Shields, Rays Lose to Indians 9-3
I know I should be disappointed right now - the Rays just lost a game they had a pitching advantage, and lost ground to the Red Sox - but for some reason I can't muster the emotion. This day has left me emotionally drained from the constant trade drama; I've spent the entire day on a roller coaster ride, going from feeling disappointed-but-hopeful to depressed to ecstatic and now...I'm spent. It was a heck of a ride today and although Cliff Lee didn't end up on the Rays, I'm okay with it. We still have all our prospects and there are many other players out there the Rays can target; it's a long month. I'm exceptionally happy that Lee isn't a Yankee, though, even if that's only because I enjoy the thought of them not getting their every desire every now and then.
Anyway, on to the game. This game was a lot closer than the final score makes it look - up until the eighth inning, the score was 4-2 and the Rays had a realistic chance of making a comeback. James Shields had one of those weird good process, bad results starts that leaves me feeling confused. Should I be disappointed in his start, considering he let up four earned runs (including two homeruns) in only six and a third innings? Or should I be pleased, since Shields had good command of the zone and made the Indians look foolish at times, striking out nine batters, walking only one, and generating a 15.1% (!!) swinging strike percentage? Shields's change-up and cutter (or what Brooks Baseball classifies as his cutter) were very effective last night, generating over 30% swinging strikes each. Shields had his A stuff, but somehow that didn't translate into a lower amount of runs scored. What gives?
To answer that question briefly: righties, homeruns, and fatigue. All six of the hits off of Shields last night were hit by right-handed batters, demonstrating how the Danks Theory can be used against the Rays to our disadvantage. For those that don't remember, the Danks Theory is the name we've given to one of Maddon's ideas. In short, change-ups are one of the few pitches to have an extreme platoon split, with them being more effective against batters of the same hand as the pitcher. Therefore, if a pitcher has an excellent change-up, stock the line-up with same handed batters to take away their most effective pitch. Considering how bad Shields's fastball has been this year, if he doesn't have that change-up, he could be in trouble.
Also, for all the flak that Wade Davis got during the first two innings last night - gah, he lets up waaay too many homeruns! - James Shields has actually let up more home runs this season: 19 to 18. Shields has thrown more innings than Davis, but their homerun per flyball rates are both very similar: 13.5% (pre-last night Shields) to 13.7% (Davis). While we don't have much historical data to look at for Davis, Shields has never had a homerun rate that high since his first year in the league. And considering that Shields is striking out more batters than ever before while still letting up a minuscule amount of walks, I can't help but believe his homerun rate will drop as the season progresses. He's a better pitcher than his ERA indicates, by far.
And finally, Shields seems to hit a wall once he hits 100 pitches. My hypothesis is that since his fastball is mediocre at best anyway, once it looses some zip late in the game, Shields is toast and can't use his change-up as effectively. I don't have any evidence to back myself up - that's merely a hunch, so feel free to try and prove me wrong. After finishing the sixth inning with 100 pitches, Maddon put Shields back out there to start the seventh last night and what happened? Lead-off home run by Shelly Duncan. Anecdotal evidence at its best.
Other Notes:
- Carlos Pena, showing some life! Los went 2-4 with an RBI single in the third and a solo homerun in the ninth. And even better, both of those hits went to centerfield - not rightfield! Keep getting those balls in the air, Pena, and good things will keep happening.
- I don't want to talk about the bullpen implosion. They've been so good for the vast majority of this season, so I'm willing to forgive them this game.
- 1 for 8 with runners in scoring position. Sigh.
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Wade Davis getting flak because of the long ball more so than Yields (yes that's my new name for him)
you won’t hear it from this poster
I'll say it over and over and over again
this team just does not hit, rarely puts pressure on even the most mundane SP, rarely grinds out an AB
Are we just a bunch of average to below average hitters or can this be fixed
Considering the amount of walks we get, you can hardly say we rarely grind out ABs
Bringing the base runners around to score has been a problem though, for sure.
Yel
The problem isn’t the approach and certainly not walks and OBP. The problem is we are weak when the ball actually hits the bat
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by matthan on Jul 10, 2010 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ben Zobrist is a big part of that problem
He had one good power month at the plate(May) and has been well awful every other month. His power number are not what this team was counting on
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we are a bad team and should give up.
I hate being 2nd in the ALE. Especially after winning 6 straight.
Definitely not overreacting to one loss. We just won the previous 6 games
And ultimately players need to execute. That said, I’m a little disappointed in the way Maddon went at this game. I’m not putting the loss on him, but his main job is to put his players in a position to be successful.
We’ve seen it countless times since last season; a pitcher completes the sixth or seventh inning and seems to be done. He’s usually between 100-110 pitches. It would seem like the opportune time to go to the pen and start the next inning with a fresh arm and a clean slate. However, the starter comes back out and gives up a run, or a hit, or walk, and then Maddon goes to the pen putting his reliever at a disadvantage and leaving the starter with a negative result in mind. This doesn’t happen every time, but it happens more than necessary.
Historically, Shields has cinderella syndrome after 100 pitches. Again, not every time, but as he passes the century mark he turns from prince into a pumpkin. I’m not advocating a 100 pitch mark for all, but you have to know your limits with some and for Shields its almost right at 100.
It definitely wasn’t the reason we lost; 3 runs isn’t going to get you many wins, but with a rested bullpen (Balfour, Benoit, Soriano all rested) the game situation didn’t call for Shields to go back out there in a 2 run game after tossing 100.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 10, 2010 7:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Also as Steve noted...
We entered the eighth inning down just 4-2. Yet, one of our best non closing relivers (either Benoit or Balfour) was not used. I love Sonny, and he has been good in his new role, but Benoit or Balfour gives you the best chance of holding the game at two runs there. I know we have to be aware of usage (see Howell, J.P.), but neither pitcher was used the day before and both will get a nice rest at the ASB.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 10, 2010 8:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Glad to see you post this Tommy. I couldn't agree more
How many late inning. ywo run games has Sonny been in all year? Also Maddon has this thing about giving players not one, but two days off and both Benoit and Soriano had been rested two nights. Over the last 7 games we’re 6=1 and have lost ground to the NYY, but Maddon finds no sense of urgency
Sonny came in and did awesome against the Marlins on vuvuzela night (since you asked)
But you guys are right, he is one of the last guys that should be used in a close game when our best relievers are available. Also I agree, Shields should’ve stayed out after the 6th.
Steve, Shields IS getting a lot of
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by matthan on Jul 10, 2010 8:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Damn iphone
Shields isgetting tons of flak. The public and media has him firmly as our #4 pitcher. When people made mock playoff rotations he was the guy being pushed to the pen fulltime if we got Lee and now the guy that may get the occassionalbut rare #4 man start.
Now I disagree, and I just acquired him in nearly all fantasy leagues. And of course draysbay will disagree, but the stock of Shields has dropped dramatically
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by matthan on Jul 10, 2010 8:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shields is still my game #1 playoff starter.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 10, 2010 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe for your high school team, ...
Shields is no #1 on any MLB staff at the time. When was his last clutch performance?
He stomps around like the leader of the staff but when he pitches, it has been anlother story.
thank you for this insight
I now see that Jeff Niemann is a better game 1 starter, or Price, or Garza even.
He wouldn't be mine if the playoffs started next week
Price has been the best pitcher on the staff this year so I start him
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And the Bullpen didn't implode
Andy Sonnanstine, our last man out of the pen imploded.
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by matthan on Jul 10, 2010 8:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maddon threw in the towel and why?
They’d already used their best reliever (C. Perez) and Raffy Perez had pitched the last two nights. They’d have been forced to mix and match the 8th with guys like Sipp, Hermann and Smith, who all pretty much suck
Andys performance lately must have made him forget the bullpen order and roles
All we want Sonny to be is the best player in the league at his role, the last man out of the pen. Those players generally suck, so we should feel fortunante for moments of nonsuck. Point being is Sonny will have nights like this, more than most, it’s to be expected and it isn’t his fault. It is who he is. He is great at his role, and he needs to stay in that role.
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by matthan on Jul 10, 2010 9:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn't Cormier our "last man out of the pen?"
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 10, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He was ahead of Sonny at the beginning of the year
but I think he has secured the coveted “worst bullpen member” slot for awhile now
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http://twitter.com/jasoncollette/status/16590980428
Good process, bad results?
This is a beat up Indians squad we’re talking about. You want to argue David Price is using a good process, fine. But this is Shields—who is not using his pitch arsenal to his advantage. The past few starts, he’s tried to ride his fastball as if he were Price. Last night he was better, but good process? Hardly.
Like the homerun to Nix
He had just pitched a first pitch fastball to the previous 2 hitters. He elevates one to Nix, and Nix jumps on it. Just bad pitch selection right there.
Jayson Nix has more HRs this week...
than reigning AL MVP Joe Mauer has all season. Unreal
by Jason Collette on Jul 10, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
PUTTING MEN ON BASE IS REALLY SMART
especially really bad hitters (yes, who hit a home run off shields, cool comeback bro)
I don't feel as neutral about the Lee trade I guess. I wish they had waited a day so he couldn't have pitched last night.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 10, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
Also, this
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 10, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions
Comment and a question
How can i find number of pitches seen by player, team?
Z-man did a post/thread on how the Rays performed with the count 3 and 2, i wondered if we could see that again and how that compares to the rest of the AL
Briggy looked great a SS....
Made 2 play JB would have had zero shot at. Wish he could get shake the slump at the plate.
Yes, its a slump
Just as early season he was hitting way over his head. He should be about league average vs RHP.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 10, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Some stats from FG on Mr. Yields
Past three seasons AL
HR allowed 81 (2)
Hits allowed 668 (2)
BAA 272 (6)
that we should be extremely worried that our team gives up the
26th most runs in baseball, that is clearly not a recipe for success, or wait is being in the top 5 in runs allowed a good thing? I’m confused. Not saying that giving up HR’s is good, but there is more to baseball than the long ball.
some stats from Major League Baseball
52-34, a .605 winning %
that is the 2nd best record in all of baseball and guess who holds that record
Are you attempting to upset me because LBJ is now a Heat?
I certainly hope not. I’m not a NBA fan at all, hope the league folds, but if i do root at all it’d be for the Magic. I hate LeBron and laugh at my CLE friends who are weeping his departure
While you could argue maybe Crawford is playing over his head
and maybe Jaso. It wouldn’t be outlandish to think that we could get improved production (via regression or trade) out of RF, SS, CF, 1B, DH and than Shields, #5 starter in the 2nd half of the season. People are freaking out (not everyone, especially on here but “heater” fans) and this team is already on pace to win over 100 games. If guys like Upton, Pena, Longoria, Shields get hot or we can add a bat like a Adam Dunn or Corey Hart to replace a hole in the Line-up (RF or DH) than we should be well on our way to not only 100 wins but a playoff spot in which once your in anything can happen. This is the age of the Wild Card, we need to stop looking at the Yankees and trying to say well we aren’t as good as them so we must suck and worry about just getting into the playoffs.
Hey Steve I think you made one mistake
In short, change-ups are one of the few pitches to have an extreme platoon split, with them being more effective against batters of the same hand as the pitcher. Therefore, if a pitcher has an excellent change-up, stock the line-up with same handed batters to take away their most effective pitch.
I think you mean that the changeup has the least platoon split, and is very effective against opposite handed hitters. Thus, you stock your lineup with same handed hitters to try and neutralize this advantage.





















