Time For The Rays To Trade BJ Upton ?
by AUSSIExRULES on Jul 15, 2010 7:32 PM EDT
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Something i can't help but notice is the rise and fall of BJ Upton in a Rays uniform and i firmly believe he needs to be traded which would benefit both him and the Rays going forward. There is no doubt the awesome amount of talent this guy has but events in the past have somewhat hindered his progress and the time to move on has come. Firstly the shoulder injury in 2009 was something that completely stopped the momentum of the 2008 WS and was a huge setback . He started to regain his form towards the back of 2009 when he was crushing balls and showing the form of 08 when he hit for the cycle towards the end of the season. What i believe is the problem now is the fact he went to arbitration with the Rays to start this season and felt he was worth more than he actually is. I believe now that ego has got the better of him and now we are seeing a guy who plays to the level he thinks he should by the salary he's being paid. The fact Evan Longoria rightly had words in the dugout after a slack effort from him shows to the fans that his heart really isn't in it even though he says the right things when being interviewed. This is not the first time he has showen a lack of hustle and i don't think it will be the last. It's time to move on. The Rays need a power bat more than anything and should package Upton in a trade for someone that can contribute to this team for a title shot. I believe this move will not only help the Rays but the future of Upton as well. I also believe that Desmond Jennings is ready to be promoted and take over the CF role if Upton was to be traded meaning that the Rays can concentrate on a bat for the DH spot.
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Wrong site to post this on
This site is full of BJ nuthuggers. He could kick a baby and the people here would say “what did the baby do to him first?” Odds are, your post will end up rec’d by the community so they can laugh at you. Thats what they did to the other poster.
by dannythegreat on Jul 15, 2010 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 20 recs
nuthuggers
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
All day long
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I am the cat and I am here to steal."
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 15, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It's also the wrong site because
of runon sentences, lack of commas and missed capitalization.
That said, if they can get the right price for Upton, then great. But right now his value is at an all-time low. Buy low, sell high is the name of the game, and there’s almost no way we could “win” an Upton trade right now. Better off hoping his offense rebounds a bit and seeing what happens from there.
Also, while Jennings could replace Upton, then who would replace Crawford next year?
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
recing the hell out of this
We’d get so many kids off every game it was great.
Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
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by putupyourDUKES on Jul 15, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
*slowly starts clapping*
I really wish you could rec things more than once. What a fucking nugget of knowledge you are.
I don't believe BJ would ever kick a baby
Doing so would require too much effort.
by Travis Lee on Jul 16, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have nothing against BJ as a person
This is about what i believe which directions BOTH the Rays and Upton should take for the betterment of both parties. The Rays can;t think about CC and next year when they have a chance to great things this year.
How much of an improvement do you think Jennings is from Upton
And how much do you think we can get in return? I suspect that trading Upton right now is close to a zero sum game. Upton is still hitting average and playing great defense. I wouldn’t expect a rookie first coming up to hit much better than average, although there probably won’t be much of a drop in defense. So it really depends on what we get back. If we can get the bat our lineup needs on rental, then great. If we could swing BJ Upton for Adam Dunn, I wouldn’t necessarily be against it (although I think it hurts us in the future, since Joyce is a big defensive downgrade from Upton). I just doubt it.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And frankly
For all the free agents we were worried about coming into this offseason, the only two who have had an impact this year are Crawford and Soriano. I think we DO need to think about next year, because chances are that team will be just as good as this one.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Our best reliever (and it's not even close)
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 16, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't he have an arb year left?
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yeah they can sir
I’m a first-time long-time but you might as well postulate to trade for Corey Hart to fill BJ’s role as well.
jtb yl1 thunder up tino
by Allen J. Kha on Jul 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If B.J.'s ego is hurt over the money thing.
Then why did he post his career best WAR in 2008. The same season the Rays actually lowered his salary?
I think you are looking for this site:
There you will be able to interact with others who share your view that the Rays should trade BJ for a middle reliever.
by GvilleRay on Jul 15, 2010 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
When it starts impacting on others
That is the time to start looking at it. Stats aren’t everything but team chemistry is. The facts are that Upton dogged it and was confronted by Longoria. When that starts to happen and it isn’t the first time, then it is time to explore opportunites.
Why don't you let the people who run the team decide what is best for the team?
After all, they do know all these guys personally and see them interact on a daily basis.
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jul 16, 2010 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions
This kind of crap happens all the time.
Remember Navi and Garza? It’s a long season. There will be moments of frustration that bubble to the surface. If it happened every game that someone yelled at BJ, that’d be a different issue.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
How come you never see it on the Yankees?
The Yankees are a professional team that wins because of their chemistry.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jul 16, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
determination
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
strive for excellence
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
If the Rays had a Captain like Jeter they might never lose
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jul 16, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Barty?
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
You should be ashamed
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jul 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Was worth a shot.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
His stats and chemistry suck.
Sad part is everyone knows the Rays want to unload BJ. They are going to get crap for him. But what do they do. Let him go and get nothing, or trade him and try to find something for the future.
This post is practically wrong on all accounts.
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Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Why would you release him and get nothing?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jul 16, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That was my point.
I don’t want them to release him and get nothing. Get something, anything. There is always a GM out there that thinks they can “open his potential” or a lack of a better cliche
He's not FA eligible for a couple of years.
He is arb-eligible through 2012 I think. I can’t see him being given any kind of significant raise if he takes it.
"Everyone knows the Rays want to unload BJ." I doubt everyone knows that, and further I'm sure they would rather him start hitting and have a cost controlled 5 tool stud
“They are going to get crap for him.” Probably not, since again he is a cost controlled player who has at least flashed 5 tool abilities.
“But what do they do” Should have ended in a comma or a questionmark
“Let him go and get nothing,” Not going to happen
“or trade him and try to get something for the future.” If there was an attractive enough deal out there I’m sure the Rays would take it, but the same can be said for every single player on their roster.
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I am the cat and I am here to steal."
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 16, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed this reponse
Nothing in it should be up for debate as it doesn’t take the role of apologist nor does it reek of flaming. I think we’ve found the middle ground.
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Let me wipe your chin for you.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I cannot wait for my own line of PJs
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I am the cat and I am here to steal."
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 16, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Missed my grammar burn I guess
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I am the cat and I am here to steal."
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 16, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey I didn't know my 10 yr old son had an account on here too.
Owned? nice…….what other term did you learn from summer school?
Clearly you missed !TGN! forgetting to switch accounts before debating WPA/LI yesterday
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This is stupid
I’ll concede he has mental lapses, but the notion he doesn’t try is absurd. I went to the final game before the break (Family Day). Upton had hit a double and I believe a sac fly and the next time he came up he still was greeted by father/son attacks of “Don’t be lazy BJ!” and “BJ Lazyton”. Two different families both within earshot. Its disgusting. I have no problme with people choosing to give it to him if he does loaf on a play, but that play should not define him forever.
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I'll never understand "fans" that eat their own...
Why do you chunk off the money if you don’t enjoy the team/players?
Clearly you've never been to jai alai
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 16, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Frontons still exist
We aren’t talking speakeasys here
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 16, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Not in Tampa last I checked...
The last time I was in Miami was for the Orange Bowl, and I wasn’t there long enough to hit up the frizzletizzle.
Ocala dawg
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 16, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If it was just once I would agree
But just when you forget about the last time, he does it again. Then again if he was hitting .300 no one would be talking about it.
I said he is prone mental lapses
Its not a daily, weekly, or monthly occurance though. THe impact of lapses on his or the teams performance is blown way out of proportion. Nor is Upton the only player to have a lapse. He does receive unfair treatment. Lapses are frustrating, but ideally he would be treated equally.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 16, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't run out two balls in the same plate appearance (one slightly foul/one fair)
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He didn't run out a dropped third strike just a few days before he was in Upton's face
A lot of players don’t do this and it pisses me off. At least make them throw it to first. So nobody is perfect.
I agree, I choose to get annoyed by Longo as well, rather than not care about Upton.
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The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I am the cat and I am here to steal."
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 16, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at that game too
The lady behind me bitching about how awful he is then he smoked a double that was a foot for a homerun. I was like “how do you like that?” She bitched that he should’ve been at third so then I proceeded to flip out on her. I told her there were two outs and if he would’ve gotten thrown out at third then it would’ve been the end of the inning. I also said he should score on a base hit, and guess what? He did.
So as far as average fans are concerned, he’s damned if he does, he’s damned if he don’t….
I heard they just got the Internet over there in Australia.
And Nintendo 64.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Here's my question for you
Why does team chemistry change? Will it make you less likely to swing at pitches in the dirt? Will it make you more likely play through an injury? Will it let you hit the ball harder? Will it make you more likely to dive into second to stop a double play?
And, if team chemistry doesn’t do any of the above, or some tangible difference on the field, why does it matter?
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 16, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say team chemistry does matter
Being happy can translate to working harder and performing better than what you would have otherwise.
This is something that is pretty difficult to measure if not impossible. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. And I think a safe conclusion would be the impact of this emotion will have wildly different impacts across the spectrum of players.
Here is just one article…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jul/11/happy-workers-are-more-productive
Go Gators!!
Chemistry does matter
It cannot be measured statistically, but BJ Upton is far from a clubhouse cancer. There are far worse players on other teams that can bring down a team. BJ Upton is the least of this team’s problems. I think his value should be measured on what he does on the field. He apologized to the team and has busted his ass since. A problem child is one who does what he did, and then fails to address the team or starts throwing crap around in the dugout saying everyone is wrong.
Chemistry matters very little in baseball. There’s simply not enough team play for it to matter. That being said, BJ is not a disliked in the clubhouse. Longo said he is one of his closest friends. Of course, the media would have you think otherwise cause controversy sells.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jul 16, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Any change of performance related to chemistry or happiness
should show up in the statistics somewhere. Maybe the player wants to never go back to the dugout again, and starts becoming overly passive to draw out at bats. The passivity can be measured, the fact that he is being passive because he is unhappy with the rest of the people in the dugout is not. Its why things like chemistry and emotion are ignored. Too difficult to program.
I'm sure it does show up in the statistics
I’m sure it happens all the time. It is just impossible to measure. It is a variable that we cannot see so we just ignore it. That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. We just don’t have the capabilities to model it.
If I had to guess quite a bit of performance swings would be due to some type of off the field issue. Whether it is chemistry, personal happiness, etc.
Either way just because we cannot model it doesn’t mean we should ignore it. Each team should try to have the best team environment as possible.
Go Gators!!
People who don't like to be at work don't tend to do well at work
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Here's my question sports fans, without the monster 2007 season BJ produced
is he in CF for the Rays today?
For the millionth time I think this has more too do with the 2008 playoffs where he came up biggest when it counted the most.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 16, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
And that leads to this question, if he was able to mash like that in the playoffs
why was his lack of power in the ’08 season, attributed to his impending shoulder surgery?
Why can't people just say "Silly everyone, a 3 year old toddler could mash fly balls out of Fenway."
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
In the 2008 regular season?
Zero. He also missed 4 of the 9 games and got pulled in the first game of the final road series against them.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Let's just erase an entire season from baseball history
Guess the Red Sox are the losers in today’s pointless hypothetical situation.
If you are taking out his best year, then you have to take out his worst year too… hell take out his entire career. This season alone, he is 5th in wOBA and 3rd on the in the runs scored. So yes… he is.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jul 16, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to take a shot at being civil here, seeing how I am not in the BJ Upton bandwagon:
I want to be clear, that I am not at all being sarcastic or smarmy, but am attempting to prove a point to you.
There is no doubt the awesome amount of talent this guy has but events in the past have somewhat hindered his progress and the time to move on has come.
How do you know this? What ‘events’ are you talking about, what progress were you expecting him to make? What talent are you referring to?
Firstly the shoulder injury in 2009 was something that completely stopped the momentum of the 2008 WS and was a huge setback.
How do you know this? What ‘momentum’ are you referring to that never manifested itself? Seeing how he’s been pretty streaky his entire career, what is it that you know that says that he can sustain that performance for an extended period of time?
He started to regain his form towards the back of 2009 when he was crushing balls and showing the form of 08 when he hit for the cycle towards the end of the season.
How do you know this? What is this ‘form’ you keep referring to? What are your expectations of how he should be/have been performing?
What i believe is the problem now is the fact he went to arbitration with the Rays to start this season and felt he was worth more than he actually is.
How do you know this? What evidence do you have that directly correlates him losing a whopping $300,000 in arbitration while still receiving a $3 million dollar contract to his performance?
I believe now that ego has got the better of him and now we are seeing a guy who plays to the level he thinks he should by the salary he’s being paid.
Seriously, this is just unbelievably stupid. For $3,000,000 the Rays have a player who is vastly underperforming his expected value offensively but for $3,300,000 they could have had an elite superstar?
The fact Evan Longoria rightly had words in the dugout after a slack effort from him shows to the fans that his heart really isn’t in it even though he says the right things when being interviewed.
How do you know this? What metric are you using for motivation? I’ll give you a hint; the only thing you can learn with what your eyes see is how to speculate on things you don’t know anything about. Unless you’ve talked to BJ Upton and asked him about his motives for playing the game, you can’t answer this.
I also believe that Desmond Jennings is ready to be promoted and take over the CF role if Upton was to be traded meaning that the Rays can concentrate on a bat for the DH spot.
How do you know this? Frankly, I agree here, but I’m pretty sure that you don’t know why you know this other then some radio show hack told you so.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
I have seen this with my own eyes.
How do I know this ? I am not blind. How do i know this ? I was able to read your dumbass post !!
by AUSSIExRULES on Jul 17, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, here's an idea, choke on a bucket of dicks.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
OT: Since MLH has somewhat taken a leave, i noticed
DRB darlings Bailey and Glassman not exactly tearing it up in the minors
There's a thread for OT posts you know.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Glaesmann may take a while to get it together
tools are there, but a bit raw. In the same way Ryan Sweeney was a big guy with potential who never developed monster power, I feel Glaesmann might fall in the same way. I don’t know if Glaesmann will ever put up defensive numbers like Sweeney, but give the youngster some time and I think you have a good comp for him.
I think people (the typical fan) should just lower their expectation of Upton
Instead of hoping that he will change into some superstar you should just enjoy what he is. If you do that, then you’ll realize that he is an average CF and quite useful for this team.
Even if it his potential never bears any fruit he will still be a pretty decent CFer. We don’t need to have the top player at every single position.
Go Gators!!
But to compete in the ALE, we can't have a team of "average" players
i’m speaking more of the future
And when his is equal to the cost of ana verage player he will no longer be useful
He is still cheap
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I think there is a decent chance he is moved this offseason if the Rays find a good deal
The closer he gets to fair value, the less trade value he has.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 16, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Zobrist is almost a FT corner this year.
He can make infield spot starts, but he already is making 4:1 OF:IF starts.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 16, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
We also have no idea what we are going to get in a trade
Whether it is this deadline or unloading an expensive SP in the offseason. That can easily fill a gap somewhere for the long term.
Go Gators!!
No, your entire team can't be middle of the pack for that position
But it is pretty close to impossible for a team like the Rays to have great players at every single position. We should always be trying to upgrade, but BJ Upton has never been our weakest link.
Go Gators!!
What about all the plays that he takes off?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jul 16, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't loaf, he glides like a horse
Go Gators!!
Like Barbaro?
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
All the plays?
You mean the 2 plays he arguably took off all season? Cause 2 is a lot…
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanley Ramirez should be kicked out of the league too.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jul 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The Marlins should definitely trade Hanley because he's a dirty lazy Mexican.
They should trade him to the Braves for Alex Gonzalez.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Obvi troll
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jul 16, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
But Gammons said he was going to be MVP!
I'll have a bloody mary and a steak sandwich...and a steak sandwich.
by Passionate Apathy on Jul 16, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If BJ was hitting .300 and had 10-15 homeruns very few would be harping on lack of hustle
I get very frustrated by BJ’s apparent lack of hustle/focus but the more I think about the situation, the more I realize his batting numbers are creating the criticisms. Longo may have ripped into him for being lazy but most fans would have been less active joining the anti-BJ bandwagon had his production been better. Dan Sileo has made the point that a “top” performing athlete may slack but the coaches/players in that situation would encourage not criticize him.
by Raysball Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What apparent lack of hustle are you referring to? Do you watch him in practice? Do you even watch the games? He has 25 SB’s… I’d say he’s running his ass off. Other than 1 play this year where he arguably shouldn’t have even been the one to get to that ball, please explain to me where this lack of hustle is.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jul 16, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
it's offense?
Really? Cause he has the 6th highest wOBA on the team… ahead of Pena… ahead of Bartlett… ahead of SRod… etc. It’s expetations and ONLY expectations. He’s an average player with higher than average potential with a lower than average salary.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jul 16, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction
5th highest wOBA. I accidentally included a pitcher.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Jul 16, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rays expected more from him......
Fans expected more. The media expected more. Basically he’s no Justin.
And no one is, but it seems like they'd love to see Upton go.
When he’s been valuable this year.
by Cory Alexander on Jul 17, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
But it should be about a combination of things since baseball is about more than one thing. Being picked off is another example of not being switched on. We just saw that in the game against the Yankees today at such a crucial time. If BJ was hitting .300 he would most likely be more enthusiastic in the field.
by AUSSIExRULES on Jul 17, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Enthusiasm!
How exactly are you measuring his enthusiasm? FoxTrax?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 17, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, we already have a metric for enthusiasm.
:) %
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I thought :)% was just component of E.A.R. ...
Enthusiasm Above Replacement Player
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 17, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Bossman=Pippen
Just like Pippen got mad when Phil drew up the play for Kukoc, BJ gets mad when Longo bats in premium spots in the lineup. That’s why he gets lazy, black and doesn’t care.
by PCrays on Jul 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Of course!
I can’t believe Maddon has not yet caught on to the obvious correlation.
Edmonds=Bossman
Edmonds would have been lazy, black and didn’t care but LaRussa didn’t disrespect him in the lineup and he made gritty over the head diving catches that delighted the fans.
Wait
“That’s why he gets… black”?
Please elaborate more on this concept of voluntary melanin of which you speak.
by AndrewTorrez on Jul 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be proven when...
Tim Beckham turns into Drew Meyer when he stops taking pitches.
I can't tell if this is serious or not.
But whatever. Rec’d
by nolesblogger on Jul 18, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Amazing.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
CARL CRAWFORD IS ARGURABLY THE RAYS BEST ALL-AROUND PLAYER RIGHT NOW (JULY 11,2010) WITH LONGORIA IN THAT ARGUMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT BJ UPTONS CAREER STATS HE HAS STRUCK OUT 25% OF THE TIME IN ALL OF HIS AT-BATS. HE DOESNT HUSSTLE AND IS VERY NONCHALANT ABOUT THE WAY HE PLAYS THE GAME. I ALSO HAVE HARDLY EVER SEEN HIM BUNT AND HE IS ONE OF THE MORE SELFISH PLAYERS IN MLB. I LIKE PENA AS A PERSON AND HE WILL NEVER HIT FOR AVERAGE BUT HE WILL GET YOU 30+ HR’S AND 100+ RBI’S EVERY YEAR, NOT TO MENTION HE IS A QUALITY FIELDER. I AM NOT SOLD ON SHIELDS AS A NUMBER 1 STARTER AND I ALSO AM NOT SOLD ON WADE DAVIS AS OF YET. RIGHT NOW PRICE SHOULD BE THERE NUMBER 1. IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET RID OF UPTON, KAPLER, BRIGNAC OR BARTLETT…..ALTHOUGH I DO LIKE BARTLETT BUT HE IS HAVING A DOWN YEAR, JOYCE, NAVARRO, POSSIBLY SHOPPACH AS WELL, AND BE ABLE TO KEEP CRAWFORD THEY NEED TO DO SO. A LINE-UP OF: 1-JENNINGS 2-CRAWFORD 3-LONGORIA 4-PENA OR AN EVEN BETTER HITTER TO PROTECT LONGORI
by BrokeBearMountain on Jul 16, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Heater comment, #3
YES.
So you can keep knocking but won't knock me down
No love lost, no love found
I hate you for posting this
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Why would you need a metric to measure that?
Go Gators!!
:-(~ %
It’s the opposite of :) %
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Angels
I would like to see the Rays make a deal with the Angels. Napoli and minors for Upton?
Hmm...not so sure they're too happy to trade for our pitching after how Kaz ended up. :)
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
I thought this about 2 years ago...
…and I know we shouldn’t trade in the division. But a three team deal, BJ for Joba trade would make sense on multiple levels for both players. Fresh starts, young talents.
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
And what would the Yankees do with their other two CFs?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Trade him in a heartbeat
BJ’s drum has been beaten to death in Tampa. It’s time for this feller to move on. If he moves and hits .300 and knocks in 100 runs well Tampa fans can simply say he stunk most of the time in Tampa. Unfortunately, no team will take Upton unless he’s packaged with a prospect or perhaps Jason Bartlett. I can see a BJ/Bartlett package for a contact hitter(Who beats the hell out of me) and the Rays simply wash their hands. Brignac and Rodriguez is a spectacular combo. Bring Jennings up and let him play as late inning substitute. Zobrist can field center and Joyce in right.
by Darrel K on Jul 28, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fella is short for fellow
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If he moves and hits .300 and knocks in 100 runs well Tampa fans can simply say he stunk most of the time in Tampa.
Because this is how people remember Josh Hamilton. If I’m trading Beej and Bartlett I want a young stud under team control for 4 years at least. I don’t think the Angels have that player, but Austin Jackson or Gaby Sanchez might be nice players to target depending on what else is thrown in. Jackson would give us exactly what we need (what Beej should strive to be) a contact hitter that uses his speed. Sanchez gives us a 1B for the foreseeable future. Bartlett has no value so it’s basically Beej for either of these guys and maybe a throw-in from each side.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
Reply fail to Darrel (sic)
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I would think that's how HOU feels about Ben Zobrist.
"...also I'll brush my teeth and remember to turn off the stars at night and put the hyena out." ERNEST HEMINGWAY
Ben Zobrist never sniffed the bigs with Houston
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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