Rays Thump Orioles 8-1 Behind Wade Davis' Strong Start
It's amazing to see how vast the chasm is between the best and the worst. The Rays have experienced both ends of that spectrum the past two days in the Yankees and Orioles. When facing the Yankees there is a different feel to the games, with no lead ever seeming safe. You expect the Rays to take one game of the series; anything more than that seems like found money. The feeling may as well be the polar opposite when it comes to the Orioles. You fully expect the Rays to sweep any series they play; a loss seemingly being a cruel joke played by the official scorer.
I don't say this to belittle the Orioles. I know many Orioles fans and one of the better team specific sabermetric blogs, Camden Crazies, is dedicated to the O's. The Rays were in the Orioles' spot not too long ago, so I have sympathy. That's why it still feels strange to be in the position of bully. A part of me will never get used to the fact that the Rays are one of the top teams in baseball, feasting on bottom dwellers like the Orioles. But that's exactly what they are, and that's exactly what they did tonight.
After leaving New York disappointed after winning only one game while blowing leads in two others, the Orioles were the perfect cure all for the Rays. The offense torched Baltimore starter Chris Tillman. The young right hander failed to get out of the third inning, finishing with a line of 2.2IP, 7H, 8ER, 4BB, and 2K. The Rays would send 10 men to the plate that inning, scoring seven runs with nary a homer. No one offensive player stood out over the rest. It was the definition of a team effort. The only star for either team on the night was on the mound for the Rays.
In his last two starts, Wade Davis has shown flashes of why the organization has thus far been reluctant to send him down. Granted, those starts were against the Indians and Orioles so I suppose a grain of salt needs to be taken. Tonight, Davis was simply on point, going eight innings while giving up one run on seven hits. He was so good that he even seduced R.J. Anderson to quip that "Evidently Davis and Hellickson have swapped control for a night" after Hellickson walked five in three innings, while Davis gave just one free pass in his eight frames.+
His fastball was very effective, registering a 69% strike rate. More impressive than the fastball was the curve which he threw 16 times for 13 strikes. On the night, Davis threw 28 pitches with a two strike count. Instead of relying heavily on his fastball - which he's done all season - he mixed it up nicely in throwing 10 fastball, 10 sliders, 5 curveballs, and 3 changeups. Progress. Eight innings and one walk isn't something you should expect from Davis every time out. That's obvious. But if he limits his mistakes and pitches as smartly as he did tonight, he should make it through the end of the season in the rotation.
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Nice to see Davis dealing a little bit.
If nothing else, it should take the heat off of him for another start. I dont think anyone projects him as a #1 or 2 starter in his career, but if we can get similar performances from him as our #5, I’ll be pretty satisfied.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
let it go, man. Shields is a good major league pitcher. he's not great. he's good
we really don’t need to get into this every day though.
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by stpetelawyer on Jul 20, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Not like this matters to either argument
But Shields still has the best game score of any Rays pitcher from his 1 hitter of the Angels in 2008.
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jul 20, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Why's that?
Columbus has a line up of mashers. It’d been nice to see him dominate them at home
He's toying down there
The walks are probably a good indicator hes working on new pitches despite the fact he already has eleventy of them.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone looked to see if the frequency of fastball usage is different between catchers?
Staats has mentioned Shoppach’s fondness for the fastball. Personally, I like to see them mix it up a bit more, especially when playing teams that know how to hit a fastball like the Yankees. Davis looked more confident last night, rightly so, against a fairly weak offense. I think he will be one of our better pitchers for the future, assuming he stays with the Rays.
A well located changeup is still the toughest pitch to hit
A well located curveball is still the toughest pitch to hit
A well located slider is still the toughest pitch to hit
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Have you?
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I find it hard to believe a hitter can hit a James Shields changeup that is perfectly out of the reach of the hitter yet appealing enough for them to swing at it.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Do the research, and you'll get it
this really isn’t a matter of debate on my part
No seriously. Why is a well located FB tougher to hit than a well located Curve?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 20, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think it all depends on the pitcher
Nobody can tell me that Shield’s perfectly located fastball is more effective than a perfectly located change on his part.
TGN1, it has long been recognized by every analyst, mostly former pitchers
that the fastball is the toughest to connect. I would think the velocity which might tend to lag a hitter’s swing, might be the reason
Can you link me to something about this? I'd like to read about it.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 20, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
1. askmen.com isn't what I'd call a reliable baseball website
2. That is saying Nolan Ryan’s fastball is the best pitch in baseball, not a fastball in general. Phil Niekro’s knuckle is second on that list… you can’t tell me a knuckleball is the second best pitch in baseball. This article proves nothing.
I'll admit I didn't read the article,
but I did enjoy that the go-to link was askmen.com
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
It starts off by calling Nolan Ryan the best pitcher to ever set foot on the mound, so that's an automatic discount.
I want to know WHY the fastball is the best pitch. It seems intuitive to me that the best pitch would be a breaking pitch that’s well timed and well located.
I could certainly be wrong, I’d just like to know why other than “former pitchers say so”
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 20, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't pitch value in runs above/below average be an easy way to gauge this?
For instance, the best wFB/c for min. 50 IP in 2009 was Trevor Hoffman with 3.1.
We know his fastball sucks, but it’s the larger arrangement of how it’s used.
The best rated pitch in 2009 was Shawn Camp’s curveball. chortle
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by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm well aware of the saying "A well located pitch is still the best pitch in baseball"
But like a lot of cliches, it isn’t always true. Yes the best fastball in the game that is well located is better than than the best offspeed pitch in the game IMO. But but a guy like Shields sure doesn’t have the best fastball in baseball, but he does have one of the best change ups. Does the saying still apply to him. I don’t think so. Just my opinion though.
I would think that the toughest pitch to hit is the one you aren't expecting.
A fastball loses velocity in the batter’s mind when that is all they see. They expect it, and time it, so the speed is less effective.
Wade looked real good last night, his slider was so sharp, but he couldn't get many guys to chase it out of the zone
Sick action on it.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
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Curve didn't look bad either
2-seamer had nice movement to it. He’s got some nasty movement on some of his pitches. I don’t get why he doesn’t strikeout more guys. Like you said, the hitters don’t chase out of the zone. Maybe he’ll become a strikeout pitcher eventually in the majors, because he has the stuff IMO.

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