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Why Matt Garza's No Hitter Isn't The Franchise's Best Pitching Performance

Let me start off by saying that the no hitter Matt Garza threw on Monday night was amazing. I loved it as much as any moment in Rays’ history aside from Game 7 of the 2008 ALCS. It was fantastic to see the Rays claim the national spotlight, if only for a night. I hadn’t felt the “Oh, God, I think I’m going to throw up” feeling quite some time, so, thanks for that, Matt. As talented as the pitching staff currently is, it's still surprising that a team that has employed such esteemed arms Tanyon Sturtze, Albie Lopez, Casey Fossum, Bryan Rekar, and Paul Wilson had a no hitter thrown in their favor. 
 
I don’t mean to go all Curb Your Enthusiasm on you, but, having said all of that, Garza’s no hitter was not the top pitching performance in team history. You’re probably asking yourself, “Erik, what are you? An idiot?" While you’re figuring out just what kind of idiot I actually am, let me explain my rationale.
 
Not all single game performances are created equal. This we know. There have never been two baseball games that are exactly alike. The lineups differ, the conditions are never exactly the same, some players may feel better/worse on a given day, outs are recorded differently, etc. You get the idea. This all plays into accepting the truth, as Dave Cameron so excellently noted yesterday, that randomness does happen. Luck, both good and bad, rears its head in every game. A bloop single that barely gets over the infielder’s head? Good luck. A sharp line drive that is hit directly at the third basemen for an out? Bad luck. All of these things can have an effect on how we perceive a game, let alone a pitching performance.

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Garza is perceived by many to have had the best performance in team history simply because he allowed no hits. While that is impressive, not allowing hits is not the only thing that goes into the makings of a great performance. Other things like, walks, quality of opponent, and total pitch count play a part in measuring how good a pitcher was on a given evening. This is why I consider James Shields' May 5th, 2008 start against the Angels to be the best in Rays' history.

In that game Shields went all nine and allowed just one hit, a third inning single to Brandon Wood. He would later hit Erick Aybar witha pitch, but that runner would be wiped out with a double play. He would go on to strike out eight Angel batters while throwing just 92 pitches. Garza struck out just six and needed 120 pitches to complete his no hitter. The lineup Shields faced was also considerably better than one Detroit trotted out Monday. Anaheim sent Gary Matthews, Erick Aybar, Vlad Guerrero, Garret Anderson, Torii Hunter, Casey Kotchman, Mike Napoli,  Brandon Wood, Sean Rodriguez at Shields, while Garza was faced with four Major League caliber players (Austin Jackson, Johnny Damon, Miguel Cabrera, Brennan Boesch) and a bunch of guys who might not crack AAA Durham's lineup (Will Rhymes, Ryan Raburn, Don Kelly, Gerald Laird, Danny Worth). It was by random chance that Magglio Ordonez and Carlos Guillen were placed on the DL just days before this series. Those were moves that greatly weakened the Tiger lineup, and greatly improved the chances for Garza's no hitter. Shields was simply better against a better lineup. I'm not alone in this thinking, as ESPN's Pitching Game Score gives Shields' start a 93, and Garza's a 92.

Again, I'm not trying to diminish what Garza did. He's now a part of baseball history and should be damn proud of it. I want to show that so much more goes into any one start than simply the results achieved at the end, and we should consider all of those factors before making our decisions.

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WHAT! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!

everyone knows Yields is garbage and we don’t care about anything he did before June that would prove otherwise.

All aside, both are great pitchers but this should make Garz that much more attractive to deal in the offseason. I appreciate his contribution to the club in the no-hitter, but it is really another luck-driven event that required a good deal of skill on his side. Most of Tampa Bay will rear its ugly talk-radio head when/if it happens, but we should be able to get something nice for Garza this offseason, allow Hellboy up to the rotation, and still be competitive in 2011 on a much reduced payroll.

Longo! (Ah-a-ah!) Fighter of the Upton! (Ah-a-ah!) Champion of the Rays! He's the master of batting and defense for everyone!

by pudieron89 on Jul 29, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

The difference

is that Shields was not pitching with the pressure of the no-hitter, and that makes what Garza did much more impressive. Knowing that one tiny mistake will blow it for you, is a much different circumstance than what Shields was under.

by peteypab on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

What about knowing that any run you gave up would likely be the winning run?

In Shields’ game we didn’t score until the bottom of the 9th. Garza could have walked away with the W anytime after the 6th. Different types of pressure, but saying shields wasn’t under pressure re-writes history.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't say Shields wasn't under pressure

just that he was not under the pressure of keeping the first No-hitter in franchise history in-tact. That kind of pressure can’t be quantified, but my opinion is that it makes what Garza did more impressive.

by peteypab on Jul 29, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever

I was there too. I take your pee pee cornflakes and serve them back to you.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

April 19, 2008

2 hours, 2 minutes. This one has to be up there on the list. I remember it because I had gotten home from the gym right around 9PM that night and popped the TV on to watch the game, and only caught the final out.

So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

by kericr on Jul 29, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Who is this Upton fellow batting third?

He went 3-4 with a double and an RBI….

Sign lady must die.

dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

sonny with the 3 hit SHO

not a punk lineup from the sox, either.

Longo! (Ah-a-ah!) Fighter of the Upton! (Ah-a-ah!) Champion of the Rays! He's the master of batting and defense for everyone!

by pudieron89 on Jul 29, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Erick Aybar, Torii Hunter, and Mike Napoli were the only ML calibre hitters on that team, Vlad had an awful year

Matthews, Anderson, Kotchman, Wood, and Roddy were all not ML calibre hitters at the time. I prefer to read articles that are grounded in statistics when I come here, not shooting from the hip.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Apologies, that was before Vlad had his downturn, but they had a .325 wOBA as a team when the league average was closer to .330ish

Casey Kotchman was their 4th best batter with a .334 wOBA. That lineup is only marginally better than the mess the Tigers are forced to put forth.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, gamescore is a ridiculous statistic and they are separated by one point, this is Erik with an agenda.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a very adult way to handle legitimate criticism, kudos.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'm pretty sure you saying Jewish folks are another race is even more offensive.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Race, shit they're another phylum

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "Free the slaves at traffic stops from false arrest and jury fixing"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at that Shields' one-hitter and it was great

But the mental feat that Garza accomplished is what puts his start over the top of Shields’ IMO. Starters pitch with the pressure of a close game all the time, so they are used to dealing with that (some better than others of course). Of course, all the points made in this article are valid. The Angels had a better lineup, but not by as much as you’re saying, and Shields didn’t let them put as many balls in play. But the mental accomplishment of dealing with the pressure of a no-hitter is what makes all those games better from the rest.

by Travis Lee on Jul 29, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Congratulations, you failed

So in trying not to take anything away from Garza’s great pitching performance, you took a lot away from Garza’s pitching performance. Who cares who had the better day or performance? We got the W and Garza goes into Rays history yet again. Good day for the Rays no matter if Shields threw one better.

Good game Garza, Go Rays

by Go Rays! on Jul 29, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Garza's performance may not have been better

But it’s still more significant.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 29, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

May not be Garza's best performance

An argument could be made Garza was more dominant in other games.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=280626128

Fewer pitches, more strikes, more strikeouts, very similar swinging strike percentage.

OTOH, it was the Marlins with three former Rays were in a starting lineup and no DH.

or perhaps..
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX200808150.shtml

Facing a better lineup playing at their home launching pad, with Aybar and Hinske both on defense.

If you could quantify the context, then maybe ALCS Gm 7

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by RATW on Jul 29, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Game was May 9th, not the 5th

I was at that game, my first game at the trop. I remember Shields pitched well, but the moment I remember most was Longo’s walk off bomb. I’m generally a downer on the importance of the no-no (re: edwin jackson and ubaldo jiminez), but I would put Garza’s no-no over Shields gem. Maybe because it’s so fresh in my mind though.

By the way, I went to every game of that series and loved every second at the trop. Got my girlfriend ‘acquire’ a Carlos Pena wiffleball bat while I distracted the ticket lady. ( TSA almost wouldnt let me bring it on the plane back home.) It was my first and only time visiting tamp/st. pete and I’ve been itching to go back since.

by CBJones on Jul 29, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

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