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Stopping the Revolving Door and Possibly Deja Vu

(The bi-weekly Farm Hitting Update will come on Wednesday)

The Rays are in a bit of a funk, and I'm feeling a little bit testy this morning. Therefore, this will probably read a little rant-like than I usually come off, but there will be plenty of statistical facts interlaced with my vitriol. Off we go.

 

Ben Zobrist Needs to Lead Off

Anyone who has followed this team knows right-or-wrong ,Carl Crawford is firmly entrenched in the number two slot. However, the leadoff spot has become a revolving door with Jason Bartlett, Sean Rodriguez, BJ Upton, Ben Zobrist, Reid Brignac and now John Jaso all seeing some time at the front of the lineup. There is no reason for any left-handed batter to bat first outside of the switch-hitting Zobrist. Zobrist has now started in slots 1-6 in the order in 2010. Zobrist's on-base percentage (OBP) was .384 heading into Sunday's game. In 2009, that figure was .405.

Don't get me wrong, I am a John Jaso fan and have loved what his offensive spark has brought to this lineup. I was a fan of Jaso getting a shot in the off-season as seen here. However, sometimes the road from underrated to overrated allows for Autobahn-like speeds. Jaso is an above-average hitting catcher with excellent on-base skills, which is somewhat of a novelty in this town. While his OBP is currently sitting at a silly .425, his 2008 OBP in Durham of .339, and 2009 OBP with the Bulls of .362 are  clearer indications that Jaso possesses on-base skills while falling short of being the second coming of Joe Mauer.

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So what's the big deal if Zobrist and Jaso have on-base skills? For starters, speed is an ideal skill of a lead-off man. Zobrist scratched together 11 infield hits last year and 6 to date this year, while stealing 17 bags in 2009 and 9 thus far in 2010. While Jaso has put together four infield hits, he has but a combined three stolen bases over the past three seasons.

Then there's the minor detail that Ben Zobrist is simply a superior hitter who deserves more plate appearances over the course of the season. On top of that, Reid Brignac has the most starts in the 9th spot. To go Brignac, Jaso, and Crawford consecutively at the end of games makes Randall "Pink" Choate's fraternity of LOOGYs circle like vultures. Zobrist's ability to switch sides at the plate makes opposing manager's jobs all the more difficult if he is sandwiched between the two left-handed bats with wide splits. It also preserves the Rays bench which decreases the chance of the Rays having to give up the designated hitter slot, put Willie Aybar in the middle infield, or Hank Blalock and his chronically damaged shoulder out in right field late in close games. 

On Twitter during yesterday's game (Follow me @FreeZorilla) , I compared Jaso batting lead-off to Jason Bartlett's elevation to that spot in 2009. This was not meant as a knock on Bartlett. Contrary to popular belief, I am a Bartlett fan and do not want to see Reid Brignac at shortstop against southpaws in 2010. However as the image below illustrates, by the time Bartlett was moved to the leadoff spot, his best OBP days were well behind him.

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via www.fangraphs.com


This is similar to what we are seeing with Jaso in 2010.

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via www.fangraphs.com

While Jaso has OBP skills, particularly for a catcher, I'd be surprised to see him  north of .355 from here on out. That's a number to be proud of, but not what is needed at the top of the order of this team sans speed. I see no benefit out of anybody not named Carl Crawford or Evan Longoria having more plate appearances than Ben Zobrist and since CC won't bat leadoff....

 

Gabe Kapler is Not Worthless

I am experiencing deja vu, and just in case I am misusing the term let me go ahead and mislabel it as being chock full of irony as well. Right around this very time last year, just about every respected writer or commenter on this site was either part of the angry mob trying to designate Gabe Kapler for assignment, or at least had grown comfortable with the possibility. I won't name names, but go ahead and do a comment search for DFA Kapler, cut Kapler, or release Kapler. If you comment regularly and never at least grew comfortable with the notion publicly, please stand up. Kapler finished the year with a .923 OPS or .394 wOBA against left-handed pitching. It sure would have sucked to DFA that type of production prior to it being realized. Please find below the image of Kapler's wOBA over time each season and realize what a long strange trip it's been:

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via www.fangraphs.com

It's easy to get caught up about a struggling player when your team is struggling as well. We try to remain patient and feel somewhat justified headhunting two months into the season. However, that two month sample size cannot apply to the right-handed side of a platoon due to about one-third of the usage of a full-time player. Kapler has only had 89 plate appearances to date, fifty more than Hank Blalock and fourteen fewer then than Sean Rodriguez. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

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If you recall Z-man, and you're quite good at researching my posts

i was one of the first to call for Zobrist in the lead off last season, and was attacked by most, not you, because at the time he was mashing HRs

by sternfan1 on Jun 6, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

The Passion of SF1

Are you saying he should become fashionable or elitist or snarky or condescending? Is he supposed to adopt logical fallacies as his core technique of debate? Is he supposed to bleat religious proclamations and claim they are "proved" by statistics when they aren’t?

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 6, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO Kapler is trending downwards

In fact I’d argue that it’s happening at a significant clip. However he’s been a lefty mashed and even trending down he very well may still be our best option for that role.

Sometimes people forget that being a GM isn’t just about evaluating one single player but rather it is all about replacement. A great player or a bad player….doesn’t matter, the question is do you have something better? We don’t with Kapler

Go Gators!!

by matthan on Jun 6, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Here's the problem. When Bartlett returns,m and Joyce finally gets a shot, he's 26 this summer, who goes and who stays?

And i have to assume this three catcher idea is short lived

Position players: Longoria, Bartlett, Brignac, Rodriguez, Pena, Crawford, Upton, Zobrist, Shoppach, Jaso

The other three come from, Aybar, Kapler, Navarro, Joyce and Blalock

by sternfan1 on Jun 6, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Out of those 4, where would Kapler rank in terms of hitting lefties?

Because that is what we need. It isn’t just about who is the best player, or who has the brightest future. It is all about putting together a team. We need to hit lefties.

Go Gators!!

by matthan on Jun 6, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

It essentially comes down to Joyce vs Srod vs Kapler vs lhp. Not only is Kapler expected to hit mlb lefties the best, but the others have options allowing for smoother contingencies

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by FreeZorilla on Jun 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's really "mashing LHP" at 239/299/300, he's actually hitting RHP better

I suggest we wait, for that three week period where he gets hot and pads his entire season’s stats

by sternfan1 on Jun 6, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and btw Sean Rodriguez v LHP?

345/367/483

Let’s send him down for more seasoning

by sternfan1 on Jun 6, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see why Joyce would be with the big club at this point

I mean isn’t he still having trouble throwing? What would he really offer? I’m expecting him to be Srod from the other side. But we don’t need to hit righties….I’d take everyone at the big club now over Joyce as well as Dan Jo. And honestly I’d rate Joyce far below all of them right now. Joyce has a bright future, but I’d rather take young righty bats and experienced lefty bats ahead of Joyce.

Go Gators!!

by matthan on Jun 6, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I may agree

Joyce or SRod, but SRods versatility may win out with the current construction.

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by FreeZorilla on Jun 6, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

goodbye...

Navi… everything else stays the same. I’m doubting we see Joyce in the majors this year.

by Jeffrey Borbas on Jun 7, 2010 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You hit it on the head.

Zob is the best man for the lead off spot and Kapler might have a hate club on his back but IMO has shown he belongs in the line up.

Angel Hernandez has his panties in a wad

by Paul Roberts on Jun 6, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Jaso 5 RBI's from the leadoff spot.

Case closed.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jun 6, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Kapler...

I just don’t see his place on this team. He is a lefty specialist who isn’t hitting lefties… Zo + SRod + Bartlett = no place for Kapler.

by Jeffrey Borbas on Jun 7, 2010 5:33 AM EDT reply actions  

i agree completely...

Kapler is old and getting older and it appears his age has caught up with him just like it has to Burrell IMO. so what if Kapler mashed LHP last year. he isnt getting it done this year and is dead weight other than what he adds in intangibles (coach/experience stuff). I agree with the above poster – what are we waiting on that streak of 5 games where he hits 4 HRs and pads his stats for the entire year? i would rather see SRod out there all day every day

it should be easy to find a player to match Kapler’s skills (there are a lot of right hand bats out there that kill LHP). its time to get rid of Kapler and Navi. this is probably a stupid question but do either of them have ANY trade value to ANY team (and ANY team in MLB – not local softball beer leagues)

by Boss Hog Ray Zorback on Jun 7, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just so it's clear, FreeZoe has a hidden agenda in supporting Kapler.

(Both are nearing the end of their careers hoping for one last shot at a ring)

Are you saying he should become fashionable or elitist or snarky or condescending? Is he supposed to adopt logical fallacies as his core technique of debate? Is he supposed to bleat religious proclamations and claim they are "proved" by statistics when they aren’t?

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 7, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

i feel like the reason that zobrist hasnt

claimed the leadoff spot for good is that Maddon is trying to find some sort of protection for Longo. now that Shoppach is back, maybe we can put zobrist at leadoff fulltime. Shopp kills LHP and would be decent protection against LHP. Then against RHP, maybe put Jaso in the four hole until Pena gets his stroke back starts hitting like the old Los (“gets his stroke back” just didnt sound right)

by Boss Hog Ray Zorback on Jun 7, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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