to be upset, he should be upset with himself.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said, as the sun sets on the Crawford era, we have a whole new one coming up on the horizon.
It will truly be a pleasure to watch Longo carry this team for the next 6.5 years.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not the result that bothers me, it's the process.
not running out balls is a bad process that will eventually lead to bad results. We can argue about whether this is an ongoing problem or an isolated incident but I believe that Maddon needs to address this. I bet BJ is not in the line up next game.
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
by stpetelawyer on Jun 27, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet you this, Upton is not with the Rays next year.
He will be shopped and traded and most likely do extremely well wherever he goes. But he won’t be able to be that player here. What’s sad is, even with his family here, he did this. You would think he’d go full throttle for this series. Instead he embarrasses himself. Sad.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No one feels worse than him, I'm sure, playing in front of family can be a difficult proposition.
I always thought I did worse even though I was trying harder.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Another thing I mentioned in the OT thread
Upton didn’t run out the ball he hit in the ninth, I think that was a dumb move seeing as he was the tying run and if that bull lands it bounces off the wall and goes behind the CF. defenseless Upton defender
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jun 27, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This hits at the point--BJ assumes a whole lot more than he should
The problem isn’t that he’s lazy, like many people say. The problem is he assumes things too often and when his assumption is wrong he looks like an idiot. He assumed the batter would jog to second and not be hustling out of the gate. In the 9th he assumed it was a homer so he jogged.
It’s not so much as laziness as it is mental lapses. If he didn’t assume as much, this wouldn’t happen. If he hustled, this wouldn’t happen. As they say, you know what happens when you assume…
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry - that's a definition of "lazy"
If I assume the shot my tennis opponent just made is going long and stop trying on the point, and the ball drops in at the last instant, I look like an idiot for assuming a long ball…I was also LAZY, as I could have assumed the worst result (the ball stays in), and gotten into position to return…
So I agree that BJ assumes to much and looks bad when he’s wrong. We do that at times and look the same. But if he’s assuming another runner would not be trying for three bags or not husting out of the batters box…hmmm…I have to wonder if BJ could have been “projecting” a bit? Since the example from the 9th indicates that BJ doesn’t see the need to hustle out fo the batters box at all times…
Actually, that's not a definition of lazy at all.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
I think your example is more founded on a skill than luck.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
What's with the lack of HRs from this team
Are the FBs just not traveling as far? I’m looking at the fangraphs HR/FB% and most of the previous years it’s been 11ish%
PIZZA?!?
apart from beej's last gasp
longo had a warning track hit and i’m pretty sure jaso did at the beginning of the 9th too. sickening.
Now now, these comments are reactionary
What are you, the police chief of Malibu?
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jun 27, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like Sternfan's jerkoff name, I don't like his jerk off face, and I don't like him, jerkoff.
STAY OUT OF DRAYSBAY, DEADBEAT.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
This is an exceptional observation.
FG has us at 9% HR/FB on the year. If we reverse engineer this you’ll find that we’ve had 2551 ABs. If we subtract the 590 Ks then we get 1961 (approximately) balls in play. 1961*9%=68.30. We have hit 68 HRs as a team, so I feel this is a good approximation of balls in play. If we were hitting them out at the supposed average of 10.6% we would have 80 home runs which would put us 8th in MLB. Perhaps this is another area that we are just getting unlucky (we’re down about 15% from expected) or maybe it’s a broader trend that we just aren’t as muscley armed as the other teams. I mean shoot the Mariners have a HR/FB of 5.8% and does anyone think that they’ve been unlucky or just that they’re a buncha Sally’s?
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Sickening
I know luck has absolutely abused us recently but it’s getting hard to imagine it going our way in the future. This has just been heartbreaking.
And now we're fighting with each other
Awesome :(
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it is a joke lately
Miami is in Ohio
by Clearwaterburgh on Jun 27, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
of Carlos Mencia quality
I’m trying to stay optimistic, but luck/poor play/whatever is killing off my hope. This is the Funk That Won’t Die.
I worry that I may be on track to become Sternfan the Younger.
In my day lots of messy tissues over her
by sternfan1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:30 AM PDT
BJ has shown a pattern of dogging it every now and then.
I would be willing to give him a benefit of a doubt, but this isn’t the first time.
For everyone getting on BJ.... please name me 3 times that this has been an issue. I'll help you:
1. Today
2. The time Maddon benched him for not running it out to 1B
3. ……………….
……………………….
That we know of....
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by Clearwaterburgh on Jun 27, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but we have all watched a hell of a lot of Rays games and I fail to remember the same rap on anyone else.
I can’t recall anyone else taking a play off. Can you?
Crawford? Zobrist? Longo? anyone?
Its inexcusable and he has a history
But he is not the only one. Aybar and Navi are habitual loafers to 1st base. Pena misgloved a ball last week and walked to it in foul territory allowing a runner to take an extra base. I was stunned when Pena did it, bu am less surprised at BJ. Mental lapses
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 27, 2010 8:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A lot of players sometimes take a play off
Some are just not as noticeable
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jun 27, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It's more noticeabale when you are playing poorly
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
by stpetelawyer on Jun 27, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't just one time not running out a grounder that got him benched
It was several times in a short period of time. The number one rule on the Rays is hustle. And hustle and BJ Upton just don’t go together in my mind.
Seriously?
How long have you been following the team?
This was THE issue with BJ going all the way back to the minors. I spent several years watching him in Durham (he IS a Hell of a ballplayer) where, among other things, there were problems getting him to pick up balls after practice to the point that rumor was he (not Young) was going to get traded. The whole reason he was even in the field to begin with was his MI skills weren’t there and he was pretty pissed about having to work his issues out in AAA as opposed to the bigs.
I like BJ—-I’ve been following him and these other dudes since A ball. But names 3 times? Good grief. Do a google search and find me three where it hasn’t come up!
by smithhasaname on Jun 28, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Others covered this already, but...
There were four specific instances (to my memory) in 2008 that led to the benching. Not an isolated incident. Off topic, but last night at Gameworks he had a guy assigned to carrying around his spit cup so he had his hands free to play games at the Rays ST holders event.
by gatorman2k2 on Jun 28, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This weekend was manna from heaven for the talk radio goobers.
Monday will be the worst day of knee-jerking and stupid opinions on 620 since Gruden was let go, mark it down. Possibly even worse because there will be some thinly veiled racism too.
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Is it veiled "racism" to call Upton out for being lazy?
As has been mentioned, he’s got the track record, and with his lack of production it get’s magnified. With all his physical gifts you have to wonder from the reults if:
1) BJ Upton is fundementally a lazy ballplayer
2) BJ Upton is just not a very good hitter
Sure there’s the defensive gems to consider, but up to this point the “lazy” plays appeared on the offensive side. If he’s prone to dogging it in the field he’s shooting down the one skill that has kept him in good graces with a lot of people.
It's been alleged without proof enough times to make it so.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Jun 27, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
racist thing is getting old
It’s been used as a way to put down others bad views of him for a while.
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jun 27, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This time it's warranted.
But a lot of people (especially when they can stay anonymous on talk radio or on a newspaper site) take it way too far, or bring it up when they shouldn’t. You’ve seen it, I’ve seen it, it exists.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Jun 27, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Warranted how
if you’re talking about what is going to happen on sports talk radio/ the future?
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jun 27, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It's warranted because this time B.J. was actually loafing.
A lot of other times, people just think they saw something.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Jun 27, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The part about criticizing him for loafing is warranted. Not the other stuff.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Jun 27, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The racism charge is horse shit
Calling out racism is the tactic of someone who can’t carry an argument. If people don’t like Upton for no reason that you see it has to be racism? How do you know what’s in someones heart or mind? Maybe people don’t like him for the sake of him being a very unlikable guy.
Isn't that the whole point of the "lazy" meme here?
I dunno, maybe I’m not making my point very well, or it’s just a stupid point to begin with. Shame on me both ways, I guess.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Jun 27, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
People fail to realize that someone who is lazy will display a lack of effort 100% of the time.
Just because someone displays a lack of effort once or twice, or even multiple times like in the case of Upton, doesn’t mean they’re lazy. Laziness is a universal disinterest in effort.
But apparently saying “BJ doesn’t always have his head in the game,” which is the most accurate statement we can actually make as fans, isn’t enough for most people, which is why it became intolerant on this site to call him lazy.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
enough of the racist bullshit
Upton: "You know what, where I was positioned, it’s a long way to go. Joe’s always said it to me that you shouldn’t assume, but I assumed the leftfielder (Matt Joyce) might be there, but he wasn’t and maybe I should have cut it off. But it’s over with now.’’
the problem is he assumes too damn much. Call it lazy if you want, but he assumed joyce would be there, he assumed the guy would jog to second, he assumed the ball was hit out and no need to run in case it bounced off the wall—even though he represented the winning run…
so does this make Longoria racist? The racist crap has got to go. Call it for what it is. A dumbass play
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate Uptons quotes after the game
fucking apologize you idiot, you made two bad assumptions during the game that made you look like an asshat.
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jun 27, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
A few games back BJ got good wood on a fastball and sent it deep to center. He ASSumed
it was a dinger and lingered around home and jogged to first, admiring his work. Ball bounced off top of the wall and he barely made it to second for a double. His luck won’t always hold out on nonsense like that. i really like the guy in a lot of ways, just don’t understand the way he chooses to play the game.
Damn Beej, trashing Joyce like that?
Joyce was closer to the play than I would have thought he would have been. Like I said in the GDT, I like 90% of the people here will defend Upton on virtually anything, but that was his ball and he didn’t run at full speed. It’s as simple as that. It’s one incident, do I want to get rid of Upton after this incident? No. But I’m not going to deny it because I like him so much.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
"90% of the people here will defend Upton on virtually anything"
In this thread that sure doesn’t seem true.
Great we tied a country who eat their young
by sternfan1 on Jun 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 28, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a testament to the size of the community. ;)
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
XD
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by sternfan1 on Jun 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 28, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem with Upton is that he's an athlete
without the requisite baseball instincts. Base running is a prime example… he’s been picked off what, 4 times already, AND has 3 or 4 additional steals on plays where he was picked off but his athleticism still got him to second. Yesterday’s was one of the ugliest pickoffs you’ll ever see and I was angrier at him for that than for the play in the field.
by gatorman2k2 on Jun 28, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
RI gem:
They should have gotten rid of him last year when they realized he was a fluke. He is a loser, seriously a loser; he acts like it and plays like it. He needs to lay off the weed. Needs to be faithful to his 1 girlfriend locally and not have kids out of the relationship (obviously we know that isn’t the case).
The front office and Maddon have dropped the ball. Now we probably can’t get that much for him and that is a shame. He has always been like this and they turned their heads.
Thank god Longo being the winner he is will not stand for it. Will the front office actually do something? As much as good they have done, they have done some pretty bad decisions and here is another one.
It is a shame that a team looking for some direction is now having to baby, little Bossman. If Maddon was a man, he would have pulled Upton after Longo confronted him and since he didn’t; now Longo will question whether Maddon is committed to winning and him. That is the truth.
Cut the cancer out and have Jennings take his spot, trade him in a package with Blaylock and get something in return. And then sign Crawford I don’t care how much percentage of payroll he takes, he is winner. That is a trait that can not be quantitative.
*Jogs after ball in CF* *has kids outside of relationship*
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by sternfan1 on Jun 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 28, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Naturally, Upton didn’t enjoy being dressed down by a teammate and started barking back at Longoria
Naturally, Longoria didn’t enjoy watching the play or having to say something to Upton.
Its not the worst play in the world – or the end of the world – and this stuff certainly gets blown out of proportion (especially when things aren’t going well). I also don’t think this will have any long term implications… but c’mon… call a spade a spade here. There’s no excuse for the way Upton played the ball and he deserves to be called out for it . Ideally, not by Longoria in the dugout – but hey, better to have team leaders like that. If you don’t have a feeling of accountability towards your teammates that is when you lose the culture of winning that is so important to being a good ballclub.
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That's a pretty poor choice of words considering the content of this thread
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by sternfan1 on Jun 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 28, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I know I might be stirring the pot here... But serious question.
Does anyone think the BJ could be dogging it on the field to get out of town. I can tell you this. I honestly believe that is what happened with Burrell. I am not sure if BJ has an issue at all the reason I ask is to find out if anyone has considered that possibility?
If it is judged that he is dogging it to get out of town. My first solution would be to call up Nando or Jennings and send him down. If it is a change of scenery he wants then by all means give it to him.
I really like BJ and I defend him all of the time. But when another player on the team calls him out, and a team-mate that has played with him for quite a few seasons feels compelled to say something, I can no longer address it as media muckraking. If another player on the team says it you have to wonder exactly how deep the fracture in the clubhouse goes?
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I don't think BJ is inherently evil enough to do that
But I do think he “thinks” where other guys “react”. And I’m also pretty sure he won’t be here long term, and the feeling is probably approaching mutual with the FO. Would not at all be surprised to see Sean Rod / DJ / Joyce in the OF next year.
by gatorman2k2 on Jun 28, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe that's why Bartlett can't hit this year because he wants to get out of town.
It’s dangerous to make an assumption like that.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
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