Report: Rays "appear to be getting serious" About Corey Hart
by Tommy Rancel on Jul 11, 2010 10:17 PM EDT
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#Rays appear to be getting serious about #Brewers' Corey Hart. TB has pitching to trade with Futures starter Jeremy Hellickson ready.
You can take "appear to be serious" as you may, but color me intrigued. Some will see this report and take it as Hart for Hellickson, but I don't think that is what Mr. Rogers (pun indented) means. It means that because of Hellickson's readiness, the Rays have a number of options - namely, pitching options - to choose from in their pursuit of a bat. As for Hart, he is definitely is a good player, and one we covered in our Trade Handbook.
10. Corey Hart - OF
- Rest of Season Salary: $2.4M
- Rest of Season Projection:.353 wOBA, 7.3 wRAA (~0.7 offensive WAR)
- Contract Status: Eligible for final year of arbitration after 2010 season.
- Notes:This isn't a perfect fit, but bear with me here. Hart is a good offensive player that is having a power surge this season (17 HRs already) and is suffering from some bad luck with balls in play (.259 BABIP). He's a player built in the mold that the Rays like - fast, aggressive, good command of the zone - and he's relatively cheap this season and would provide the Rays with OF/DH depth over the next two seasons. However, it does seem silly to be acquiring another outfielder when we already have Joyce and Jennings waiting for roster spots, and Hart is not a great defender (career -11.3 UZR in the outfield). I see him as a back-up plan if nothing else works out.
Since the handbook went live, Hart has hit three more home runs giving him 20 on the season. His BABIP has also rebounded in recent weeks. After posting BABIPs of .368 in June and .414 so far in July, his 2010 number now sits at .312 - or right in the neighborhood of his .307 career BABIP. With a slash line of .289/.351/.565 and a .389 wOBA, his value may be at it's highest point.
The danger in acquiring a player who is possibly at, or nearing, his peak is falling into the the trap of giving up too much. In their current standing, the Rays are in position to overpay for talent, but not by much. Perhaps the difference between winning 95 games and 96 games will never be more important than it is in 2010. While I am okay with giving up something valuable for Hart's services, I am also wary of falling for the allure. I'm pretty sure Andrew Friedman is as well.
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Hints at giving up Wade Davis
Him + B + C prospects would be the most I would do.
Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt.
Just saw that Hart went walk-off yard today giving him 21 homers
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 11, 2010 10:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What are the Brewers looking for?
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I'd prefer Willingham..
I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?
I don't see how this could be bad
I doubt we’re going to give up too much. Wade Davis and a couple of average farmhands for an upgrade over our DH/3rd OF when BJ sits and Zorilla plays infield can’t hurt. I doubt we’re going to sell the farm for the kid.
by Wade Davis, Pride of Lake Wales on Jul 11, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
That would be the worst thing we could do
by Erik Hahmann on Jul 11, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what promise you hold in Yields moving forward
a pedestrian 22-90 mph FB, and a CH that no longer surprises AL hitters. Also throws a cutter way too much and they mash it for HRs
Stop failing
His CH is still untouchable
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What does that have to do with his CH
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by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
who cares? his results suck
his FIP is decent because he K/BB ratio is good, but everything else sucks—look at his LD%
Liriano's results suck too
I guess he should be traded
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Boom, headshot
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, but this is rather out there even for you.
So we should expect his .342 BABIP, 68% LOB%, and 14.3% HR/FB rate to continue? All three of those are unsustainable and point to bad luck.
You’d rather have the pitcher that is striking out 5.9 per nine and walking 4 than the one that is striking out 8.4 per nine and walking 2?
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 11, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If Shields & Haren started against each other
The universe would explode from all that regression
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The HR/FB thing is way too small of a sample size. One more or less homer at this point makes quite a big difference in the ratio
But yeah, it is a stupid argument. Shields > Wade 7 days a week and twice on Sundays.
Go Gators!!
He does
Haven’t you realized this fact?
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The same change up that gets a whiff 24% of the time?
That change up?
Ahhhhh the facts, they burn my eyes.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 11, 2010 10:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea, trade a really good pitcher who is locked up through his prime years.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 11, 2010 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not willing to define Shields by a half season
Rather the previous three full years in which he was worth ~4 WAR and more that 200 innings pitching in the American League East..
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 11, 2010 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i posted yesterday how the last three seasons
he’s allowed 81 HR, 2nd in the AL, combo that with the 6th highest BAA and that’s a recipe for disaster
He pitches a shitload of innings
How about you look at HR/9 instead
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 11, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
just look at the xFIPs and FIPs of the two pitchers
also shields has a 68% strand rate with .342 BABIP while davis has 79% strand rate and .270 BABIP
by BrendanHarrisLives on Jul 11, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line is that he's been ridic. unlucky this year. He's not an ace, but he's a cost controlled 2-3 starter who is very good, and that's worth more than Davis' potential, imo anyway.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
TGN--i'm hearing this 'cost controlled' term way too much
in the end having too many ‘cost controlled’ or ‘cheap’ players will turn us into the Indians
LETS BE THE CUBS/METS
MONIES FOR EVERYONE!
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you new to this team all of a sudden? That's just how this FO rolls man.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
As fans we tailor our expectations to that. If we were Yankee fans we'd probably be trying to get Prince for Montero or w/e just to be our DH.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i understand our plight, but players aren't stupid
they understand if they perform, they’ll get the big $$$$
It's not like this is the last contract Shields is ever going to have...
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Order of the starters doesn't matter. I'm not sure that anyone here thinks he's our best starter, but he's probably our 2nd or 3rd best, and certainly better than Davis
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahaha really?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
duh, everyone knows that's how you define a good or bad pither
I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?
Shields has 4 years of track record, Davis has 4 months (and those are mostly shit)
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Same story
Davis with better ERA over last month, but with much luckier peripherals. Shields has stranded something like 50% of batters over the last month and has a 15% HR/FB.
Do you really want to make a decision on who to trade based on ERA over the last month?
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 11, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
TGN, i'll ask you this, how confident are you
we’ll come out on top with Shields on the hill Friday at the Stadium?
More confident than I would be if we had Davis going
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
95 mph FB is very nice, but its not as good a pitch as Shields change
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess we'll agree to disagree
i have little confidence in Shields moving forward, besides HS is back on the air live tomorrow at 6 AM—so g’night
Arrivederci
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta drill it into his head, FB bad
Off-speed good, and to throw less 1st pitch FBs for strikes
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a fact. But that's a shitload easier to correct than anything else
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe so.
I’m definitely not as high on Shields as I have been in the past, but I hope he corrects the ship.
He seems frustrated out there—maybe the break will be all he needs.
He's on pace to strike out over 200 batters
That’s at least a good positive sign, and his LD% is the same as some good pitchers like Lincecum
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what was so weird about his last start.
It was like he was in complete control… half the time.
When he spammed the CH
He just ripped through CLE
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
INTERNETS REQUIRES NO AMERIKAN
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by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been preaching about Corey Hart for YEARS
So this would be a dream. Of course it just suck the Rays would decide to acquire him at his absolute peak performance. Better late than never
Go Gators!!
Doubt this is gonan get done
Hart does not strike me as a guy the Brewers are gonna value for his true talent
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you know I believe there has been a poster who keeps bringing Hart's name up
not sure who it is though :)….. I would absolutely love Hart and think he is a great fit. Davis + Colome and maybe a lower prospect (can we take advantage of a nice little year by Wrigley).
if we can give up less I would definately do it
but I don’t think we should shy away from a deal over a guy like Colome.
That trade should have been doing years ago
Christ it they should have found a way to do it with Edwin
Go Gators!!
Hart's mashing, but he's overperforming a bit. I'm with Raysrule on Davis + a fringer or 2 at the most.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
I'd take whatever you're willing to give for DeJesus and add someone Kang level to it
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Hart over DeJesus.
As a matter of fact, I did.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
ARF ARF ARF
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I literally the only person who wouldn't trade Davis for Hart?
He’s had two rather poor seasons and two (well, in the midst of a second one) really good seasons. Some of you rag on Pena and Longoria for running hot and cold, but at the end of the year, their numbers are pretty much there. Here are his wOBA by season:
2006: .328 (256 PA)
2007: .380 (566 PA)
2008: .327 (657 PA)
2009: .331 (472 PA)
2010: .389 (333 PA)
That all comes in the NLC. Adjust that to the ALE and his projected .356 figure drops a bit.
I’m interested in him, sure, but what makes Hart better than Luke Scott other than you’ve heard Hart’s name? And I’m 99% sure Scott isn’t costing us Wade Davis.
To clear a few things up:
1. Rather poor since he’s a corner outfielder without much defensive value who depends on his bat. League average, poor fielding corner outfielders aren’t exactly valuable. (Hence why he’s racked up under 2 WAR in 2008 + 2009 combined).
2. Yes we have a pitching surplus. That doesn’t mean we should sell it off low.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a quibble, but do we really have a pitching surplus?
I thought we were stocked, but not overstocked.
People worry about having six starters for five spots in 2011.
Which is insane because injuries, attrition, and other trades are bound to happen. This is treated like a problem rather than a good thing.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think when the word surplus is tossed around
it refers more to the line after the 6 ready
Torres, Mcgee, Lobstein, Moore,Barnese, Colome, etc…..
you speak with such certainty
He doesn’t have much defensive value? There are also other factors that you left out of your wOBA verdict. What data are you including for vision correction?
Friedman's not going to do that.
He wouldn’t trade Jennings for Lee. He wouldn’t trade Hellickson for Corey Hart.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in an agreement with you
Something about Hart doesn’t sit right with me. Only thing good about him is he’s RHH. But I think this guy might’ve been dropping names-no mention yet on MLBTR
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. He does mash lefties.
He’s also barely above average versus righties for his career. (.335)
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So was Kelly Shoppach and Sean Rodriguez.
It seems like that worked out fine.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 12, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That might be helped by an insane HR/FB% of 18.2
That scares me
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We can't speculate about the opportunity to acquire players that aren't coming up in rumors.
Would I prefer Scott over Hart? Yeah, probably. But this is a Hart rumor post, not a Scott one.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Fine. Willingham.
Point is: you guys want to dump Davis far, far too bad.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
False. Nobody's trying to trade him for a reliver.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
I don't think it is "dumping" Davis.
but if we can improve our offense quite a bit at the expense of Davis we should do it and I don’t think it is much of a stretch to think that whether Hart, Willingham, or Scott it would be a nice upgrade over RF or DH, whichever spot they would fill. If we can get a deal done for one of these guys without having to give up Davis (or a top prospect) I think everyone would rather that
I don't think Hart is much an upgrade
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of Willingham
Not much I’d trade for-I don’t see Werth/Dunn being attainable-Fielder is obviously a no-go.
Scott is good, but I’d rather just run Joyce out there 99% of the time
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you really just quote 50 PA worth of OPS?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Career MLB #
Joyce: .345 wOBA
Hart: .348 wOBA
And yes, I’m well aware Hart has far more PA, I’m not trying to hide that.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Joyce very well may end up being the better player
and at age 28 may be better than Hart. But Hart right now is the better player this season.
You're making this a choice. It's not.
Hart would replace Kapler on the roster. He’s only owed ~$2.2m from here on out.
They can coexist. Joyce plays versus righties, Hart versus lefties, and if we must, he can DH versus righties too.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose, however if they don't view him as a everyday player
I wouldn’t want to give up Davis. You don’t give up a young starter already in the majors for a platoon player.
We shouldn't give up Wade Davis no matter what role they view Corey Hart in.
He’s not worth Wade Davis unless the Rays know something about Davis we don’t that will quickly affect his value.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 12, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless Davis is Kazmir 2.0
Pretty much
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by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It's pretty much humanly impossible to be as bad as Kazmir is right now
His K/BB ratio is about 1
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by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW I don't think he will keep that up
we all know he is better than that. However for an all in season, I’d rather go with a guy who is already in his prime and may be having what is going to be his best season of his career. Than have a guy out there because he may be the future.
BLALOCK'D
This doesn’t make sense as a DFA. Unless something’s going on with Kapler that we don’t know about, he’s a better player than Ruggiano. I fail to see how this swap does anything but weaken us.
If is a DFA, good luck to him indeed, and Hank Blalock should start packing his bags. Burrell and Kapler both got about 100 PA, Blalock shouldn’t get 75.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 12, 2010 11:38 AM PDT reply actions
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Yes. Matt Joyce and Hank Blalock are exactly alike.
Oh wait, they aren’t at all.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 12, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Strictly the facts ma'am...
Joyce wOBA= .322
Joyce BABIP= .178
Blalock wOBA= .298
bBalock BABIP= .319
I was merely trolling
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 12, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is Fielder obviously a no-go?
No other contending team needs a 1B (except Texas, who already made their big trade).
Literally every other team has a very good 1B, and that might lower Prince’s price
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 11, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Scott Boras & all his problems
Plus Brewers would probably want too much
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 11, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Scott Boras has nothing to do with trades
And the Brewers are out of contention this year and next and know it, but they’re running out of partners quickly
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 12, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
teams don't like to deal with Boras, always a negative
no matter how irrelevant
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they aren't as smart as you
but i don’t think they think that they have no chance to compete next year with or without Fielder.
not speaking about the future, just this season
but I don’t see how you could say Hart wouldn’t be an upgrade over Joyce, not too mention the cluster at DH
If we get Hart, Joyce better keep starting versus RHP.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd imagine to 2nd, bumping S-Rod out of everyday play.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
would you start JB over Hart, Zobrist, or Rodriguez
maybe they start him over Reid against RHP, but I still won’t get that. For what it is worth I think they should trade Bartlett, the Padres would be a great fit.
Yes, I'd start JB over SRod
The intersection of the Bartlett haters and SRod lovers is a really great place for people-watching. It’s like Haight-Ashbury in the 60’s….
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jul 12, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a true glue player.
He drives you to sniff it before you drive him to the factory.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 11, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They're not going to bench Bartlett.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
not too mention they could start giving Zobrist more PT in CF
and rest BJ if they don’t want to bench Bartlett
TALENT JAM
Zobrist in CF is a new adventure each & everyday
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It's like you're driving me to a cliff.
So not only does Bartlett get playing time (despite being replacement level to date) but at the cost of Upton. Awesome. I hate life.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 12, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I would never bench Upton for Bartlett
1. I love Upton
2. I hate (maybe not hate but don’t think he should ever play) Bartlett.
unfortunately Joe Maddon seems to absolutely love Bartlett
JB should get SOME PT
just not the level he gets, like vs LHP-that’s good time to give him, due for major regression
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
HELLS YEAH RJ ON BORED! PULL THE TRIGGER FREEDMAN
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
He will be fine next year, I don't doubt that.
But the team still needs a bat.
I’d prefer to find a way to move Bartlett and Aybar to get that bat, but Davis is expendable.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
We'll know more post-ASB
Like when the O’s realize they’re out of it
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
My order of desire
Dunn, Scott, Willingham, Hart
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Willingham, Dunn, Scott, Hart for me
Willingham is like Jason Bay circa 2008
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by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Willingham's wOBA has been .360+ 4yrs straight
Hart has been all over the place
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by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is a more detailed comp
Willingham: wOBA: .364, .365, .363, .373, .405
Hart-.328, .380, .327, .331, .389
BB% 11.6% to 6.7% ISO .226 to .201
Has defensive value
HR/FB%-14.3% to 12.4%
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish you would stop acting like Willingham is significantly better then Hart in the field, because he's not.
Hell, if you go by career totals, Hart has a higher defensive WAR, hart has a better total OF UZR, and a higher LF UZR. Hart is statistically the better defender.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Eh, who knows, he plays for the Nats
But, either one is not gonna be trotted out there for the glove
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
This reminds me of when the Marlins wanted Davis for Jeremy Hermida after 2008
Except people are all for this.
I think I am with you on this
Davis is not as bad as he has been and Hart is not as good as he has been. Why trade two players probably heading in the opposite direction eventually?
Davis is no worse off than when ppl were in PRICE FOR CLOSER mode
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Davis having that great debut last year really set the bar too high for this year.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 12, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's been a huge impact
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 12, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He had at least 2
vs DET, BAL
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Check the Fans Projections on FG.
I don’t know what influenced it for sure, but I don’t think it helped with reasonable expectations this year.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 12, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Not this people
I don’t want Corey Hart if it costs Wade Davis. There, I said it.
by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jul 12, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a Prince Fielder trade is more of a possibility than most people do
Simply because every other contender has a great 1B.
Morneau, Cabrera, Youkilis, Teixeira, Konerko, Howard, Davis (not very very good, but unlikely to move), Glaus (also not great, but unlikely to move because he’s performing well on the cheap), Pujols, Votto, and Adrian are all on contenders.
Who else is Milwaukee gonna trade with? Texas? This should drive down the price a whole lot, at least
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 12, 2010 12:28 AM EDT reply actions
He's gonna be tough to move this deadline
He’ll be moved next off-season
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Just doesn't seem like it is gonna get done
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 12, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably not but I'd say it's more likely than everyone is making it out to be
It’s a lot more likely than A-gon, and A-gon was third in the handbook. Prince didn’t even get listed
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 12, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Has Cody Ross`s name came up on the wish list?
Seems a great fit to me. He`s 29 yrs, on a one year contract that rakes LHP, not horrible vs. RHP either.
How can you have any pudding if you haven`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Jul 12, 2010 1:48 AM EDT reply actions
Here are his splits
www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=rossco01&year=Career&t=b
How can you have any pudding if you haven`t eaten your meat? I`m still waiting...
by Barnese and Bailey Circus on Jul 12, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I've always liked Ross
Guys who look like Jim Norton are good in my book. Seriously though, seems like he’s been an underrated player for his entire career.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
A lot of people were upset when Niemann and Brignac were not sent to the Pirates in 08 for Bay
In the end, I do think the club will have to overpay for the asset they want because the competition will dictate it. Normally, this club is not a reactionary type club, but the situation this seasons is special.
The part that confuses me is what Trancel brought up.
This year our OF consists of CC, Beej, Zob.S-Rod/Kap/Joyce. Next year it will most likely be DJ/BJ/Joyce/Zo. Where does Hart fit? I suppose Beej could be traded opening up something there, but with DJ on the horizon, would we really be willing to give up some other depth to overstock the OF again? Unless Hart wants to DH.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Why not Cantu should be obvious, even if you have no knowledge of advanced stats
Simply put, he’s not as good of a hitter as people he would be replacing. And he’s overpaid.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Uggla is the Right Handed Power hitter
Cantu hitting a “respectable” .260, nothing special but does add the power. Can play both corner infield positions. Gets his 100 rbis. Either way Hart or Cantu are going to be rentals. Might get Cantu for a lot less. Plus like you said, Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator.
In the end.......
The Rays will always be interested, but I don’t see anything happening. Not unless they can steal someone away. I don’t see anyway as dumb as the Mets.
i a gree with RJ. Davis' cameo last year set the bar too high for this season...
it’s an exact replay of the Price situation, only one year later, where last year people expected too much of Price and his mid 4’s ERA and 3-3 record before the break was not good enough. Davis season also has been an exact replay of how Price performed last season where as he struggled in his first few months (but improved as the season progressed), this is what happens to rookies. You have to be patient with them, Davis will improve over the second half, and be a much better pitcher next season for having gone through this season. He is not so bad that he really hurts us. Imagine what you will say next year if he does like Price and really dominates his 2nd year in while we were all too impatient to let him develop as every pitcher needs to?
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