Tampa Bay Rays 2010 Trade Dealine Handbook: The Real Wishlist
[Note by Tommy Rancel] The final article in a series prepared by Steve Slowinski, who is away on leave
DRB Trade Deadline Handbook: The Ones We Really Want
Same disclaimer as before. Do I know if the Rays are actively considering any of these players? No, I have no inside sources or scoops; instead I'm relying upon my knowledge of the Rays' front office to inform my opinions. The order of this list is entirely subjective and shouldn't be taken as set in stone, nor should you treat it too seriously. Don't debate with me if you think Player X is ranked too high or low - I'm more concerned about if you believe Player X should be considered or not. Please feel free to pose comments, critiques, and especially commendations below.
5. Matt Thornton - RP
- Rest of Season Salary: $1.125M
- Rest of Season Projection: 3.28 FIP, 39 IP
- Contract Status: $3M club option for 2011, Type A or B free agent afterward
- Notes: Thinking of acquiring Matt Thornton makes me giddy. He's one of the best relief pitchers in the game - not to mention one of the best lefty relievers in the game - and he's signed to a very team-friendly contract through next season. While the Rays have been burned in the past by acquiring relievers signed to long-term deals, Thornton is a higher quality pitcher than any reliever the Rays have ever had (including 2008 Grant Balfour). He's posted a 1.72 FIP so far this season, averaging 13 K/9 (!!!) and 2.67 BB/9. He's got filthy stuff, generating a 15% SwgStr%, but he's a 33 year old player on a White Sox team that needs to get younger. He won't come cheap, but the White Sox could use some middle infield help...
4. Luke Scott - DH/OF
- Rest of Season Salary: $2M
- Rest of Season Projection: .357 wOBA, 7.4 wRAA (~0.7 offensive WAR)
- Contract Status: Eligible for arbitration for the next two seasons.
- Notes: From all the play that Luke Scott has gotten on DRB and on Twitter, this seems low for him. However, there are a couple reasons to be cautious when considering him. While Scott has posted an impressive wOBA this year in the AL East (.371) it is a career high number and he is 32 years old. Scott is much more likely to perform near his career level of a ~.360 wOBA, which is perfectly fine for a cheap midseason pick-up. If the Rays were to trade for him, though, what would they do with him after this season? Scott is eligible for arbitration these next two seasons and will likely get somewhere in the range of $5-8M in each of those years, and the Rays don't need another outfielder long-term. Would they decline to offer him arbitration and let him walk, getting nothing in return? Would they attempt to re-trade him? I don't like the idea of having an aging $6M DH/OFer on our roster indefinitely, which is why Scott is placed this low.
3. Paul Konerko - 1B
- Rest of Season Salary: $6M
- Rest of Season Projection: .373 wOBA, 13.5 wRAA (~1.4 offensive WAR)
- Contract Status: Free agent after season, potential Type A
- Notes: The only negative thing about Konerko is the money owed him this season; I don't know the state of the Rays' books, but an additional $6M might be outside their budget unless they're able to offload some contracts in the process or through another trade. If the Rays were able to take his salary on, though, Konerko would be an excellent addition to the team. Although he's 34 years old, he's still hitting the ball well and currently has an insane .420 wOBA. Even if he cools off to a more normal .370 wOBA, he's still one of the best offensive players that the Rays could add and would be a virtual lock to garner Type-A status at the finish of the season, giving the Rays two additional draft picks next year. Yes, please.
2. Adrian Gonzalez - 1B
- Rest of Season Salary: $2.4M
- Rest of Season Projection: .386 wOBA, 19.8 wRAA (~2.0 offensive WAR)
- Contract Status: $5.5M club option for 2011.
- Notes: If only San Diego wasn't in first place! Even though they would get a better return for Gonzalez by trading him this season, it seems unlikely that the Padres will deal Gonzalez while their team is still contending, especially considering that he's signed to such a team-friendly deal through next season. If he is placed on the trading block, though, the Rays would potentially be able to acquire a premier slugger without spending much money. Of course, they would have to give up a pretty penny in minor league talent and there would be lots of other teams bidding as well; it may not work out in the end, but the Rays would be silly not to inquire and give it a try.
1. Cliff Lee - SP
- Rest of Season Salary: $4M
- Rest of Season Projection: 3.08 FIP, 121 IP
- Contract Status: Free agent following 2010 season; Type A status
- Notes: When you take all the variables into consideration - cost, contract status, potential draft picks, and talent - Cliff Lee is a superb fit for the Rays. He's one of the three best pitchers in the majors, would only cost $4M, and would not lock the Rays in to a long-term contract. Instead, they'd be able to let Cliff Lee walk at the end of the season and get two draft picks back, off-setting the cost of acquiring him somewhat and re-opening a rotation spot for Jeremy Hellickson or Wade Davis. There are going to be lots of teams trying to acquire Lee, but the Rays have a deep farm system and major-league-ready talent like Wade Davis. Again, the odds are going to be steep, but the Rays should make a big push to get Lee. He's the steal of the trade deadline.
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Good wish list...
But I don’t see why the White Sox or Pads would see. The Sox are 1.5 back and the Pads are one of the best in baseball. This would be equivalent to a team throwing Crawford on their wish list.
Personally I think we make a move
for a Scott type player. Lee would
be awesome, but the price is steep and frankly we need O, not pitching
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by matthan on Jun 28, 2010 11:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Exactly, why continue to list those players?
I’m guessing a White Sox blog might include Pena and Crawford because they could use some LH pop
Kila Monster please
He’s ready to step in and mash at the ML level, if he was in a competent franchise he’d already be halfway to 20 dingers this year.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
He has massive holes in his swing. That’s why he hasnlt gotten a good shot yet.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 28, 2010 7:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So does Pena, Upton, Blalock, Joyce, Brignac, Rodriguez and a host of others that get regular playing time on this team
Pretty much everybody, but Evan is a platoon player.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Slow probably anticipates the White Sox realizing they aren't this good.
That and he penned this literally two weeks ago before the White Sox went on a torrid streak.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 28, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Because that's how baseball works.
Remember when people said “lol boston not gonna reach .500 this year lol” in April, and I said they’re better than that? And have they been? Yes.
I will bet any avatar that the White Sox will not beat the Twins in the ALC barring mass exodus.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 28, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i like the Sox bullpen and rotation more than the Twins
The Twins aren’t the same team in Target Field
His point (which I think is reasonable) is that the ALC is wide open. That's been proven year after year.
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by sternfan1 on Jun 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
They should sign Jermaine Dye
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
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Mr. Lee brings grit and dip
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Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This is coherent.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jun 28, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Matt Thorton is good for us. Our bullpen is the best in the AL with a WPA of +4.61. I think we'll do fine there.
I do think that Cliff Lee would be great if we can set up a 3 team deal (Mariners don’t need pitching, we can afford to give up pitching) with like Davis and a B grade prospect (someone like Torres or Aneury).
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 28, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions
We're also last in meltdowns. Thornton is unnecessary.
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, if you think that performance from the pen is sustainable it isn't.
Depending on what the opportunity cost would be for Thornton too (both in salary and talent) it’s not unreasonable to say Thornton isn’t needed as much as, say, Scott.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 28, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Thornton is a luxury, where Scott is a true need. I love the idea of Scott, ALE and DH tested is tough to come by.
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by Erik Hahmann on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The point I'm trying to make is that it'd be a waste of the prospectage
It’d be a far better use to pick up an equivalent big bat type of guy or something similar
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a point I agree with, but R33J mentioned the caveat that it's founded on the notion that our bullpen is not going to fall off a cliff
Which I think is a reasonable assumption, until they indeed fall off a cliff. I’d rather make a trade for Billy Butler or Kila Monstah, whichever no-glove/all-bat 1B we could get cheaper. Only the Royals would make that guy keep mashing in AAA with nothing to prove and no hope for promotion.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 28, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gotta save his clock for those prime years of 32-38
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus he's got multi-positional flexibility now that he can play left field
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by sternfan1 on Jun 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 28, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I would add David DeJesus to the list.
While Scott hits for more power and walks more, DeJesus makes more consistent contact. It would be nice for the Rays to add some variety to a lineup with so many swing and miss hitters. Also, I think DeJesus is the better fielder. He is also 11/2 years younger than Scott.
DeJesus costs a bit more, but not much, and there is a team option for 2011 with a $.5 million buyout. In case there is a problem with Jennings replacing Crawford, DeJesus might be handy to have around for $6 million. In any case, the Rays would have a choice.
I'm interested in what you think it would take to reel him in?
I’ve been a big fan of his for years mostly due to fantasy baseball since he does a decent job of filling all categories, but his value is not limited to pen-and-paper. Just off the top of my head, I would think they would inquire about Jennings/Hellickson and get rebuffed immediately, but they love hard throwers. Maybe McGee, alone, would be enough, but it would probably take another throw-in arm, perhaps Colome or Lobstein. Personally, I’d love it if it could be a Bartlett & Barnese package, but I’d throw in another big name arm if they would be willing to part with one of Kila/Butler.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is, do we need someone like DeJesus long term?
If we could do something like Bartlett, Barnese, Cobb for DeJesus and Kila I’d do it. I don’t know if they would
the problem is we need a bat
and DeJesus is a quality hitter, but how is he in the AL East? Not to mention compared to Scott, he’s not proven he can produce at the DH level (which is a big void on this team)
I would be all for trading either Davis or Hellickson + an expendable prospect for Lee
We’re going to have to dump one of our pitchers in the near future anyway (can’t keep Hellickson in the minors forever), and this’d be a great way to get a lot of bang for our buck.
As for the hitters, I’d really prefer to try to grab someone younger if it’s at all feasible. Scott would be nice, but I’d rather he be the fallback option while we try for DDJ.
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by sternfan1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:30 AM PDT
I'm hoping Garza burns up the back stretch so we can unload him before he gets expensive.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No Gomes?
Free agent after the season, on a team that might not be contending in a month, former Rays ties and hitting a hell of a lot better than the Rays DHs, at least the last time I checked.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 28, 2010 7:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
and because hes not type A
He’s potentially cheaper to get.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 28, 2010 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
also
While Lee should definitely be on the list, I’m not sure he’s enough of an upgrade over Davis/Hellickson to warrant being number 1.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 28, 2010 7:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's a simple and shortsighted way of thinking
Considering Cliff Lee has had a several more opportunities to win a Cy Young than Hellickson/Davis… I’m not saying I wouldn’t want Cliff Lee, but the argument that Hellickson/Davis have both never won a Cy Young is just an asinine point.
We should go get Rocket Clemens
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
According to one of our more racist users "multi"
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by sternfan1 on Jun 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 28, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude. PIRCEmulticyyoungs
He ain’t goin’ nowhere if it’s my decision.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
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