Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Gift Of The 2003 Tigers

The Whiff: Jeff Niemann's Swing and Miss Pitch(es)

Photo

While watching Friday's abbreviated game between the Rays and the Indians, I noticed something from Jeff Niemann. Despite the less-than-favorable strikeout rate overall, when Niemann needed a swing and a miss, he had the ability (pitches) to get it.

Overall, Niemann is striking out a below-average 6.59 batters per nine innings (K/P) (league average 7.02). His 7.8% swinging strike rate is also below league average (8.4%). However, Niemann does posses a pitch or two that can generate a whiff.

According to MLB Advanced Media, the pitch is generally called a change-up. However, according to BIS (think fangraphs), it is a split-finger fastball. Both pitches are very similar in speed and movement - causing the classification issues. Perhaps RZ, or someone which an expanded knowledge of pitch f/x, could do a better classification job for us.

Regardless of the name, when Niemann throws his change-up/split-finger fastball, it usually ends well for the Rays and bad for the opposing hitter.

Star-divide

In Friday's game, the pitch was classified as a change-up while Brian Anderson called it a split over the Rays' broadcast. Gameday says Niemann threw 13 change-up and two splits. He registered four whiffs on the fifteen pitches (27%).

The pitch f/x data from texasleaguers.com says Niemann has thrown 107 change-ups this year at an average velocity of 85 mph. Of the 107 change-ups thrown, 19 of them (17.8%) have been swung on and missed. Overall, the pitch has gone for a strike nearly 72% of the time.

Using the same database, the Big Nyquil has thrown 37 split-fingered fastballs. The average speed of 85 mph matches that of the change-up. He has induced a whiff 10 times - or 27% of pitches thrown. In terms of overall strikes, Niemann's split-finger has a 73% strike rate.

The bulk of Niemann's change-ups and split-fingers have come against left-handed batters. We've seen James Shields use his devastating change-up as an equalizer against lefties. With the amount of success - albeit small sample size - Niemann is having, hopefully he continues follow Shields' lead and possibly increases the usage a bit more.

Looking at the splits, Niemann's 5.00 FIP (fielding independent pitching) against lefties is much higher than his 3.71 FIP against righties. Meanwhile, Niemann is actually striking out slightly more left-handed batters than right-handed. That said, Niemann's walk rate is more than double against lefties and his home run rate is not far behind. If Niemann could incorporate more of his swing and miss pitches against lefties (and maybe overall), perhaps the Big Nyquil could lull even more hitters to sleep.

Comment 10 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

I wasn't aware he even threw a change.

I could be wrong, but some pitchers use their split as their change (Randy Johnson was one) and I just thought Jeff was one of them. I’m sure the speed and movement give those pitch tracking programs fits.

by firemangreg on Jul 26, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Niemann used to throw a split exclusively, but eventually let it go because of injury concerns

and he used a change-up on its own throughout his minor league career. In the majors it seems that he coaches have started to reintegrate the splitter, and this year (I’m pretty sure) the change-up isn’t there anymore, and its just the splitter. The past two years he has used both, but I think they are confident enough in his durability to let him rip with just the splitter.

Just a theory on the recent change from pitch f/x data, but I do know he stopped throwing the splitter at one point after college due to injury reasons.

by Navi's_Navy on Jul 26, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, thanks for the explanation

I thought I remembered scouting reports from last year mentioning a change but all I’ve ever heard in person or seen is the split.

by firemangreg on Jul 26, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize that a splitter put that much extra strain on a pitcher

I always figured a splitter was safer to throw than a curve or slider, but never personally knew anybody who used it so I could be wrong. Can anyone offer some insight on the dangers of this pitch? Thanks.

by ReyL on Jul 26, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want

a real treat,get a seat,down at the bullpen.It is a side show to the game and a fan favorite of mine.To watch some of the pitches these guys have and listen to Bobby Ramos, is in itself,worth the price of admission.

by Landlord on Jul 26, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Deciphering Niemann's pitches is always tricky

Great catch…that’s really interesting. Nyquil is shaping up into a fine pitcher.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jul 26, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I remember the good ole days when Niemann was being talked about as a hot ticket out of town.

But now he’s used his Nyquil-ness to dull those rumors. Had no idea his FIP was that much higher against lefties.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Jul 26, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Here are the updated numbers for the splitter

Whiff: 19.4%
Contact: 67.7%
wOBAc: .414
o-swing 43.9%

It has the same contact rate as his curve but the splitter has generated twice as many swings, which leads me to believe whiff rate is more tied with swing rate as much as swing and misses. Anyway, the split looks like an excellent pitch but it has been hit pretty hard, much like his curve.

Fuzz

by RZ on Jul 26, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Founded in 2005, DRaysBay is home to, "Progressive statistical analysis and reasoned argument."

Please read our Community Guidelines.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Zobrist vs Pedroia vs Cano
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #31 Runoff

Recent FanPosts

Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #37
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #35
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #34
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #33
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #32
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #31
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #30 (Again)
Scaled_php_small
Rays Community Prospect #30 Runoff

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Jeff Bagwell, Fred McGriff, The Hall of Fame, and 400 Home Runs
ESPN Chat with Matt Moore
Danny Clyburn: 1974-2012
Joe Maddon Town Hall Contest
Hickey said as of now all of the starters -- Wade Davis, Jeff Niemann,...
White Sox sign Dan Johnson
Indians acquire Canzler
Justin Ruggiano to Elect Free Agency
Dougdirt over at MinorLeagueBall compiled John Sickels' rankings with WAR values from Victor Wang's research.

Thread here.
The increasingly desperate search for offense has caused some teams to...

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

DRB Fantasy Baseball

Friends of the Site

DRB Suggestion Box

Drb4_medium


Managers

Slowsky__1__small Steve Slowinski

Dad_small Jason Collette

Brad_small BWoodrum

Price_small Erik Hahmann

Analysts

Lob-city_design_small rglass44

Untitled_small EminenceFront

Small Mulva

Rutg_uakjmedjwh9ndzd4lkll_small Imperialism32

100_1952_small MrNegative1

Steak-with-crown_small CBJones

Whelk_small Whelk

Small PGP

Scaled_php_small mr. maniac

Tampa_theatre_small jcmitchell

Me_small John Gregg