Draft Preview Part I
According to my calculations, there will be 1225 players selected in this year's First Year Player Draft taking place between Monday and Wednesday next week. The Rays will have 6 picks in the first 98 (17, 31*, 42, 66, 79*, and 98) and 53 overall. Obviously they won't sign all 53 guys selected, but they will have a real opportunity to add a ton to an already strong farm system (particularly with all the early picks).
With all the players selected and all the other issues projecting the baseball draft (HS/College, position player/pitcher, signability, etc.), it makes writing about what a team might do an almost futile effort. I could read everything on the internet, and I'd still likely miss on most of those first 6 picks. Hell, I might still miss on all of them. Since this is the case, I think it's a bit more illustrative to take a look at these first 6 picks and come up with game plans. Who might make sense? Is there a certain "set" of player that makes sense?
*These picks are unprotected due to not signing the guys drafted there last year.
To start, I think the best place to look is at the Rays drafting philosophy. In the past, can we put a certain "type" or "set" of player that the Rays have targeted under R.J. Harrison? I'll let ESPN's draft blog take over here:
I have heard this spring that the Rays are an "upside play" kind of club in the draft, suggesting they prefer the high-ceiling prep talent, but David Price and Evan Longoria, both college draftees, say hello. R.J. Harrison and the Rays' front office have shown they are willing to simply draft the best player on the board, regardless of position or level of amateur experience. Perhaps that's why they have one of the best young collections of talent among any organization in baseball.
Well that isn't much help. Looking at last year's draft there seems to be one pattern that pops up: players that fall due to injury. LeVon Washington and Luke Bailey both fit the bill. That's not much of a sample size to really target, though, so we'll assume the Rays go best player available and seemingly target higher upside over lower floor.
Looking at the number 17 pick, I think the Rays could make a really nice play for a high upside guy here. Personally, I'd target one of the very toolsy HS players, a college catcher, or a high upside arm (whether it be college or HS). Looking at the last 3 years, there have been some really talented players taken in the 15-20 range:
- 2009: Alex White (15), UNC, RHP and Shelby Miller (19), HS, RHP
- 2008: Ethan Martin (15), HS, RHP; Brett Lawrie (16), HS, IF; Ike Davis (18), ASU, 1B; and Andrew Cashner (19), TCU, RHP
- 2007: Chris Withrow (20), HS, RHP
As you can see, these guys were from both the college and HS ranks as well as being pitchers and position players.
Where the pundits think we go:
Bryce Brentz, OF, Middle Tennessee State- Brentz's stock seems to have slipped a little, but I still expect him to go in the middle of the round. I do expect the Rays to go pretty heavy on prep athletes at some point in the draft, but it may not come until the second round.
Josh Sale, OF, Bishop Blanchet HS (WA) - Though the Rays are typically big on athletes, they are also good at taking what the draft gives them. This year, they might get a good bat that slides, and Sale is looking more like a backup option at a number of slots rather than a primary target. The Rays, however, probably wouldn't let him continue to slide, as he's a signable power bat
Josh Sale - There will be a number of suitors for Sale, including the Astros, Angels and Blue Jays. The Rays have been scouting him as heavily as anyone and would love a chance at his powerful, high-upside bat. It's a toss-up whether he gets down this far, and this could be as far as he gets depending on who else is available for the Rays. Grandal is in play here if he's still around.
Brentz is a guy who has seemingly fallen, at least in some part, due to an injury sustained this year. He's a CF now, but he'll likely play RF and offer a plus arm there. He seemingly does everything well, but doesn't really have one tool that really sticks out. Seemingly, Brentz would be less of an upside pick unless the Rays feel his injury really hurt his game this year.
Sale is power hitter. Plain and simple. His body is a big knock, but it's part of what makes him a good hitter. He's thick, strong, and somewhat compact. Law has him going at 9 to the Astros, and if he slides he could be a good upside pick that could offer a ton of power in a corner OF spot down the road.
Others I like:
- Austin Wilson, OF, Harvard Westlake HS, CA Toolsy HS OF with a great makeup and Stanford commit.
- Matt Harvey, RHP, UNC Stud out of HS that never put it together until this year. Great velo average offspeed offerings.
- Yasmani Grandal, C, Miami High floor college catcher. Great defense and bat has developed.
Come back for Part II where we take a look at some of the other picks, and some draft odds and ends.
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I'm not so sure about that
It’s closer to 50/50
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
lack of HS lefty power in this draft
of course, Borchering lasted until the 17th pick last year… so that’s why I maintain the 10% chance… but Sale’s swing looks great. if the AStros and A’s don’t take him, then I doubt he gets past the Jays and Rangers
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At 17, my hopefuls in rough order: Josh Sale, Stetson Allie, A.J. Cole, Austin Wilson Yasmani Grandal
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At 31
Just take the best sure-to-sign player(Tyrell Jenkins or Peter Tago from the prep ranks maybe, whoever from college). In the supplemental round, I want Garin Cecchini.
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilson is intriguing
and I think he’ll be available… Cole is a mystery to me… idk bout him. too many question marks to take him with our first pick i think.
as for Grandal, I’m not feeling the catchers too much this draft. though Justin O’Conner is quickly ascending… we has JASO
We might be a little hesitant to try another Stanford guy after Diekroeger
That’s my only concern really.
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like Stanford and Vandy commits are REALLY hard to sign away from school.
I know the education is awesome but are there other reasons for that? From what KLaw says, Stanford ruins their hitters.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
A slightly better defending Travis Snider?
His bat speed is tremendous, he’s really strong(though his swing may limit his power ultimately), he doesn’t really run, throw, or field all that well but could be passable at a corner outfield spot.
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like you're underrating Snider's D wgich isn't all that bad I don't think.
I mean, he’s no Billy Butler or Gomes out there.
Snider gets tossed in with Lind when it comes to the glove.
Also, I assume these posts is why you’ve been MIA the last week or so?
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 4, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Work, these posts, a buddy from work leaving so a lot of happy hours, Memorial Day, etc.
Life’s been busy. The internet missed me at least.
his dad was a weightlifting champ
and got him on a regimented workout before the age of 10 iirc… has some cherokee blood i believe. physical specimen with huge power. don’t think he gets to us.
Samoan, not Cherokee
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we'll target a college bat with 17
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 4, 2010 12:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Brentz doesn't wow me
Grandal’s a decent option, I guess. Other than that, there’s not a whole lot of college bats in play around 17. Gary Brown is as athletic as they come, but he can’t walk to the grocery store, let alone 1st base.
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope Grandal falls. I can't find anything really bad on him.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 4, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This I did not know.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Think Brentz falls to 31?
I like him a lot.
Also, my top target, at 17, Nick Castellanos
Can figure out his position while he is in the minors since his natural position is 3B but he does everything well and definatley fits the high potential bill as a stud HS hitter.
Well Rafael Soriano and Joquain Benoit is very nice also.
Right in the pu*banned*
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I fully expect college pitcher there. I doubt it’ll be Harvey because he’s a Boras guy. I honestly would like him a lot at 17, but I just don’t see it in the cards with us having 6 picks.
I think Law suggested Workman and Asher from the Citadel too.
Both SP types.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Only college Ps I'd like at 31
are Wimmers and Harvey, but Wimmers won’t get there and Harvey’s probably too expensive.
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Tago or Jenkins would be nice
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know as much as some of you but I'd be happy with Grandal & Jenkins with our first two picks.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions
Who is this Brandon Workman that KLaw had us taking at 31?
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
Texas SP that could be a 2/3 in the majors.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This will do.
I know you don’t draft on need but seems kinda meh to me with our current system. Anything can happen though.
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 4, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
my current predicted top 10
1. Washington Nationals – Bryce Harper
2. Pittsburgh Pirates – Jameson Taillon
3. Baltimore Orioles – Manny Machado
4. Kansas City Royals – Drew Pomeranz
5. Cleveland Indians – Chris Sale
6. Arizona Diamondbacks – Stetson Allie
7. New York Mets – Zack Cox
8. Houston Astros – Josh Sale
9. San Diego Padres – Christian Colon
10. Oakland Athletics – Kaleb Cowart
Cowart that high?
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the A's are going with a big HS talent
if J Sale and Allie are gone, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cowart go there. I’d love to get him at our pick.
rough drafting the next bit
11. TOR – Michael Choice
12. CIN – Deck McGuire
13. CHW – Brett Eibner
14. MIL – Karsten Whitson
15. TEX – Brandon Workman
16. CHC – Matt Harvey
17. US – Asher/Covey ? Dylan Covey is pretty talented… hit a rough patch lately… I was thinking he’d be top 10 til this past week.
Where do you see Wimmers falling to?
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
no further than the Twins....
the Red Sox probably snap him up if he is still there. hell, we might take him… I really don’t know who we are going with. a lot of the ‘experts’ are putting guys like Allie and Sale at us, and I would love that but I doubt either will get to us.
actually, in this scenario
WIlson may be a tough sign… but he will definitely be the most talented on the board.
Is LeVon going in the top half of the first round? He's in this draft, right?
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
KLaw has him near the bottom of his top 100.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent
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by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 4, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I somewhat agree.
Not that I wish the kid poorly, but it mitigates the Mistake factor" somewhat if he just wasn’t that good. Makes you wonder what they saw in the first place.
we should have seen Wil Myers taken with our first, or second-round pick.
goshdarnit. will not forgive Rays FO for missing out on him. he’s damn Jayson Werth 2.0, and maybe better.
I can accept T-Bex over Posey/Smoak, but missing out on WIl Myers really doesn’t please me
He can be our very own Emilio Bonifacio
HoF material for sure.
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I know absolutely jack about prospects and the baseball draft, so...
I’m just going to roll with whatever the RFO does and trust that they get it right.
Mostly I’ll be happy if we get at least one solid pitcher and a catcher, since we’ll be lacking in minor league talent next year when Hellickson and Shoppach are (hopefully) full time starters.
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I'm just saying, who else is there?
We need to put someone in the ranks.
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There's a lot there
Torres, Cobb, McGee, Moore, Barnese, Colome, Wilking
Light on hitters but Bailey, Glaesmann, and Malm will be in short-season ball
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
In my fantasy world, DL = Minors
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He led them in hitting I think
Batting eye was a little raw, but still. He should be a big-time prospect in the 2012 draft
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Diekroeger had a good year at Stanford
Pierce Johnson struggled at Missouri State
Dylan Floro pitched well for a freshman at Fullerton
Derek Dennis was okay for Michigan
That’s all I can remember
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I always remember the names of guys that are tough signs
But people gushed over. I think Ryan Carpenter was a name the year before.
His stats aren't great at Gonzaga
but he should be picked decently high next year. Brandon Meredith tore it up at SDSU this year
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Should we expect a lot of high upside HS arms
Along with some good college bats to give some position player depth along with all the high value picks?
This seems like the obvious strategy right now.
PIZZA?!?
another bat people haven't mentioned yet
is Nick Castellanos.
Prior to this week, I expected the Rays to take Asher Wojciechowski at 31. Wojo’s been moving up the charts pretty steadily since then, however. Now I’m thinking Sammy Solis in that spot.
I think 17 is probably going to be best available among Josh Sale, Austin Wilson, and Castellanos.
What is with the Grandal hate on here?
I can’t imagine him falling past 12 to the Reds anyway, and from what I’ve read that seems like consensus (especially with the rumors of a deal struck with the Royals at 4) but if he fell to us I’d pay up for him.
I like Cole, but recent struggles have had him falling, and if we could get him at 31 (we’d have to pay up at that unprotected pick though) then I’d love that.
Wimmers would be awesome, but I doubt he falls. Stetson Allie has been a guy in flux for a while now, and some have him falling to us or even farther, and I would be ok with that as well.
Brentz is a nice backup option, and Sale is just as good if not better than him. We have quite a few decent options and I can’t really see us making a pick at 17 that I hate, but we’ll see.

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