Matt Joyce: A Story of Plate Discipline and Power
When it comes to rookie contributions, I don't know if there's another team in the majors this year that can stack up to the Rays. According to WAR (Wins Above Replacement), John Jaso, Reid Brignac, and Sean Rodriguez have been the fourth, fifth, and sixth most valuable position players for the Rays this year, and there's another young player fast climbing that list: Matt Joyce. While technically not a rookie (like Sean Rodriguez, he's spent too much time at the major league level already), Joyce has been impressive in his debut with the Rays, hitting three homeruns already, walking a ton, and having two game-winning hits in the last two days. Don't let him low batting average fool you: in only 84 plate appearances, he's already produced 3.8 runs of offensive value (wRAA), good for sixth on the Rays. He's been a hitting stud.
And so, after his heroics the past couple nights, I want to take a quick look at Matt Joyce and see what he's doing well so far. The answer to that is simple: hitting for power and being patient at the plate. Consider:
|
OBP |
SLG |
ISO |
HR/FB |
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|
Joyce |
0.376 |
0.478 |
0.246 |
12.5% |
Those are all impressive numbers, but we're dealing with an extremely small sample of data. The power seems legit - he posted a .240 isolated power (ISO) in close to 300 plate appearances with the Tigers in 2008 - but let's instead look at an area where our data has become reliable: Joyce's plate discipline rates. Plate discipline numbers stabilize around 50-100 plate appearances, so how good is Joyce's batting eye? Is it as good as his insane 17.6% walk rate suggests?
In short, the answer is yes. Joyce is swinging at only 19.9% of balls thrown outside of the strikezone, while the league-average is closer to 29% this year. He's the third best player on the Rays at not swinging at balls, trailing only John Jaso (17.5% swing rate) and Kelly Shoppach (19.8%). When a pitch is in the strikezone, Joyce swings at it 63.7% of the time, around a league-average rate. He waits for his pitch and then when he gets it, Joyce unloads. I wouldn't expect him to continue having such a high walk rate, but judging from Shoppach and Jaso, a 13% walk rate should be do-able.
When it comes to making contact, though, Joyce has been below league-average so far. He's made contact on around 75% of his swings, while the league-average is around 81%. This isn't a problem, per se, it just means that Joyce is a typical power hitter and will most likely continue to strike out at a high rate. Carlos Pena makes contact on 70% of his swings, BJ Upton on 73%, and Evan Longoria on 80%. As long as his power and solid batting eye remain, Joyce should have no problem with his contact rate.
Going forward, we have to expect that Joyce will slow down at some point. He's a great hitter, but pitchers are going to adjust to him eventually; he's seeing 60% fastballs at the moment and I'm sure that's going to change. Joe Maddon is giving Joyce every opportunity to succeed - he's only had one at bat against a lefty this season - and so far he's thrived. I would love for Joyce to see regular playing time in rightfield next season but for now, I'm content with him being a righty-masher that knows how to work the count.
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If he was blue, he'd look like Gonzo there

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Spitting image, try to deny it
As for his performance, it’s pretty hard to argue what he’s done so far, he swings and misses quite a bit, but that’s par for the course with this team. It will be interesting if they try to find a lefty masher to pair him with next year or if the plan is to see if he can play everyday. I just hope he remains healthy at this point. Him and Roddy in RF would be a nice platoon. Lastly, as others have mentioned before, him and Jaso B2B has got to run pitchers up a wall. I’d probably put Jaso first since he’s more of a DP threat and isn’t going to scare anyone with the power. Let Jaso set the table and Gonzo can drive him in.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Joyce and Jaso B2B, but don't forget about Pena
You can almost guarantee 2/3 of those guys will get to a three ball count each time through the lineup.
Need a righty to split them up, maybe Upton , he's guaranteed at least 3 pitches, depending on how accurate the pitcher is.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
A thread whose time was due. I have questioned everytime
Maddon PH for him and allows Pena to hit v a LHP. In ’09 and ’10 Joyce had a 853 and 910 OPS v LHP, yet Maddon finds the incomparable Gabe Kapler a better option
The words are strong with this one
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Im on board with Joyce facing LHP
Especially compared to the current alternatives.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 28, 2010 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, and like you said, Joyce should get some ABs versus LHPs (especially considering the alternatives we have)
We sure could use a good process, RH hitter.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Says the same guy who wanted Johnson over him a month ago.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness he always wants Johnson
You can put the tee away now.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that Dan Johnson sits in Durham
when the Rays carry such notables as Willy Aybar and Gabe Kapler, might be the crime of the century
Aybar generally hits lefties better than he has this season.
Kapler is hitting a ton of elevator shaft home runs. He’s had seasons like this before, so I’m not entirely convinced he’s toast, but yes, it would be nice for him to start hitting soon. That being said, the org loves Kapler, and I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes to the disabled list rather than being designated for assignment.
That of course doesn’t guarantee Johnson a spot if someone is acquired. He’s a back-up plan.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Also...
it would seem to me that Johnson is not able to do any of the things that Aybar and Kap can do. DanJo is a 1B/DH. He would not be able to do any of the things that Aybar or Kap could do in an emergency situation.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 28, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
To the archives:
you guys tend to way over value prospects—Joyce and Brifnac are good examples
by sternfan1 on Jul 9, 2010 2:23 PM PDT on Update:Rangers Acquire Cliff Lee For Justin Smoak + 3; Yankees Mad on DRaysBay
Not much left to say. Every day they find a new way to lose Crawford breaking a cardinal rule making the third out at 3B down 4 runs, Shields yielding another big fly with men on base, Joyce providing absolutely nothing, yet many want to pencil him in as a starter, a year long abcsence of a DH, on and on and on
From the FO on down to the 25th man, all must join in on what is now turning into a complete debacle of a season
As i have long said, ‘good teams find ways to win, bad teams find the opposite’
by sternfan1 on Jun 30, 2010 3:33 AM PDT reply actions
Brignac hasn’t proven he can hit any type of pitching Joyce has an uppercut to match Pena
I like getting DeJesus
What the hell, better than doing nothing and watching what will probably be the last 500 team we see for a while slip away
Matt Joyce didn’t impress me AT ALL
by sternfan1 on Jun 25, 2010 7:18 PM PDT on 6/25 GDT: Arizona Diamondbacks @ Tampa Bay Rays on DRaysBay
Maybe if we get Bradley we can trade Joyce for Jackson as our closer
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 28, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The debacle continues
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont let facts get in the way...SF1 is always right on talent evaluation.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 28, 2010 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He should be given an honorary position in the Rays' FO
Benoit not fooling anyone lately
by sternfan1 on Jul 20, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
this is the best one by far
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
by stpetelawyer on Jul 28, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
lol lol lol
Love this one: “What the hell, better than doing nothing and watching what will probably be the last 500 team we see for a while slip away.”
And this one: “What the hell, better than doing nothing and watching what will probably be the last 500 team we see for a while slip away.”
..and just like that he was gone.
PUFF THE MAGIC STERNFAN,
SITS BY HIS PC,
HE WAITS FOR RAYS ADVERSITY,
AND THEN HE POSTS WITH GLEE.
LITTLE TOP GUN NUMBA ONE,
DOES FANPOSTS FOR HIM,
IT’S TOO HARD FOR STERNFAN’S EYE,
WHEN HE IS THAT HIGH.
O, PUFF THE MAGIC STERNFAN,
SITS BY HIS PC,
HE WAITS FOR RAYS ADVERSITY,
AND THEN HE POSTS WITH GLEE.
STERNFANS DON’T LIVE FOREVER,
BUT TOP GUN SURELY WILL,
HE’LL CARRY ON STERNFAN’S LEGACY,
AND SWALLOW THAT BITTER PILL.
O, PUFF THE MAGIC STERNFAN,
SITS BY HIS PC,
HE WAITS FOR RAYS ADVERSITY,
AND THEN HE POSTS WITH GLEE.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 28, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
you obviously put a lot of work into this
Longo! (Ah-a-ah!) Fighter of the Upton! (Ah-a-ah!) Champion of the Rays! He's the master of batting and defense for everyone!
no, it came really quickly...(twss)
just pulled up the lyrics to get the structure
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 28, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Monday morning quarterbacking at its best
btw, is there a baseball term for MMQB that I just can’t think of?
Well...
Back to your regularly-scheduled Luke Scott, folks
Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays
by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT
I want a righty that crushes lefties at this point
Joyce and Briggy give us pop against righties, we need a lefty masher not named Kapler.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Scott's splits aren't bad, so he could still start vs. a LHP, but I'd prefer a righty like Willingham
Apparently they want a lot for Willingham, Scott's splits aren't bad, but I'd rather have someone who's strong suit
involves removing covers from balls while standing on the left side of the plate.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You would, it seems like a misnomer to me though
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He's done, he had his glory and it's all over, good thing for him he signed that crazy deal.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, that is exactly what i said
when defeated make shit up—Sandy K
Well he's never going to be a power hitter again, that's one thing we agree on
Those first two seasons were obviously a fluke and we’re finally starting to see the real Longoria with all the luck stripped away. Luckily he’s probably still going to get 20 SBs so he can help your fantasy team while killing his actual team.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ruggs?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Rob Johnson?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
But honestly, there's no reason why this guy is not in the discussion. We'd have to give up nothing. Beej takes a DL breather, gets his head together.
PLAY BALL DANG IT !!!!!!!
The trade market is positively retarded right now. And there's still a chance that whoever we trade for gets in a plane crash on the way to the Trop, or some other injury. And then we gave up something for nothing.
PLAY BALL DANG IT !!!!!!!
And his issue is durability, which he isn't going to fix in the minors.
Sorry for the masturbatory posting pattern here, but I have to run to the airport and am responding to all possible points that I can think of in 2 minutes.
PLAY BALL DANG IT !!!!!!!
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish we would build our offense around him.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Fernie?
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 28, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
B.J. is killing LHP.
It’s v. RH that’s the issue.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
On that note, I enjoyed Gobbagooski's rotographs post:
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/assessing-b-j-upton/
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Upton has the eighth highest ISO in baseball v. LH.
Highest amongst all Rays.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably why he went on that one tear in June or whatever when we had that stretch against Oak and Sea
Seemed like we faced an inordinate number of lefties. His hot streak coincided with Pena’s worst stretch of the year. Must have been May.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe you mean, Gonzo
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 28, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe I went the entire piece without calling him Ulysses once...
Fail.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
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