Joe Maddon, Kelly Shoppach, and the Platoon
We're all still incredibly excited about Garza's performance last night and please, continue the discussion in these two threads. There have been hundreds of words written about last night already, so we're moving on to our regularly scheduled programming.
As much as people say Joe Maddon loves to tinker with his lineups and play the match-up game, I'm sure Joe wouldn't mind nine complete hitters and seven complete relief pitchers at his disposal. Unfortunately, few teams - if any - have that luxury, leaving managers to make due with what is given. This leads to a key component of managing; putting their players in a position to be successful.
For the most part, Maddon has the platoon system down. This is especially true in the bullpen. Of course, certain situations force a manager to do certain things, but in general, Maddon has used Randy Choate as a left-handed specialist, Dan Wheeler as a right-handed specialist, and allows guys like Grant Balfour, Joaquin Benoit, and Rafael Soriano to roam free. Andy Sonnanstine has his slot in the long relief role, getting called upon in mop-up duty or in situations where he is needed to throw multiple innings. Lance Cormier is, well, um...Lance Cormier hasn't been good against anybody this season.
On the position player side, things are a little bit more difficult.
Although certain players may have more success against a pitcher of a certain hand, Maddon is limited by number of available options and defensive positioning. In terms of position player, Maddon does a decent job of utilizing his players. There are some situations where we wonder why one player starts over another, but again there is only so much he can do.
One position where the platoon makes the most sense is catcher. I've said it before and I'll say it again; void of having a stud catcher like Joe Mauer or Brian McCann, a team with have two flawed catchers on their roster. Since you will no doubt carry two catchers at all times, it makes sense to find two players who complement each other.
Last season, the Gregg Zaun and Dioner Navarro platoon worked well. Zaun handled right-handers, while Navi held his own against lefties. This off-season's acquistion of Kelly Shoppach complicated things a little bit, though.
For his career, Shoppach mashes lefties to the tune of .300/.401/.600 while being rather pedistrian against righties (.216/.301/.380). As mentioned above, Navarro is also better against lefties, creating an uneven platoon. As fate would have it, the Shoppach-Navarro pairing never had a chance to get off the ground. Shoppach's early season knee injury opened the door for John Jaso, who replaced Dioner Navarro indefinitely.
On paper, the Jaso-Shoppach platoon makes a ton of sense. With Shoppach still mashing the lefties this year (.333/.487/.500), Jaso has been stellar against righties (.288/.407/.387). Either way you slice it, you have an above-average weapon batting from the catcher position.
Maddon has used Jaso very well. In terms of platoon splits, Jaso has faced a right-handed pitcher 85% of the time. That said, Maddon has not used Shoppach as well. Because of the knee injury, Shoppach has missed a lot of time and only has a total of 89 plate appearaces, 46% of those against right-handed pitching. On the season, he is hitting .079/.200/.105 against right-handers. The on-base percentage difference between Jaso and Shoppach versus RHP is 20%. That's alot. We know Shoppach is a bit of a hacker, but he is striking out 57.1% of the time against righties. That's goes beyond hacking.
Shoppach makes $2.25 million dollars this season, and at least $3.3 million next year ($3 million base + $300k
buyout for 2012). With that in mind, I could see where the Rays are looking to get their money's worth from their investment. However, on a team that has other everyday players (B.J. Upton & Jason Bartlett) struggling against righties, starting Shoppach puts the Rays at a disadvantage.
I usually agree with Joe Maddon's decisions. Even when I don't, I can usually understand his thought process. However, when Kelly Shoppach faces a right-handed pitcher with John Jaso available (day after night game, aside), I come up empty as to what Maddon's mission is that day.
*Please note that one year of data is a relatively small sample size. One year of platoon data is even smaller, so the obiligatory grain of salt is advised.
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I'm curious the process behond the decision to, though I'm sure there is one.
With catchers it could be pitcher/catcher preference. These small sample #’s are obviously inflated by last night but here are opposing hitter slash lines per battery:
Garza/Jaso .306/.363/.591 in 48 innings. 13 HRs Thats pretty awful
Garza/Shopp .188/.256/.279 in 45.2 innings. 0 HRs Thats pretty great.
Catcher ERA is not the greatest stat by any mean, but Garza/Riggans was a standard battery for most of 2008 after the navi flare up. And frankly I woudl have no problem seeing the n-no battery back out for his next start,
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Exactly what I was going to say
Really not a believer in Catcher ERA. But even if this is just a placebo effect, it’s worth considering the possibility that a supremely talented pitcher who has to look at his hat to keep focus might believe in his mind that one catcher is much better suited for him than another.
The question then becomes: What’s worth more once we see a larger sample of evidence – Garza potentially pitching better, maybe even way better, or Shoppach being an automatic out every time he faces a righty?
Not an easy call.
I agree with the plcebo effect
How much better of a game does Shoppach really call? That’s tough to judge, but if Garza thinks Shoppach calls a better game and feels more confident with Shop as the backstop, then why not pair them up. SSS, but the improvement in Garza with Shop behind the plate is better than the improvement with Jaso hitting vs a RHP as opposed to Shoppach hitting vs a RHP.
I agree
I think that Garza and Shields were the least trusting of Jaso earlier in the season. Garza even made a comment that when Jaso caught in the past, he’d be like “whoa!” I’m sure there was some carryover.
That being said, I think a catcher platoon can’t fully be defined by hitting stats. I think the manager has to take into consideration the defensive part of the equation.
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Could definitely be the reason.
I did a quick check and 12 of Shoppachs 42 at-bats against RHP have come in games started by Garza. Again we’re dealing with extreme SSS.
Its worth keeping an eye on if Shoppach keeps getting Garza starts regardless of opposing pitcher’s handedness.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 27, 2010 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We need to parse the platoon state further
To reflect the Danks Effect (I called it “Neander’s Notion” in the book).
The thing about small sample sizes with this front office is they’re very well aware of them…and they’re often not even looking at typical H/AB data at all, but rather swing plane, pitch type, spray charts, etc.
Can you elaborate on swing plane?
Is this ultimately reflected in batted-ball data or are they looking at actual swing simulations vs. pitcher flight path?
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McCann and Mauer still have a sizable platoon advantage.
Mauer may be close to perfect, but his L/R wOBA split this year is .303/.398. McCann’s L/R wOBA splits are .348/.380. The better players platoon gap closes a bit more, but there is still a big difference.
For comparison, Shoppach’s wOBA is .441 (in only 30 PAs) vs. L and Jaso’s wOBA is .360 vs. righties.
I agree a bit with FreeZo above. There maybe a few more variables to consider when platooning catchers then with any other position player.
I know we can't quantify catcher defense or pitch selection
but it seems all we hear about it Shoppach and his propensity to call fastballs. Is this having any affect on Rays starting pitching? I’lla dmit I haven’t taken a look at it, but it seemed that most starters from a results basis (I know, process > results) that earlier in the year, SP was having more success and since Shop has been healthy, we’ve seen a few more hiccups. Just randomness or a reliance on the fastball?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
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As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Does someone have stats on catcher pitch selection?
I would love to know how much leeway they actually get to call a game.
If the pitchers throw 10% more FBs with Shoppach over Jaso or whatever.
I figure if the catcher had a strong tendency that was actually a negative, the coaching staff would set him straight.
I'm sure there are a couple of sources.
I know you could use brooksbaseball.net and piece together games. Someone else may have a better source for this type of info.

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