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Game Called Due to Rain; Rays Lose 3-1 to Carmona, Indians

And the streaks continue. For some reason, the Rays just can't win on Friday nights and they can't win in Cleveland. They haven't won on a Friday since May 7th and they haven't won a game in Cleveland since 2005, so it was probably fated that they lose the game last night. That doesn't make the loss any easier to swallow as it puts the Rays four games behind the Yankees, but sometimes it's easier to believe something irrational than to accept cold, hard reality. And reality was that the Rays put on a disappointing show last night.

Why the heck can't the Rays hit Fausto Carmona? He's been an above-average pitcher this season, but he doesn't get many strikeouts and normally succeeds by inducing lots of groundballs and limiting the homerun ball. Instead, last night he struck out 7 Rays in five innings and had a 4-3 GB:FB ratio. Backwards much? As Jason Collette pointed out last night on Twitter, Carmona has owned the Rays in general this season, going 2-0 with a 1.96 ERA against them.

Apparently the Rays need to learn to hit sinkerball pitchers.

Star-divide

Meanwhile, Jeff Niemann did his best Carmona impression by inducing eight groundball outs while striking out four and walking three. Niemann didn't pitch terribly - he induced 7 swinging strikes on 80 pitches and had some nasty sinkers* out there - but he wasn't we good as we've come to expect from him. He left the game after the first rain delay finished, which was at the beginning of the sixth inning.

*The more I've watched Niemann this season, the more I've become fascinated with him. He's essentially a junkerball pitcher that doesn't have overwhelming stuff, but keeps hitters off-balance with his pitch sequencing and sheer number of pitches. That's why he puts us to sleep at home; he's not as eye-popping as Garza or as emotion-filled as Shields. And every now and then, when he's just about lulled you to sleep, The Big Nyquil pops off am extraordinary pitch that seems to come out of nowhere. Like I said, some of his sinkers were excellent last night, and I even saw him dial his fastball up to 95 MPH on a couple occasions. How crazy is that?

The real goat from last night, though, was the offense. The Rays managed only one hit all night, and even that was a single on a groundball to second base. The Rays didn't hit the ball hard many times, and squeaked their only run of the night across courtesy of a fielding error, wild throw on a steal attempt, and a sacrifice groundball out. This is one of those games that makes you tear your hair out, wondering why the Rays haven't made a deal for a power hitter yet. This is still a potent offense (tied for 6th best team wOBA in the majors), but when it's bad, it's bad.

Hopefully tonight's game is more fun to watch. Considering the game only lasted a bit over two hours but there were two and a half hours of rain delay, it was about as tedious and depressing as can be.

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To answer your question on the Rays and Carmona, they're not very good hitters

and their approach against him is awful, despite seeing him for the third time in the past three months

I’m convinced besides being a team that can get on base via the BB, this team does little else on the offensive side

I can’t wait for the ’11 line up sans Pena and CC, That should be exciting to watch

by sternfan1 on Jul 24, 2010 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m convinced besides being a team that can get on base via the BB, this team does little else on the offensive side

Except score the 4th most runs in the entire major leagues.

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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 24, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, so other stats to look at in combination with that total wOBA

4th was that?

5th in the AL in 2B’s, but close to the average
5th in the AL in 3B’s, close to the top, small number anyway (20)
7th in the AL in HR, close to the average
6th in OBP (.341 vs AL ave .331)
8th in SLG pct (.406) (AL ave .410)
11th in batting average (.256 vs AL ave .262)
1st in BB (400, AL ave 319)
1st in K (746 vs AL ave 636)

Seems to me the only glaring deficiencies from an “average” offense is too many strikeouts, and a relatively low old fashioned batting average. In this case it seems a walk is not as good as hit – so far as the Rays collective offense has performed to this point in 2010…and they whiff too many times.

by tampa_edski on Jul 24, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except in runs/gm

We’re third in MLB with 5.13 r/gm. As pointed out, we’re first in walks and first in SB by a large margin, so we must be doing something right to score all of those runs. Maybe we don’t “mash” like the Yanks and Sox, but we still are a good offensive team. Sure, a power bat would be nice to add, but we’re not Seattle’s offense here.

by ReyL on Jul 24, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I give all the credit to Maddon and his lineups

not trolling

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 24, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

A word of caution Rays, don't let this become the weekend we

look back at painfully in October

The Sox are rolling v the M’s and the Yabkees haven’t worked up a sweat v the Royals, so a CLE sweep could be devastating

by sternfan1 on Jul 24, 2010 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

4 down and 3 up. We're in a good position.

We still have 7 left against Detroit and 6 against Boston and NYY (each). We’ll have our chances.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Jul 24, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

18 straight losses in Cleveland

and oh btw the Indians over the last three years are 46 games below 500 and counting

Disgraceful

by sternfan1 on Jul 24, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Sweet imagine how bad we would do against a good team!

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 24, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boy how about that Rays offense

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 24, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not old enough to play for the Carrollwood little leaguers.

I don’t act like the season is 16 games long, it’s 162… ctfo.

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 24, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh ya, and fellas, Niemann isn't very good

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 24, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Newsflash, Cleveland isn't good

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 24, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Just imagine next year without Carl, rebuildmuch? lul

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 24, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Carl Crawford's average OPS in the minors?

.736

Next?

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 24, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crawford started his pro career at 17 years old

Jennings at 19

Hopefully when Jennings gets here though he doesn’t act like a pompous little bitch and does what managements asks of him.

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 24, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love the fishes cause theyre so delicious

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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 24, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lets keep this thread on-topic Tommy.

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I am the cat and I am here to steal."

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 24, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have a Hart

Get Corey Hart. Bite the bullet. The Rays cannot hit. American league is a glorified softball league. Everyone can hit. More hitters = higher attendance.

by dram57 on Jul 24, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Hit show.....

Tampa bay Devil Rays hit show, god that was a great jingle.

by BOHICA_ALEast on Jul 24, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

radar has picked up something

Looks like the drama club is here to practice Poutrage. When do tickets go on sale?

by Jason Collette on Jul 24, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

While, or because, you be the judge

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I am the cat and I am here to steal."

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 24, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: NYY is losing to KC in the 6th

THEIR SEASON IS OVER

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Jul 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

GOOD TEAMS FIND WAYS TO WIN

If KC wins, that means they’re good.

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 24, 2010 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If you can't be KC, how are you gonna hold off the Rays?

The Yankees should forfeit if they lose. It obviously means they have no starting pitching, giving up 7 runs (so far) to the Royals.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Jul 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be KC or not to be KC, that is the question.

Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
 And, by opposing, end them. To die, to sleep
 No more – and by a sleep to say we end
 The heartache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to – ‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep
To sleep, perchance to dream. Ay, there’s the rub,
 For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
 Must give us pause. There’s the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th’ oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s contumely,
The pangs of disprized love, the law’s delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th’ unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
 The undiscovered country from whose bourn
No traveler returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
 Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought,
 And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
 And lose the name of action.—Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered.

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I am the cat and I am here to steal."

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

be = beat

/late

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Jul 24, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

DRB Kulture Korner

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I am the cat and I am here to steal."

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 24, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yanks lost to KC. Time for a Rays win to close the gap to 3

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Jul 24, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yankees lose to KC?

KC is a million games below .500 in this decade. The Yankees are an embarrassment and their season is over. Just give the division to Boston

by Jason Collette on Jul 24, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Here is a serious question concerning the Rays and their offense

As we know they lead the AL in BB. I’d like to know how many runs per game we score when are walks are at MLB average which i’m guessing is between 2-3. Also is it more or less the MLB average runs scored when walks are at theat rate

by sternfan1 on Jul 24, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Well what is happening to those guys that walked? Are they getting out? Are they all hitting home runs?

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 24, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

25-17 when we walk 3 or less times a game

Including the win against the Indians tonight. 33-21 when we walk 4+ times.

by ReyL on Jul 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good teams find a way to win the game.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 24, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

ANSWER

Walks are a good thing if you are offense.
Walks are a bad thing if you are defense.
It does not take a rocket surgeon to figure this out.

by Landlord on Jul 24, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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