Rays Offense Comes Alive In 9-4 Victory Over Sox
That felt good. I've almost forgotten what writing about a victory is like. Coming off a disappointing home stand, anything less than a split of the two game series in Boston would have sent Rays' fans running toward the Skyway. Luckily, that's exactly what the Rays did. If the team was going to split the series then losing the first game and winning the second would be how I'd want it. It just doesn't feel good to lose the last game of a series. Luckily a strong pitching performance and some timely hitting (that's not a typo) prevented that.
The pitching was lead by Matt Garza, who went seven innings allowing three runs on six hits while striking out five. This was Garza's second consecutive strong outing after his 1.1IP, 7ER performance in Miami. He was overly reliant on his fastball tonight, throwing it 89 times out of his 110 pitches. This reliance on the fastball caused Garza to register only three ground ball outs while getting 14 of the fly ball variety. He's probably lucky at least one of them didn't leave the park. But right now I really don't care how the Rays do it, just as long as they pick up the win.
To everyone's surprise, the offensive actually came to life. Every starter besides Carl Crawford picked up at least one hit, with Matt Joyce being the star of the show. The right fielder reached base in all five of his plate appearances, drawing two walks, and smacking a double off the wall in center field. If Joyce can hit like he's capable of, the Rays offense would basically have "acquired" a very strong bat for nothing. While Joyce was 5-5, it was the bottom of the Rays order than realy produced the runs tonight. Sean Rodriguez, Kelly Shoppach, and Jason Bartlett went a combined 4-12 with 7 RBI and two extra base hits, one of them being a three run home run by Jason Bartlett off of a right handed pitcher. That may be the most improbable thing to happen to the Rays in months.
As well as things ended up going, the beginning of the night didn't start out so hot. The Rays loaded the bases in the first inning and failed to score, and then had a man on second with no outs and came away empty. The same feeling that has inhabited our bodies for the past month when the Rays have had RISP began settling in, that is until Kelly Shoppach's 4th inning double. Thank goodness, I couldn't take another night of constant blue-balling by the offense.
-I don't know how, but even after their terrible June the Rays have the best run differential in baseball at +94. They're the only team to give up less than 300 runs (h/t Jason Collette)
-The Rays were 19-22 with Hank Blalock on the roster. They're not 26-10 without him. Coincidence? Well, maybe. But still!
-Bartlett's previous 21 home runs had been solo shots.
-He may get tagged as "lazy", but you really do appreciate the defense of B.J. Upton when you see someone else playing center field. Ben Zobrist didn't miss any plays tonight, but he sure did make a few balls far more interesting than they should have been.
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Started the night out 0-6 with RISP
I was worried again from the start, but I’m glad the offense came around later on and tacked on some insurance runs towards the end of the game. I did notice a lot of fastballs by Garza tonight, but I didn’t realize it made up greater than 80% of his pitches. Glad he was able to put together a decent start nonetheless.
Up until Shoppach's Double
The team was 0-7 with RISP then they went 5-9 & scored 9R in 3IP.
Amazing how hitting with RISP helps.
PIZZA?!?
Where's that fanpost with RISP numbers?
You had me intrigued in the GDT.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 1, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Coo' beans.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 1, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody else notice Jaso standing off the plate more?
Don’t think I noticed this in the last game… anybody have any news on that? (like what they are trying to accomplish/when this was decided)
Looked good at the plate though, and it didn’t seem to affect his plate discipline.
Maybe he is trying to not get busted inside as much
pitchers seem to like to come inside which forces him into pop-ups or grounders
PIZZA?!?
results based analysis aside
not trying to be all negative on a positive night, but what in the heck was Shoppach bunting for in the 8th and than why let Bartlett hit instead of bringing in Aybar or Brignac?? JB was 0-3 and has been horrible all year at the plate. Sure it is going to look nice because he hit the homerun but, how many outs does he have to make to hit that 1 homerun.
SSS
But Shoppach has been horrific vs RHP this season. 18 AB, 11 strikeouts, .196 OPS. Career-wise, he has been terrible vs RHP. I would have supported the move if Brignac was hitting behind him as Bartlett has also had his problems vs RHP but the end result worked out well for the club.
by Jason Collette on Jul 1, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Rays have scored 14 runs since Rafael Soriano threw all the bats on the dugout floor
Just sayin Team MVP.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 1, 2010 8:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
In the opening series at Fenway, in the 6th-ish inning, Soriano took all the bats off the bat rack and put them in a pile on the floor... he did this twice.
Since then the Rays have scored 14 runs.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Did he throw them or put them on the floor? This is very important.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw him slam the last one, what he did with the others I can not say. O.o
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Hmm, it's possible that the others were placed down there, and he slammed the last one. This could be some sort of ceremony that marries the bats to each other, thus creating team unity.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree that Matt Joyce was acquired for basically "nothing"
That “nothing” still has a share of the teams’ season record for pitching wins and recently threw a no-hitter against somebody (or so I have heard… ). I see the point, just want to bust some balls.
Also disgree that Zobrist made some CF plays “more interesting” than they should be – I think it’s really a case that Upton usually makes those plays look easier than they really are. Again just busting balls – I understand the point.
I’m hard pressed to recall the last game the team seemed to play that well, but it was nerve wracking until the 6 run 8th inning, and even then I was a bit nervous when the Sox scored 3 in the bottom half. I was a little surprised Garza was out there to start the 8th…
He's talking about an extra bat coming in towards the middle of this year (because of the injury). I think it's well established by this point that the EJax trade was a disaster.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I see this ending badly...
He’s improved light years from how he was with the Rays, but that doesn’t mean the trade was a disaster. Who replaced him in the rotation? Niemann, right?
2009
Jackson – 3.5 WAR
Niemann – 3.2 WAR
2010
Jackson – 1.6 WAR
Niemann – 1.1 WAR
So we’ve had an ever so slight drop off in pitching, a lower payroll, and we have a nice new bat to add to the lineup now. It’s not that I hate EJ – he’s turned into a fine pitcher – but someone had to go at that point…the trade made sense at the time.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 1, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Which one of those stats accounts for EJax's no-hit stuff?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no sabr stat from my knowledge that accounts for grit and determination.
Which is why we need to be careful with all of the calculator baseball we have going on here.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Laugh all you want, but Niemann hasn't done it
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I really want to know what those numbers look like prior to Jackson's no-hitter. I have no idea how the hell he's half-a-win better then Niemann.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Its tough to argue for not trading Edwin
The only argument is whether it was the right offer or not.
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I don't think that's true. It was a choice between trading E-Jax and Sonny. We made the wrong one imo.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe... maybe not...
What would we have gotten for Sonny though? My guess is teams would’ve been more willing to give up better players for Jackson than Sonny because of a higher ceiling. This entire conversation is purely speculation at this point though. It will be impossible to tell if we should have traded Sonny or E-Jax because we will never know what Sonny would’ve yielded us in terms of prospects.
Yeah, I'm thinking the offers for Sonny would've been worse.
You don’t get as much for a right handed finesse pitcher as you do a right handed fireballer.
We need to stop this comparison now. There's no way of knowing if anybody even wanted Sonny. We shouldn't be speculating what-ifs.
I’m not trying to be mean, but dumb people keep making this comparison, and you clearly aren’t dumb.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Sonny is the man we should have offered him for Pujolz
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 1, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If it was Sonny with the beard then the Cards would've done it in a heartbeat
Sonny without the beard—then I’m not convinced we come away with Pujols.
I was trying to elude to this point in my last couple of sentences
In short—we will never know. It’s moot now.
I'm not it's claiming it's anything other than speculation.
I just pointed out that generally a right handed finesse pitcher has less value. Especially when the command isn’t amazing. Just an observation.
E-Jax, or Hammel, or Sonny
Ideally, we would have made the E-Jax trade and then traded Sonny instead of Hammel.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
But it's all hindsight anyway
At the time, Sonny was the best of the three.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
This is exactly the case FreeZo
Pitchers had to go. We’ve had severe depth over the past few years and we’ve made moves accordingly. EJax traded, Talbot traded, Sonny bullpen, Kazmir traded etc. And we must make another move to make room for Hellickson (or trade him). And then we have even more guys in the pipeline.
Trades and moves must be made due to our SP depth.
The question then becomes whether we get the best value. And there are lots of factors. Replacement, salary, market value, timing, etc.
In the end I believe we could have gotten something better for Jackson. Just my .02 cents. I think we should have traded Kazmir a bit late. We got tremendous talent back for Kaz though. Either way only time will tell.
The most important thing is what we do about our excess depth right now. Who do we trade and when do we trade them? Who has the highest MV versus their true talent? These are the questions the front office needs to get right.
Go Gators!!
Garza to the highest bidder.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 1, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, if we trade a pitcher Garza should be the next to go
As much as I like him and how good he’s been for us, he will be the most expensive I believe? And I don’t know how I could resolve us trading Shields on a personal level, he’s just too much of a Ray. Sorry, this is my non-sabr, non-iv’ry tower opinion. Also, we have nice control over Niemann, WD-40, and Hellboy, though I wouldn’t mind so much if we could get CLee for Davis.
Unfortunately, though I agree with you, the fanbase would be outraged
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 1, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We shouldn't use pythag. to claim a team should or shouldn't have a certain number of wins.
That’s not common knowledge, though, and lots of people do it, so no worries. But if you’re interested, read this.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 1, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don't like that stat
You know how teams getting blown out will leave a pitcher in to just get killed? It really skews that stat. A team could be down by 7 runs, and not want to burn up any decent reliever so they leave the pitcher in and end up losing by 10 runs. That’s not really indicative of … well, anything really.
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
Look at run differential at the end of the season
Normally the teams at the top are the teams in the playoffs.
the Blalock/Burrell effect
Rays were winning with Pat the Bat, as the Giants are now and the Phils did, maybe he is a good luck charm
What?
The Rays made it to the series without Pat.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
But lost to a team WITH him
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point. We should have never let him go.
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Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
QED SON
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
We really should have been hitting The Heater and talked (trolled) about how awful the team had been since his exodus and how good he's been, and pretend like it was relevant.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Deumig has that taken care of
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
It pains me when Dan Sileo says something I agree with.
It pains me more to see him downright come down on my side. He was laying pretty good into the overreaction towards Upton this morning.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
*listens to AM radio*
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
You have an alternative suggestion? The radio in this area is horrifying.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
XM
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 1, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
They must pay for their Blubba the Lard Sponge mistake.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Ipod? Compact Disc?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a bit short on new music to listen too.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
www.Pandora.com
It’s beautiful.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Hey Pandora, I like Justice. Play songs like Justice
Pandora: OK, here’s the training montage theme from Rocky 4.
deletes Pandora
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Downvote, try again.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Also have the problem of not having the ability to wirelessly connect my phone to the stereo.
It has a similar resolution to the before-mentioned stereo issue, but requires an extra part.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Podcast.com/findsome/they'refree
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I'll stick with my AM radio and spend my IQ points. After all
I CAN’T TAKE THEM WITH ME
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
The mistake I made was buying the 04 TSX model. It does not have an AUX for me to run my ipod.
OOPS!
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 1, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
My 325 doesn't have it either, it's an 02.
I’m working on getting this resolved though.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
How? Is it costly?
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 1, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I need to check my stereo
There were 2 stock model stereos that were used for my generation of car, and both fit. One has an aux input, one doesn’t. Mine is the one that doesn’t.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
*I think. If it does have it, I'll have to run wires to my center console.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Huh
I’ll have to see if the Acura’s used the same stereos on their 04 & 05 models.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 1, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It's like $90 to buy a face plate with Aux imput
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 1, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Your IQ goes down every time you listen to him.
If I am commenting you need to hear it. Not really. www.theraysrepublic.com
I know. It's a good thing I have about seven or eight hundred points to spare.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
BOOM.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 1, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen the fantastic error he made yesterday (or the day before?) in LF?
It was awesome.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 1, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea how to track something like that down.
I IS INTERWEBZ RUHTARDED
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 1, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I am just being BJ (lazy)
If I am commenting you need to hear it. Not really. www.theraysrepublic.com
It was defs .gif material.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 1, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It's up there with Ibanez.
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 1, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes it was.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9515743
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hahahaha
Bad read, poor glovework, and a terrible throw all in the same play by PtB. Awesome.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Like I said
.gif material
Therefore, I should be ignored completely, because I’m a blithering idiot.
When John Jaso strikes out twice in a game, he becomes Kohn Kaso, which is Spanish for "with cheese."
by kericr on Jun 1, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 1, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice, Vin Scully is the man
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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