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Getting The Man In: Who is The Rays' Best Run Producer?

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The quick and easy way to find out the answer to this article's title would be to look at the Rays' Runs Batted In leaderboard. Evan Longoria leads the Rays with 63 RBI, but that does not mean he's the best run producer. A middle-of-the-order bat like Longoria has a significant amount of additional RBI opportunities than a batter in the same lineup who bats lower or behind players who don't get on-base as much. There lies the flaw in using RBI as a lone measure of productivity. 

The genesis for this post came from e-friend, Tom Haberstroh of hoopdata.com. In a tweet, Tom noted that despite having the ninth highest total of base runners when batting, Prince Fielder has only driven in 8% of those base runners (23 of 278). Ask any group of casual baseball fans if they think Fielder is a run producer; I'm willing to be the majority would say yes. Well, that would not be true - at least so far in 2010.

 When Ryan Howard received his $125 million dollar extension earlier this year, many were quick to point out his outrageous RBI total. It is true, Howard drove in a National League-best 287 runs combined in 2008 and 2009. It is also true, though, that he had an NL-high 983 base runners to drive in. This is not to knock Howard - he does drive in more runs than league average - but he just easily illustrates how the stat can be misleading.

In 2010, Howard is once again a top the most base runners category. In fact, he has had a whopping 298 runners on base for him. Second in the majors (and first in the American League) is our very own Evan Longoria. The Rays have put 294 base runners on for Longoria. Of those 294 runners, 53 of them have scored. His 18% average is slightly above the league average of 15%; however, it is not the best percentage on the Rays.

So I ask again, who is the Rays' best run producer?

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The answer might be surprising to some. For all the flack he's taken on this site (deservedly so at times), Jason Bartlett has come through with the highest percentage (21%) of base runners scored. Of course, his sample size is much smaller than Longoria's, but a fifth of his base runners are scoring some way or another.

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Min. 130 PA BR-Base runners, BRs-Base runners scored (not necesarily via RBI)

As a unit, the Rays are plating 16% of base runners, just above-league average (15%). Individually, the team has six players within two percent of the league's number - three of them at league average exactly. Longoria, Brignac, and Bartlett are the only ones who are at least three percent above average. Meanwhile, B.J. Upton is the lone Rays' player below with 12% - or 3% less than average.

In addition to overall base runners, I also wanted to quickly check on runners scoring from third base with less than two outs. I can't stress how frustrating it is to see a runner stranded when he was just 90 feet from scoring with less than two outs. Surprisingly, the Rays are pretty much average with a 48% scoring rate; the AL-average is 50%.

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Min. 130 PA BR/3/2 Out-Base runners on third base < 2 outs, Scored-Base runners scored (not necesarily via RBI)

Individually, when looking at this metric, the Rays have three above-average producers, three exactly average, and four below-average players. Once again, Bartlett is near the top the list. He is tied for second with Reid Brignac at 55%. Ben Zobrist leads the way 57%. Following them is Evan Longoria, Sean Rodriguez and Willy Aybar, who all rate out as average. In yet another way to dump on B.J. Upton, his 24% is well below league average, and by far the worst of any regular player.

Of course, not every base runner is created equal. Things like opposing defense, pitcher, base runners' speed, what base he is on, the score, game situation, and more all factor into the equation. That said, when called on to get the man in, Jason Bartlett has been the Rays' most valuable producer.

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This is another huge reason the heater crowd hates BJ

He never seems to come through in big situations. Looks like the numbers back them up on this one

by Sveet on Jul 21, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Low-OBP/fast leadoff hitters, obviously.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obvi.

Would also be interesting to see how each player’s “failures” broke down. Did they hit a single with a runner on first? Did they walk with a runner on second? Or did they make an out, thus preventing other batters from having an opportunity to drive a guy in?

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 21, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either Brignac or Bartlett

Killer B’s

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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 21, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bring back Burrell/Blalock to hit back-to-back in between Brignac/Bartlett

/just had to write that because I was amazed with the amount of B’s in comment.

by Travis Lee on Jul 21, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes we all can point to Longoria's years by the numbers

but when is he going to get a game changing XBH?
How many times recently as he flails at a fastball do we hear Brian ANderson or Staats state, “i bet he wishes he could have that one back”

Again last night he missed some very ‘fat’ pitches with RISP

by sternfan1 on Jul 21, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

See: 2008 ALDS and ALCS.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

These are the kinds of comments that you need to stop making

by Sveet on Jul 21, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This month?

7/1
J Rauch
9-T
2 outs
Runners: 1__
Score: 4-4
Event: Evan Longoria doubled to left (Fliner (Liner)). Carl Crawford scored.
WPA: .374

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

just my opinion and i'd bet he'd agree

he’s had an off year by his standards

i was watching a Mets game and Ralph Kiner commented on Jason Bay who at the time was hitting for a high BA but had but 4 HR. He commented, “they’re not paying him $15million a year to hit singles through the infield”

by sternfan1 on Jul 21, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's walking more, striking out less, hitting for a higher average, it's the same thing that Ryan Braun has done

It should help him avoid slumps better, he just won’t have as much power. I’m cool with it. We already have Pena to be the windmill.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I truly truly disagree

Lasst year he was above average onyl against fastballs. This year he has show great success against all secondary pitch types. His wOBA is at a career high. He is walking about 1% more, while striking out way less. He strikes out about 20% of the time, fantastic for a hitter of his profile.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that his WPA/LI is just shy of his 2008 season.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe this isn't as scientific as you'd like

but on this team who for the most part is starving for the 3 run HR, he needs to hit more balls out of the park

by sternfan1 on Jul 21, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol and rec'd

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

this is classic. Especially the “I love Burrell”

by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

AHAHAHAHA

Longo! (Ah-a-ah!) Fighter of the Upton! (Ah-a-ah!) Champion of the Rays! He's the master of batting and defense for everyone!

by pudieron89 on Jul 21, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are we paying Longo 15mil this year?

Oh wait, no, were paying him the most team friendly contract in recent baseball memory. And he has been one of the best hitters on our team and in the league.

by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got a game changing walk today.

Also, why is it only game changing if it is late in the game? If you get a couple runs early and shut a team out, is that not “game changing”?

by wtbudlight on Jul 21, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think hitting a first inning home run that ends up being the winning margin

is just as game changing… fans just refuse to perceive it that way

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by Jun on Jul 21, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

SF1 motto

first pitch strike, get the first out, score the first run

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who do you consider the most "clutchiest" player in the Majors?

Really?

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

This may take some time

Tougher to pull up stats on dial up

by Travis Lee on Jul 21, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

In no situation, would I ever take Nick Swisher over Longo. Ever.

by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

2010 Longoria: pLI - 1.06

2010: Youkilis: pLI – 1.03
2010: Swisher: pLI – 0.89

Longo has the better leverage index than either of those.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's because Longo is clutch

I don’t see how anyone can argue otherwise

by Sveet on Jul 21, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ask sternfan

HE DOESNT HIT ENOUGH 3 RUN HOMERUNS

by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

What is your fascination with 3 run homers?

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Jul 21, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

1 against the Angels

and you know what? Only 3 other home runs he hit this year have had a lower WPA. So youre right, he needs to hit more or were fucked.

by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can a GM DFA himself?

If so, please save us the agony of having to deal with him as our GM for another minute

by Travis Lee on Jul 21, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you even know the terms of the deal?

Swisher was at $20M+ for 3 seasons when the Yankees got him.

He also had bad bad numbers (I know a lot was due to bad luck), but the Rays weren’t even in the market for someone that expensive in his positions (given Pena).

by david_a on Jul 21, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't let facts get in your way.

Swisher’s $22M and 3 yrs and Burrell’s $16M 2 yrs are not equivalent.

And Burrell had far better projections at that point and was a FA compared to trading picks.

Just admit in this case you didn’t realize how much Swisher was earning and I will forgive you.

by david_a on Jul 21, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're over-valuing Clutch.

Longo is consistently good in leverage situations. What else can you ask for?

See how volatile that Clutch metric is? One year up a lot, another down.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

all i said was based on this year, he is not among the AL leaders in that department

and Swish and Youk are much higher

is Longo an elite player? YES

Is he having what i’d consider an elite year for what this team needs offensively? NO

by sternfan1 on Jul 21, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he is having the best year of his career. As is Swish and Youk.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

but look at the vast difference between Longo and the other two--that was my point

i never doubted anything else that’s been said about him—but in terms of clutch, he pails in comparison

by sternfan1 on Jul 21, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said. You put too much faith into Clutch.

It’s too volatile and it doesn’t accurately portrait the ability of a hitter to perform under pressure. Not to mention the extreme potential for SSS when it comes to all of these “Clutchy” stats. How many high leverage situations does Longo really get into in a given year? How many compared to Swish or Youkilis?

Also, we’re completely ignoring that Swisher and Youkilis both play in launching pads that would inflate any offensive numbers.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

*portray*

dur.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a toss up to me between Longo and Youk.

They’re the most consistent of the two and are more likely to perform in high leverage situations.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was referencing pLI when I said I'd take Longo or Youk.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clutch as defined by FG

 A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment.

by sternfan1 on Jul 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'd take a 250/355/535

over what he has with 20 HR, based on the make up of this year’s team, and yes i know OPS is about the same

by sternfan1 on Jul 21, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

But don't say he's not clutch because you're wrong.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

not as clutch in 2010 as Swish and Youk by a long way

let’s sum up, Clutch is a category that disses Longo, so thus Clutch is shit

Gotta go

Go Rays

by sternfan1 on Jul 21, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said it was shit before I compared the three.

Don’t be obtuse.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, yo can say Longo has underperformed vs normal performance and be correct

You just misused it. Its ok, shake it off.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Go Rays

Every idiotic post features this phrase

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Higher OPS

On-base more with slightly less slugging.I doubt he is displeased.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most use them correctly

Its a stat that compares an individual to himself. Theres not a universal benchmark. Compare hi lev wOBA or OBP or SLG if you wish, but clutch does not make sense.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

also, if you want to start citing stats that can be super fluky, I wonder who has the better protection? How many times do people pitch around or intentionally walk Longo? Swisher has a tough life hitting in front of ARod, Tex, or Cano.

by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know where he is among the AL leaders? WAR

So be careful when you draw a correlation between being “clutch” to being an elite player.

Longo – 4.0
Youk – 3.5
Swisher – 3.0

by Travis Lee on Jul 21, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

From FG

Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment.

How it’s calculated: WPA / pLI – WPA/LI

Why you should care: Unlike tradition clutch statistics (close & late), Clutch is a much more comprehensive statistic taking into account all situations that may or may not have been high leverage. Additionally, instead of comparing a player to the rest of the field, it compares a player to himself. A player who hits .300 in high leverage situations when he’s an overall .300 hitter is not considered Clutch.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Woops.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment.

How it’s calculated: WPA / pLI – WPA/LI

Why you should care: Unlike tradition clutch statistics (close & late), Clutch is a much more comprehensive statistic taking into account all situations that may or may not have been high leverage. Additionally, instead of comparing a player to the rest of the field, it compares a player to himself. A player who hits .300 in high leverage situations when he’s an overall .300 hitter is not considered Clutch.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, I wasn't quizzing you

I was referrinf to SF1’s misuse. If Swisher is more clutch than Longo, it does not mean he hits better in high leverage situations.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah.

I had like 3 comments going at once. Had to think quickly.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Take your time. I meant this season too, FYI.

Not of all-time.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was great Tommy

The other thing that I believe matters is frequency of opportunities vs. the magnitude

Pena hits bombs, but will come through less frequently. With Pena at the plate, its less important whether a runner is in scoring position or on 1B, b/c a disproportionate number of his hits are for extra bases. Eyeballing that list, contact has mattered this year, with Zobrist the outlier as a failure.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Is Bartlett due to pitch mix with men on base?

I guess I feel like Bartlett is a reasonably good fastball hitter because of his short swing, so if he sees a significantly higher number of fastballs when men are on base, you would expect his average and production to be higher.

When Scutaro was on the A’s, I felt the same way about him. He never seemed to hit for crap with the bases empty, but was super “clutch” because he had a great average with men on base.

This does confirm that BJ Upton is by far the most frustrating Ray to watch, regardless of his production. I tend to like Zobrist up to bat when the game is on the line. Maybe I am just a homer.

by david_a on Jul 21, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Defintely could be something to the fastball theory

Seems like a pitch f/x project, but given that he is a decent contact hitter, it would make sense.

Also I always feel better when a batter with a good eye is up in a tight spot. Zobrist, Jaso, Joyce come to mind.

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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 21, 2010 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Paging RZ. Paging RZ. You're needed in the on-call room. Paging RZ.

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bartlett for cleanup

Longo! (Ah-a-ah!) Fighter of the Upton! (Ah-a-ah!) Champion of the Rays! He's the master of batting and defense for everyone!

by pudieron89 on Jul 21, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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