Rays Make Ninth Inning Come-Back; Beat Twins 5-4 in Ten Innings
So this is what it feels like to have a winning streak. It's been a while, hasn't it? (Since June 8th and 9th, if you're curious). The Rays weren't exactly impressive out there tonight - there were multiple moments where I was certain they were going to blow the game and the offense did total 21 LOB on the night - but they somehow managed to pull it off. It was an exciting game, especially at the end, and since there's so much to talk about and I won't be able to make it all transition well right now, we're going to go with bullet points:
- Did you know that Niemann threw a spike curve? I had no idea, and thought the announcers had gone mad when they went on an inning-long rant about his amazing spike curve. But lo and behold, Pitch F/x guru and general pitching master Mike Fast set me straight on twitter, pointing out instances where Niemann has thrown it in the past - one in 2009 and one in 2010. Has Niemann always thrown the spike curve, or was that a new addition last year? Who threw it first, him or David Price? Did both of them learn it from someone else, or did one of them teach the other? None of these questions matter too much in the end, but I can't help being curious.
- Speaking of Niemann, he pitched quite well last night. It was a typical Niemann performance - not mind blowing, but consistent and above-average. Six and two-thirds innings pitched, three runs allowed, five strikeouts, two walks, six hits, and 4.9% swinging strikes. Consistently decent - that's why I love you, Niemann.
- Our offense couldn't score more than one run in an inning, but they put together five separate rallies to score five runs. I don't know whether to be impressed or incredibly frustrated.
- After Niemann left, the Rays went through multiple relievers as Maddon played match-ups like a pro. Balfour came in and struck out a batter in a key situation, and then Randy Choate came in to face Joe Mauer and a few other lefties in the middle of the Twins' order. However, he let up a double to Mauer and a long fly ball to Morneau (he was getting squeezed a lot, forcing him to groove pitches more), so Benoit came in to get the last out of the inning. He got through the inning on five pitches, so why didn't Maddon cart him back out there in the ninth? The game was tied and it would make sense to use your better relievers for longer sections, but maybe he had his match-up reasons for the move or merely wanted to rest Benoit's arm some. I can't argue with the results - Cormier pitched a perfect ninth inning - but the process seemed a bit weird.
- Can we all take a moment and appreciate how amazing Carl Crawford has been so far this season? He started today after having a couple days off, and man, what a performance. Crawford had already been leading the team in WAR (Wins Above Replacement) at 3.9, good for third best in the majors, and he went 4-6 last night with two runs scored, a stolen base, a run batted in, and he made a sensational catch to end an innings and a threat. Man, it's going to be tough to watch him go...
- To help make up for all the bad umpiring karma the Rays have had recently, last night there was finally a bad call that worked in favor of the Rays. In the top of the 10th inning, with runners on first and second, Willy Aybar singled to left field. The lead runner scored, but Delmon Young threw the ball to the third baseman, , who proceeded to tag Shoppach. Somehow, though, despite having a great angle, the umpire screwed up the play, calling Shoppach safe at third. Although the Rays couldn't capitalize off of this, it was still so nice to watch a call get ruled that got screwed up in our favor for once.
- Also, for those clamoring to pinch-hit for Bartlett with Brignac in the ninth inning, don't forget about the 10% pinch-hitting penalty. By the time you regress the numbers, I believe (although I can check this) that it ends up being near a wash for them. I'll run those numbers today, though.
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After watching the phantom tag on Shoppach a few times...
I still have no idea what happened. It seems like such a bad call that I’m not getting it. For an ump to make a call on what should be such an obvious play, he had to have seen the absence of a tag rather than just not seeing the tag. (i hope that makes sense) If Cuddyer did tag Shoppach, then why didn’t he argue at all?
Though after seeing the home plate ump spit on every inside pitch to a lefty, I can’t really trust any umpire last night.
Either way, a win is a win is a win.
Wasn't it an interference call when he was rounding second?
hence why he was tagged out but the umpire called him safe?
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by Gone Phishing on Jul 2, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I was surprised by the Benoit move as well
Benoit is effective against lefties and rightes and as you said got 2 outs on 5 pitches. With the team playing for extra innings, I was suprised Maddon didn’t try to get more out of him.
Like you said it worked tonight. Cormier did exactly what was expected of him, but a strange sequence of usage.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 2, 2010 7:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Benoit move stunned me
But I was 100% behind leaving Bartlett in and saving Brigs for Kapler. That call was so bad but hoew Cuddyer doesnt react with unbridled fury is beyond me. It didnt take a sell job but rather a pulse. Great win!
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 2, 2010 7:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Since it seems like B.J. really wasnt available, I was fine with Bartlett staying in the game.
I think I was more suprised by Cuddyer just standing there more than anything else.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 2, 2010 8:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That park is awesome and you need to put it on your sports bucket list
That is one passionate fanbase. I counted one Yankee, Cub, and Red Sox hat all night long. I’d say 95% of the people in there last night had either a Twins shirt/jersey or hat on. If anyone goes there and still thinks the Trop is just fine for baseball they must have been dropped on their head as a baby.
Must be like the Trop
I wasn’t impressed by what I saw on TV. Better in person for sure.
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Sputterring wins may be how we start getting the groove back. I don't think you go from sucky to hitting on all cylinders in two games.
Lets hope for continued improvement.
Put Zobrist at lead off and leave him there
The 3-4-5 hitters have got to improve production. Also Shoppach needs to play selectively v RHP for he can provide the much needed long ball. Keep BJ on the bench
get BJ off the bench and put him deep in the lineup
he should play tonight if he’s healthy. I really wanna see him lurking around that deep CF.
I don't think he's being punished despite some conspiracy theories out there
No sense in putting him out there til his leg is 100%, don’t need a nagging imjury lingering.
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I thought they were saying last night that he may be ready to go today though
management doesn’t seem to mind sending CC out despite his lingering shoulder..
Different injury BJ needs his legs more than CC needs his throwing arm in LF
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Yeah I don't want him to develop it into a chronic injury
but if he is indeed better he should be out there. Zobrist has filled in admirably, but he just doesn’t have Upton’s range.
Yea, theres no comparing the two in terms of CF play
And b/c Zo is such a strong defender elsewhere, you really weaken two spots.
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What exactly is a spike curve?
Also that Longoria double was huge. I was positive it was gonna be game over
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 2, 2010 9:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Basically it's another name for a knuckle curve.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 2, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Should we feel bad for the Sox? $45 mil on the DL.
We’ve had some bad luck, but at least our players are on the field
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No.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
The scale of payrolls dictates that if the Sox have a few positional players on the DL
it will add up to an extreme amount of money. They are battered for sure. The Rays could put Longo, BJ, Jaso, Price and Zobrist on the DL and still liekly be under $10 Mill
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Are you serious?
Any adversity for the Sox should be declared a legal holiday
by sternfan1 on Jul 2, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meh. The organization does things the right way. I have no beef with them. Just their fans.
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OH LIFE IS SO UNFAIR! THE YANKEES SPEND ALL THIS MONEY AND WE CAN'T KEEP UP! WE HAVE TO HAVE A SALARY CAP
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I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Right on
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
really? Lackey @ $20 million a year for three years?
Lowell extended 3/$36 million? Lugo 4/$36 million
Drew 5/$70 million
Those are questionable at best deals
And let’s not forget $100 million to get Dice-K
Aren't Lowell and Lugo in the last years of their deals?
And IIRC Dice-K was signed by the GM prior to Epstein?
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
No
Dice-K was signed when Epstein wasn’t officially the GM because he was between contracts, but even when he was between contracts, he was acting as GM.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Ah.
The JD Drew signing was probably a bit expensive compared to what you see now, but back then you couldn’t have predicted that player contracts would basically be cut in half. There’s also the point that this team offered Lugo an 4/32 contract, which was the money per year he was seeking but 1 year less then his original demands. He could have just as easily been a Ray, and thus a front office mistake if the team ended up signing him.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize there were organizations out there with pristine track records.
I would think they’d get a pass for all of the shrewd signings they make and their excellent rate of player development.
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"Their excellent rate of player development"
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Not trolling, the Red Sox are an overrated FO in my opinion that is using money to cover up their flops just like the Yankees do
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
What org doesn't have flops?
Do you think BOS has more or less than we do? Do you think they use their resources effectively?
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By nature, they have a greater incidence of big money flops
The Rays can’t afford too many Burrell’s
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Other than Dice and Lugo, who are their huge flops? Lackey has had half a season.
Though I’m not positive on him, we still can’t judge the deal at this time. JD Drew is a helluva player. Lowell has contributed. They’ve managed to acquire trade pieces like Bay and V-Mart while still getting contributions from their farm.
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Theo is excellent
When your whole roster is expensive, every player has high expectations. Players with high expectations are the most likely to underperform.
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Screw the Sox, i hope they never win another game
I hate them more than any other sports organiztion
I literally agree with this point 100%
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Hanny for Beckett and LOL?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is that results > process
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
Epstein wasn’t the one who made this trade and Hanley was a head case of a prospect with .700 OPS in AA
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by bloodysock04 on Jul 2, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for clarifying that.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
Are you saying that trading a troubled prospect that never put together a flashy season in the minor leagues and had makeup questions for one of the NL's best pitchers and noted Yankee killer was a bad process?
Are you honestly retarded? Hindsight is 20/20, foo.
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Not bad process for a team that can afford to go out and buy an SS when needed.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
And gave up an SS
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
From 2003-2005 he had accumulated 10.9 WAR with the Fish.
17.9 WAR from 2006-2009 with the Sox.
Again…how is this a bad process? When it was done, Hanley was considered a stalled prospect.
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The extension most recently signed was really dumb
It only looks bad because Han Ram is one of the best 5 players IN DA WORLD!
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Sort of funny ona site where 75% of the readers are labeling Beckham a bust right>
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they have more than we do
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Much like the Yankees it seems like their prospects are rated higher than other teams based solely on the name on the front of the jersey
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't include Ellsbury in there, but yes.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I said this when it happened, crazy to see all these people biting on Masterson when I was touting him last year
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
i still stood behind him when Indians forum posters wanted him released
his stuff is amazing, a real top of the rotation SP
Worst case scenario, he's absolutely death to righties so a great team uses him out of the pen
Best case, he can figure out a way to not get crushed by lefties so he doesn’t have to pitch around them and becomes a true #1. I laughed so hard when they traded him and with V-Mart’s slow start the laughs just keep on coming
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Blalock and Percival cost nothing. Obviously Burrell was a huge bust, but that's not the FO's fault, it's Maddums (look at him mash now that he's allowed to play the field)
(Part of this post might have been a troll)
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly why the Rays can get by w/out Soriano
Its not that hard to come in with the bases empty and put up a zero or a one with a two run lead.
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I conceed
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
*concede
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget how bad they make their stars look before they get the boot so that the fans blame the player not the FO
Clemens, Lowe, Manny, Pedro, etc…
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It's true, fuck em
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to go all sternfan1, but Im not going to call 2 in a row a streak.
“We won a game yesterday, we win today that’s two in a row. We win tomorrow, that’s called a winning streak. It has happened before.” -Lou Brown
by RivalsTees on Jul 2, 2010 9:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I admit it feels like a winning streak.
Life is good today.
by RivalsTees on Jul 2, 2010 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Former Biscuits outfielder Elijah Dukes has signed with the Newark Bears of the independent Atlantic League.
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Urban renewal
Newark’s population has steadily dropped for the last 50 years. Dukes will do his best to reverse that trend.
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by Brickhaus on Jul 2, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Post of the day nomination right heeah
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Good for him
Haven’t seen his ’Clade in about a week.
by RivalsTees on Jul 2, 2010 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When he mashes there I hope it opens our FO's eyes
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Wives? Who are you talking about? Elijah Dukes ain't gonna get tied down to a single woman.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I know I am
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Percy
Let the fans in the stands make the plays
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 2, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I unironically agree with that.
But, I do see your casual Strongsville-style racism there.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Asians = not a race
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 2, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yous guys owe me for the win, I walked in the door with a 4pack of 90 minutes to see 2 outs and Craw at the dish
Before I could even get one open he was on. I’m the good luck charm. Also these guys rock socks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBy0Nb-Y2-w
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Nobody cares
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You should see them play, up until finding out that my car was towed it was one of the best nights I've had in a while
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the reminder
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 2, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
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