Getting The Man In: Who is The Rays' Best Run Producer?
The quick and easy way to find out the answer to this article's title would be to look at the Rays' Runs Batted In leaderboard. Evan Longoria leads the Rays with 63 RBI, but that does not mean he's the best run producer. A middle-of-the-order bat like Longoria has a significant amount of additional RBI opportunities than a batter in the same lineup who bats lower or behind players who don't get on-base as much. There lies the flaw in using RBI as a lone measure of productivity.
The genesis for this post came from e-friend, Tom Haberstroh of hoopdata.com. In a tweet, Tom noted that despite having the ninth highest total of base runners when batting, Prince Fielder has only driven in 8% of those base runners (23 of 278). Ask any group of casual baseball fans if they think Fielder is a run producer; I'm willing to be the majority would say yes. Well, that would not be true - at least so far in 2010.
When Ryan Howard received his $125 million dollar extension earlier this year, many were quick to point out his outrageous RBI total. It is true, Howard drove in a National League-best 287 runs combined in 2008 and 2009. It is also true, though, that he had an NL-high 983 base runners to drive in. This is not to knock Howard - he does drive in more runs than league average - but he just easily illustrates how the stat can be misleading.
In 2010, Howard is once again a top the most base runners category. In fact, he has had a whopping 298 runners on base for him. Second in the majors (and first in the American League) is our very own Evan Longoria. The Rays have put 294 base runners on for Longoria. Of those 294 runners, 53 of them have scored. His 18% average is slightly above the league average of 15%; however, it is not the best percentage on the Rays.
So I ask again, who is the Rays' best run producer?
The answer might be surprising to some. For all the flack he's taken on this site (deservedly so at times), Jason Bartlett has come through with the highest percentage (21%) of base runners scored. Of course, his sample size is much smaller than Longoria's, but a fifth of his base runners are scoring some way or another.Min. 130 PA BR-Base runners, BRs-Base runners scored (not necesarily via RBI)
As a unit, the Rays are plating 16% of base runners, just above-league average (15%). Individually, the team has six players within two percent of the league's number - three of them at league average exactly. Longoria, Brignac, and Bartlett are the only ones who are at least three percent above average. Meanwhile, B.J. Upton is the lone Rays' player below with 12% - or 3% less than average.
In addition to overall base runners, I also wanted to quickly check on runners scoring from third base with less than two outs. I can't stress how frustrating it is to see a runner stranded when he was just 90 feet from scoring with less than two outs. Surprisingly, the Rays are pretty much average with a 48% scoring rate; the AL-average is 50%.
Min. 130 PA BR/3/2 Out-Base runners on third base < 2 outs, Scored-Base runners scored (not necesarily via RBI)
Individually, when looking at this metric, the Rays have three above-average producers, three exactly average, and four below-average players. Once again, Bartlett is near the top the list. He is tied for second with Reid Brignac at 55%. Ben Zobrist leads the way 57%. Following them is Evan Longoria, Sean Rodriguez and Willy Aybar, who all rate out as average. In yet another way to dump on B.J. Upton, his 24% is well below league average, and by far the worst of any regular player.
Of course, not every base runner is created equal. Things like opposing defense, pitcher, base runners' speed, what base he is on, the score, game situation, and more all factor into the equation. That said, when called on to get the man in, Jason Bartlett has been the Rays' most valuable producer.
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This is another huge reason the heater crowd hates BJ
He never seems to come through in big situations. Looks like the numbers back them up on this one
Interesting corollary question: which players create the most RBI opportunities (maybe split between times on 1B/2B/3B)?
Low-OBP/fast leadoff hitters, obviously.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Obvi.
Would also be interesting to see how each player’s “failures” broke down. Did they hit a single with a runner on first? Did they walk with a runner on second? Or did they make an out, thus preventing other batters from having an opportunity to drive a guy in?
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 21, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Either Brignac or Bartlett
Killer B’s
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 21, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bring back Burrell/Blalock to hit back-to-back in between Brignac/Bartlett
/just had to write that because I was amazed with the amount of B’s in comment.
Yes we all can point to Longoria's years by the numbers
but when is he going to get a game changing XBH?
How many times recently as he flails at a fastball do we hear Brian ANderson or Staats state, “i bet he wishes he could have that one back”
Again last night he missed some very ‘fat’ pitches with RISP
See: 2008 ALDS and ALCS.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
This month?
7/1
J Rauch
9-T
2 outs
Runners: 1__
Score: 4-4
Event: Evan Longoria doubled to left (Fliner (Liner)). Carl Crawford scored.
WPA: .374
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
just my opinion and i'd bet he'd agree
he’s had an off year by his standards
i was watching a Mets game and Ralph Kiner commented on Jason Bay who at the time was hitting for a high BA but had but 4 HR. He commented, “they’re not paying him $15million a year to hit singles through the infield”
He's walking more, striking out less, hitting for a higher average, it's the same thing that Ryan Braun has done
It should help him avoid slumps better, he just won’t have as much power. I’m cool with it. We already have Pena to be the windmill.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I truly truly disagree
Lasst year he was above average onyl against fastballs. This year he has show great success against all secondary pitch types. His wOBA is at a career high. He is walking about 1% more, while striking out way less. He strikes out about 20% of the time, fantastic for a hitter of his profile.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention that his WPA/LI is just shy of his 2008 season.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe this isn't as scientific as you'd like
but on this team who for the most part is starving for the 3 run HR, he needs to hit more balls out of the park
He needs to get good pitches to do that
Thats out of his power. He’s doing a great job of working with what he’s thrown, which is a huge improvement in his game.
Your comments when he was a HR baller last year:
Anyone else getting concerned about Longoria?
Jis plate discipline has to improve or he’ll keep sliding
How much has Longoria regressed this season?
Remeber he put up his ’08 numbers in just 112 games
Longo looks like wants to pull everything
Longo has a small case of Navitis
Memo to Navi, CC and Longo
Walks are not bad
I loveBurrell
Longo, Navi and CC should take lessons with his plate discipline
It’s hard not to root for Navi
…ell, but he needs to start getting himself in better counts to sustain this surge Same problem with Longoria right now, he’s always 0-2, he too needs to learn to walk
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Lol and rec'd
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
this is classic. Especially the “I love Burrell”
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
AHAHAHAHA
Longo! (Ah-a-ah!) Fighter of the Upton! (Ah-a-ah!) Champion of the Rays! He's the master of batting and defense for everyone!
If you want to criticize someone for being a singles hitter and not getting big hits
Zobrist is the man for you.
Are we paying Longo 15mil this year?
Oh wait, no, were paying him the most team friendly contract in recent baseball memory. And he has been one of the best hitters on our team and in the league.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this your "sense of humor" at work
telling me Im a Rays homer?
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
we don't take kindly to people who like the Rays 'round here
Longo! (Ah-a-ah!) Fighter of the Upton! (Ah-a-ah!) Champion of the Rays! He's the master of batting and defense for everyone!
Also, not only does the salary comparison between Bay and Longo not make sense, but 4 HR doesn't come close to 13 HR
C'mon!!!
That’s nearly a third!
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 21, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He got a game changing walk today.
Also, why is it only game changing if it is late in the game? If you get a couple runs early and shut a team out, is that not “game changing”?
I think hitting a first inning home run that ends up being the winning margin
is just as game changing… fans just refuse to perceive it that way
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Who do you consider the most "clutchiest" player in the Majors?
Really?
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
In no situation, would I ever take Nick Swisher over Longo. Ever.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
2010 Longoria: pLI - 1.06
2010: Youkilis: pLI – 1.03
2010: Swisher: pLI – 0.89
Longo has the better leverage index than either of those.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Ask sternfan
HE DOESNT HIT ENOUGH 3 RUN HOMERUNS
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
What is your fascination with 3 run homers?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
What's wrong with a 2 run shot?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
1 against the Angels
and you know what? Only 3 other home runs he hit this year have had a lower WPA. So youre right, he needs to hit more or were fucked.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Get Friedman on the phone
and get that Swisher deal done!
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Can a GM DFA himself?
If so, please save us the agony of having to deal with him as our GM for another minute
Do you even know the terms of the deal?
Swisher was at $20M+ for 3 seasons when the Yankees got him.
He also had bad bad numbers (I know a lot was due to bad luck), but the Rays weren’t even in the market for someone that expensive in his positions (given Pena).
Don't let facts get in your way.
Swisher’s $22M and 3 yrs and Burrell’s $16M 2 yrs are not equivalent.
And Burrell had far better projections at that point and was a FA compared to trading picks.
Just admit in this case you didn’t realize how much Swisher was earning and I will forgive you.
And this has what to do with you preferring Swisher over Longoria?
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No, you are
in the AL, i’d take Youk and Swish in clutch situations over Longo
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you find a way to complain about Pujols if he played here?
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not dismissing numbers here
The numbers show you are correct. Im fine with that. But personally, I would rather have Longo up with the game on the line than Swisher. And I would bet that most pitchers would rather face Swish than Longo.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
And this is not "waving a white towel"
its pointing out that all you do is constantly complain
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Waving the white towel...
Also known as “bringing in Cormier.”
by jwgator on Jul 21, 2010 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you're over-valuing Clutch.
Longo is consistently good in leverage situations. What else can you ask for?
See how volatile that Clutch metric is? One year up a lot, another down.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
all i said was based on this year, he is not among the AL leaders in that department
and Swish and Youk are much higher
is Longo an elite player? YES
Is he having what i’d consider an elite year for what this team needs offensively? NO
But he is having the best year of his career. As is Swish and Youk.

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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
but look at the vast difference between Longo and the other two--that was my point
i never doubted anything else that’s been said about him—but in terms of clutch, he pails in comparison
Like I said. You put too much faith into Clutch.
It’s too volatile and it doesn’t accurately portrait the ability of a hitter to perform under pressure. Not to mention the extreme potential for SSS when it comes to all of these “Clutchy” stats. How many high leverage situations does Longo really get into in a given year? How many compared to Swish or Youkilis?
Also, we’re completely ignoring that Swisher and Youkilis both play in launching pads that would inflate any offensive numbers.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
*portray*
dur.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
in this the year of our Lord 2010, i'd rather have Youk or Swish at the plate with two out
in the 9th and the tying run in scoring position—that is all i’m saying
It's a toss up to me between Longo and Youk.
They’re the most consistent of the two and are more likely to perform in high leverage situations.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I was referencing pLI when I said I'd take Longo or Youk.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Clutch as defined by FG
A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment.
Right so comparing across players means very little
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
and i doubt Longo is pleased with his offensive production thus far
i have a feeling most players are not tuned into FG or B-ref
Yes, he had no desire to hit offspeed pitches better
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd take a 250/355/535
over what he has with 20 HR, based on the make up of this year’s team, and yes i know OPS is about the same
I am entirely convinced if he was batting .250 you would be stating exactly the opposite.
The grass is always greener.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
But don't say he's not clutch because you're wrong.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
not as clutch in 2010 as Swish and Youk by a long way
let’s sum up, Clutch is a category that disses Longo, so thus Clutch is shit
Gotta go
Go Rays
I said it was shit before I compared the three.
Don’t be obtuse.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
No, yo can say Longo has underperformed vs normal performance and be correct
You just misused it. Its ok, shake it off.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Go Rays
Every idiotic post features this phrase
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Higher OPS
On-base more with slightly less slugging.I doubt he is displeased.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
everyone on this site uses the one stat to make their point
i feel mine was fair and very legitimate
Most use them correctly
Its a stat that compares an individual to himself. Theres not a universal benchmark. Compare hi lev wOBA or OBP or SLG if you wish, but clutch does not make sense.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
What their motive or conclusion may be is less imprtant than not understanding what they are talking about
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I would never say that Longo is a "DRB darling"
in fact, I feel he is one of the few players that is almost always analyzed pretty fairly.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Now you're turning from a debate to accusatory.
Classy.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
This
also, if you want to start citing stats that can be super fluky, I wonder who has the better protection? How many times do people pitch around or intentionally walk Longo? Swisher has a tough life hitting in front of ARod, Tex, or Cano.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 21, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
You know where he is among the AL leaders? WAR
So be careful when you draw a correlation between being “clutch” to being an elite player.
Longo – 4.0
Youk – 3.5
Swisher – 3.0
Please explain what the clutch metric means
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
From FG
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment.
How it’s calculated: WPA / pLI – WPA/LI
Why you should care: Unlike tradition clutch statistics (close & late), Clutch is a much more comprehensive statistic taking into account all situations that may or may not have been high leverage. Additionally, instead of comparing a player to the rest of the field, it compares a player to himself. A player who hits .300 in high leverage situations when he’s an overall .300 hitter is not considered Clutch.
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by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Woops.
Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment.
How it’s calculated: WPA / pLI – WPA/LI
Why you should care: Unlike tradition clutch statistics (close & late), Clutch is a much more comprehensive statistic taking into account all situations that may or may not have been high leverage. Additionally, instead of comparing a player to the rest of the field, it compares a player to himself. A player who hits .300 in high leverage situations when he’s an overall .300 hitter is not considered Clutch.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL, I wasn't quizzing you
I was referrinf to SF1’s misuse. If Swisher is more clutch than Longo, it does not mean he hits better in high leverage situations.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah.
I had like 3 comments going at once. Had to think quickly.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Take your time. I meant this season too, FYI.
Not of all-time.
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by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok. I just wanted to make sure.
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by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
This was great Tommy
The other thing that I believe matters is frequency of opportunities vs. the magnitude
Pena hits bombs, but will come through less frequently. With Pena at the plate, its less important whether a runner is in scoring position or on 1B, b/c a disproportionate number of his hits are for extra bases. Eyeballing that list, contact has mattered this year, with Zobrist the outlier as a failure.
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Is Bartlett due to pitch mix with men on base?
I guess I feel like Bartlett is a reasonably good fastball hitter because of his short swing, so if he sees a significantly higher number of fastballs when men are on base, you would expect his average and production to be higher.
When Scutaro was on the A’s, I felt the same way about him. He never seemed to hit for crap with the bases empty, but was super “clutch” because he had a great average with men on base.
This does confirm that BJ Upton is by far the most frustrating Ray to watch, regardless of his production. I tend to like Zobrist up to bat when the game is on the line. Maybe I am just a homer.
Defintely could be something to the fastball theory
Seems like a pitch f/x project, but given that he is a decent contact hitter, it would make sense.
Also I always feel better when a batter with a good eye is up in a tight spot. Zobrist, Jaso, Joyce come to mind.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 21, 2010 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Paging RZ. Paging RZ. You're needed in the on-call room. Paging RZ.
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dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 21, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Bartlett for cleanup
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