Longoria, Niemann Lead Rays Over Tigers 7-4
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 29, 2010 5:00 AM EDT
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PrintThis has been one heck of a fun week. The Rays won their fifth game in a row last night, pushing them a season-high 23 games over .500, and keeping them two games behind the Yankees and five games ahead of the Red Sox. Considering that the Yankees have had one of the easiest schedules in baseball - according to this study, at least - I don't feel too bad about that. The Rays still have time to gain ground tomorrow and then if nothing else, this weekend's series against the Yankees is going to be huge.
Last night's game defies simple summation. The game was close for almost the entire time, but there were no big suspenseful moments like there have been the last few nights. The game went back and forth for the first few innings, but really, the Rays owned the show. Maybe it's just me, but even when the Rays were losing, I had this feeling they were going to win. The hits were falling in, we drove in runners when needed, players were clicking together - it was like watching the Rays from the first third of the season all over again.
Ahh, good times.
Jeff Niemann gets the win for his performance last night, but his pitching was less than ideal. He let up lots of baserunners (eight hits and two walks in only six innings) and a couple homeruns, both of which seemed to be caused by his unexpected lack of command. That's not to say that Niemann was wild last night - he threw around 63% strikes - but that he missed with his location on too many occasions, leaving pitches over the middle for hitters to crush. Check out his strikezone plot from last night:
Those are a lot of pitches in the middle of the plate, and not many of them on the corners. Niemann still managed to get great results with his spliter (two whiffs on seven pitches), but that was by far his most successful pitch. As Tommy mentioned earlier this week, I hope he breaks it out more as the season goes along.
Offensively, the star of the boxscore is Evan Longoria, who went 3-4 with a homerun and a walk. The Rays only had two extra base hits all night, though, so I want to give credit to the entire offense for stringing hits together and being aggressive on the basepaths. Ben Zobrist took advantage of the Pena shift to steal second and then walk into third, considering there was no one within 60 feet of third. Longo's homerun was great, but those runs were just insurance; the early runs that the Rays scored were even more important.
Other Notes:
- Ben Zobrist left the game in the fourth inning with a sore lower back, but he expects to be in the line-up today. Hopefully this injury turns out to be mild, or else the Rays need to seriously think about calling Desmond Jennings or Fernando Perez up until Zobrist or Upton gets better.
- Reid Brignac started the Rays' rally in the fifth inning by running hard out of the box and stretching a single into a double.
- John Jaso bunted for a hit in the fifth inning. It was a thing of beauty, but also caught me me entirely by surprise. Who would expect a catcher to attempt and bunt for a single? The rest of that inning was a mess by the Rays - failed sacrifice bunt, weak groundout, pop-up.
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A couple thoughts on your notes
1—Maddon in his post game said Zobrist wouldn’t play today
2—Jaso with a bunt single is nice, but it’s about the only way he’s reaching base lately
Is a Navi sighting in the future?
He's certainly hitting well again
I’m sure he’s back by the time rosters expand.
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jul 29, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Winner winner
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Some monthly splits for Jaso:
The first table deals with plate discipline.
Split BB% K% Strike%
Mar/Apr 25.00% 4.00% 52.2%
May 10.80% 13.60% 61.0%
Jun 18.40% 11.50% 55.4%
Jul 10.70% 10.20% 57.4%
Strike% shows you what percent of the time pitchers throw him strikes. As you can see he’s still walking at a high rate and striking out at a low rate. Pitchers are throwing him about the same amoutn of strikes, and he’s striking out the least of anyt month in July, but his BB rate is down a bit. As we’ll see in the next table a lot of his issue in July has been with the type of contact he’s making and BABIP.
Split BABIP LD% GB% FB%
Mar/Apr 0.375 8.00% 40.00% 52.00%
May 0.304 24.60% 42.10% 33.30%
Jun 0.226 22.20% 37.00% 40.70%
Jul 0.267 11.40% 59.10% 29.50%
So in July he’s hitting a ton of grounders, and against the general BABIP rules is hitting for an abysmal BABIP. His LD% being dreadful is probably largely to blame. Suprisingly, his best full month came in June when he has an anemic .226 BABIP. Here’s wOBA by month:
Mar/Apr 0.508
May 0.324
Jun 0.332
Jul 0.266
He’s likely to keep up his walking ways, and hopefully he can get some of those GBs to turn into LDs or FBs that leave the park.
Bunt-gate in the 5th
Had me pretty pissy when it happened…. but looking back, it was just so bizarre and horribly performed that it’s almost funny.
Great win. I was the same way… even when we were down, I knew the Rays would pull of that W.
A few things:
1. Joe needs to fall out of love with the damn squeeze play. We bunted 3 plays in a row, and it killed what could have been a big inning. Quit managing like his BOY The Other Genuis Scioscia.
2. Longoria is so unclutch. He only hits HRs in a game that’s seemingly over.
3. Nice to see us take the first 3 with Price on the hill today looking for a big 4 game sweep. Let’s ride this wave to 2/3 against the Yanks to put us in the driver’s seat.
4. If Upton is going to be out for this Yanks’ series I wouldn’t mind seeing a Kapler DFA/DL-stint with a Jennings promotion. Even if he doesn’t get a ton of PT, I’d like him on the bench at least against the Yanks if BJ isn’t good to go.
Wouldnt it be nice if someone *Carl Crawford* offered to slide over to center for a few days?
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 8:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice try.
So unclutch. I think that’s his MO.
Regs season WPA rank by year:
2010- 2
2009- 4
2008- 5
NOT CLUTCH!
obviously you
i’m glad he hit a HR to help the Rays win
you’re the one pulling stats out of the closet to prove a point
OK how about his playoff performance in 2008? was that clutch?
Your trolling is weak with the team playing well right now. Going after the ebst player on the team bit you in the ass and made you look like a fool. Now you look like an insolent child who won’t face the music.
More succinctly he sounds like this:
Fart Fart Fart, every time I picture him saying these things, all I hear is farting.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
What other way would you like him to prove a point?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Sir--this all started about a week ago when
i noted that in the clutch stat Longoria was not that great
When asked who i’d like, i stated that for ’10 Youk and Swish were better and they still are
That’s all
OK well I'll take Longo over either.
He is after all 8th in WAR and niether of those guys are in the top 10. Part of being tops in WPA is out of control ( alot of it actually). You have to come up in big spots and get pitches to hit. Longoria is a top 3 player in the league, and here you are bitching about him. It’s patently retarded.
With only the bat being considered, it'd be hard to vote against Youk and Swish this year
and that is all i ever said
Have you park adjusted those numbers?
Let’s not forget that Fenway turns Pudroia into an offensive machine, what do you think it does for Youk?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Bartlett is our clutchiest player and only one in the top-70, this tells me we should be stripped of all our wins
like the Clarett-led Buckeyes or the stat is meaningless. HOW HAVE WE WON ALL THESE GAMES WITH NO CLUTCH HITTERS?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
who's coming out of the closet with Youk?
I bet you love how he slides his hands down his shaft…err…bat
There really is no excuse for Brignac not to be an everyday player
And he has been recently. He’s hitting well, but even beyond that he’s playing exceptional defense.
Hat tip to the bullpen trinity of Balfour, Benoit, and Soriano. Maddon played it perfectly once again including the IBB to Cabrera and then not messing around with Cormier to start the 9th. Hopefully DP can go deep into the game and the offense supplies plenty of runs.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 8:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I concur!
Briggy is turning into one of my favorite Rays. Was is ‘08 when he was called up and looked utterly lost at the plate? What a huge improvement he has been this year, it’s awesome to see that kind of growth out of our up and coming guys.
by BOHICA_ALEast on Jul 29, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
0-10 isn't anything, but I railed on him pretty hard for his approach. He's still hacky, but it's really hard to not like his game.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Hacky, but has great hands. Like CC, hes able to adjust and put balls in play that dont seem possible to hit.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Via Mobile"
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone else think that Soriano should not have been used yesterday?
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 8:17 AM EDT reply actions
Sonny save?
Longo! (Ah-a-ah!) Fighter of the Upton! (Ah-a-ah!) Champion of the Rays! He's the master of batting and defense for everyone!
He threw 12 pitches.
He’s smart enough to know the difference of how to pitch in a one run game v a three run
What I'm saying is
because he was used yesterday I’d bet good money Maddon will not use him today. It also wouldn’t surprise me if him, Benoit and Ballfour or 2 of the 3 are not avaliable today.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
meh
Take the wins when you get em. He probably was already warmed up by the time Longo stretched the lead. You don’t warm him up and not use him. I would make him unavailable today though (and hopefully Benoit and/or as well). All three of the big boys in the pen have pitched the last two (and the 25th as well).
I guess I agree.
I just feel like resting all 3 is almost punting the game. With a 3 run lead I would hope the others could get though that last inning.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't you rather have him available in a on run game today, than yesterdays 3 run game with the 6 hitter up?
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You already warmed him up, though, so it's moot.
You warm him up, you bring him in. He still available today if needed.
meh
We’ll see. We may blow them out, we may get blown out, Price may go 9 IP, we may be able to use the two-handed RP-ace that is Wheeler/Choate, etc. We’ll see, but I think if you get him up, you have to bring him in (especially in the almighty save situation). It gave him an easy, breezy save.
By your theory if Pena hit a solo shot, you still bring in Sori?
There is no chance Cormier wouldn’t have come out for the 9th. THe difference between a 3 and 4 run lead is minimal. The difference is the almighty save.
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Im with you
something to be said for the bird in the hand over the two in the bush. Price could go 8 strong today, or 3 weak. Not having them available could be a problem, but I’ll take the sure thing.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd agree if it was a close game
A 3 run lead against that part of the lineup does not qualify. Why not use your closer in a 6 run game?
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Soriano should be enough of an adult and team player
to recognize the benefit of having him rested for today and tomorrow. If he didn’t throw 30+ pitches the previous day, I would not have cared. Its an issue of protecting the players health, which is the same reason CC refuses to play CF.
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He's afraid to look foolish, how is it less healthy to play CF than LF for a handful of games?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Playing out of position is more likely to cause injury.
Though the move to CF in the Trop really shouldn’t effect CC at all in that regard.
Right on both accounts, he's just being a pampered baby
Which is a privilege that he has more than earned.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
He can, why not Joyce in LF, Zobrist in RF, Roddy at 2B, Craw in CF, and Briggy at SS?
I’d like to see us try to get our best team on the field at some point this year.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He Gone, might as well burn him out, I'd do the same with Strasburg, Garza, etc..
Dusty’s got it right, these guys are only on your team for so long, why strengthen the Yankees?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Who cares? We have Lock-Down Lance for any tie games in the 9th
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No
That isn’t how it works. The warm-up process for most closers is as much stress on their arm as the actual 12 pitches he made. How many warm-ups do you think he threw? How many actual pitches?
I understand that
But he wasn’t fully warmed as the inning was still going on, plus mound warmups, plus the 9 pitches (fortunate it was so low). You could have saved 20+ throws.
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I think it's a valid question, but something you rarely if ever see.
He’s still the closer. It was still a save situation. He still had started the warm-up process. I think you can feel free to use one of those guys today, but I’d prefer none. We’ll see what happens in the game though.
None just makes me think we're okay with 3-4 if the game is on the line.
That is what bothers me.
/doesn’t matter for shit in the long run
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
All this pitch count stuff with Soriano
is over kill.Joe asks him if he needs a rest and that is how it goes.You guys would have him wiping his ass with his left hand.
I say use him and abuse him for the one season we have him.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 9:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gotta get there first. /sf1
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 9:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In order to complete our quest for the pennant, Sir Ralph of Sorian must vanquish the gruesome creature known as LANGERHANS
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yuppers
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just curious
Back in the day of Eckersley, Franco etc, how many days in a row would that go out there? I seem to remember watching Franco go almost everyday while watching the Mets growing up.
by BOHICA_ALEast on Jul 29, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
I was disappointed. Longo’s home run was just the relief the team needed to not have to use him. With Detroit’s 6-9 being about as bad as they get in the AL, any remaining arm in the bullpen should have been able to close the game out with minimal damage. 3 run saves are generally the biggest joke in baseball. Look at Brad Lidge, two solo shots, loaded the bases, and still picked up the almighty save this week. If Cormier did get in some sort of jam, then you can consider bringing in Rafa, but the odds are slim. With the patient Yankees coming to town we need the pen to be as fresh as possible. It felt like we were chasing a stat, as opposed to a maximizing our closer usage this week.
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The win was there for the taking. I have no problem with using him.
If Cormier puts two men on, which could easily happen, and the Rays blow the game we have bigger issues than playing the match-up game today.
Maddon was worried about the final three outs of a potential victory instead of the 27 outs he needs in the next game.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 8:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I liken the situation to not using Soriano vs NYY in a tie game
Maddon saved him for a situation that never materalized. Maybe we need him to day, but maybe we don’t. Not gonna fault Maddon for managing the game he was in over the game that hasn’t started. Also, I think Soriano is like at 47% (h/t R.J) of his usage from last season.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 9:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its far more important to use him in that example than in a 3 run game vs. the bottom of Det lineup
The leverage with and without lineup context was far greater in the NY game.
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Overusage was a concern last year
So the Rays have done a nice job of managing that, especially with eyes on a deep postseason run. My concern about last night wasn’t wearing him out over the season so much as having him ready to go in a real high leverage spot today and tomorrow if needed.
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Maybe the ghosts of bullpens past have made me jaded
But any time the opposition is a grand slam or less from tying the game, I’m still using my bullpen aggressively. I know the percentages go against me, but blame Troy Percival.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha, so much for the days of believing in a leverage-based bullpen ace
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I know he haven't, but it has long been the DRB drum
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven't heard anyone beating it this year now that we have 3 closers.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
All who have pitched on consecutive days heading into today
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
How many pitches has Balfour thrown the last two nights? Benny? Which starter isn't scheduled to pitch this series
we should use him as our closer, bring up Narwhal for one spot start then business as usual.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats a lot to do, when all we needed was 3 outs with a 3 run lead
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't trust Cormier or Sonny to do that at this point, against anybody.
Which means we should probably be working to replace one or both.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would it have to be Cormier or Sonny only?
I would have put in Choate. He was facing a SH who has a .299 wOBA against lefties and the next three were LHB. I would have taken my chances there and now have Sori ready for today and the Yankees.
I’m with Zo on this one. The save stat dictated the pitching choice.
To each their own, I don't think Maddon makes decisions based on earning a save, which is what it seems you are implying.
He was already up, might as well use him. Or give him one day off, maybe he pitches today, and then he’s facing the Yankees coming off 2 out of 3 worked days including the last.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, it likely benefits the team long-term for Soriano to rack up the saves.
More likely chance of being type A and more likely he flees for FA netting picks.
Don't think he will accept Arb again?
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
No.
He’s getting up there in age, and depending on the market he should be the top RP available. I think teams were worried about his health, and if he stays healthy (which he should given usage) that won’t be a concern.
FA RPs per mlbcontracts:
Relief Pitchers
Jeremy Affeldt SF
Grant Balfour TB
Jesse Crain MIN
Scott Downs TOR
Chad Durbin PHI
Kyle Farnsworth KC *
Pedro Feliciano NYM
Jason Frasor TOR
Brian Fuentes LAA *
Chad Gaudin NYY
Matt Guerrier MIN
Aaron Heilman ARZ
Mike Lincoln CIN
Brian Moehler HOU
J.J. Putz CWS
Chad Qualls ARZ
Jon Rauch MIN
Arthur Rhodes CIN
David Riske MIL *
Mariano Rivera NYY
J.C. Romero PHI *
Bobby Seay DET
Scott Shields LAA
Brian Shouse BOS
Matt Thornton CWS *
Kerry Wood CLE *
Other than Thornton (who has a team option) he’s the tops. Don’t know why he isn’t listed here, though.
What this really does is show we need one more hi-lev reliever who isnt a handed-specialist.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is true, if Maddon can't trust Cormier or Sonny in that situation, we need to make a move
Personally I do trust them, especially knowing Sori is available if the game does get tighter.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
If Cormier goes in, we lose that game, plain and simple
I’m not asking for some stud reliever that can get out both hands and blow fire out his ass in high-leverage, just give me a guy that can get 3 outs when you put the pill in his hand. It’s moot once Narwhal ends up there.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you trolling?
Cormier is a 27.00 ERA pitcher? I am all for removing him from the roster, but against that part of that lineup 3 runs is an awful lot.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have to allow any to do damage
2 guys get on and Sori has to come in after warming up and then sitting down after struggling the night before. Not exactly ideal. I’ll take the guaranteed win and worry about the next bridge when we get to it. Are you saying that Cormier isn’t likely to put 2 guys on with or without getting an out?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Against that lineup I think he would be fine
His WHIP is awful at 1.94. But I think hes a fine AAA pitcher.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
So he allows 2 guys per inning? INTERESTING MR. FREEZO
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
2 per inning is awful. Cormier is awful
But 2 per inning doesn’t get you 3 runs, and he’s not a big gopherball threat. And the Tigers are AAA beyond Boesch.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
What if he puts the first 2 on and Joe goes to Sori anyway, now after he's sat back down?
You make great points, but the win yesterday guarantees a series win, you go for it then and use today as a rest day.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I get it
I just think the game was in the bag Sori or not. If Sori hadn’t pitched30+ the day before I would not have cared less (did I get it right RJ?). And I believe it should have been managed like a 4 run lead, which I don’t think Joe would have sent Sori in for. The silly stat of save dictated game management which I don’t like.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Dealwithit.jpg
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
in addition to Balfour and Benoit?
I would love to as well, but I mean you can’t really argue against the fact that we have one of the best, if not THE best, bullpens in all of MLB. I wouldn’t consider anyone outside of Cormier a spot to replace, and despite the great performances lately, we could still really use a good RH bat.
Longo! (Ah-a-ah!) Fighter of the Upton! (Ah-a-ah!) Champion of the Rays! He's the master of batting and defense for everyone!
You don't think it's important to get his confidence back after almost blowing it on Tuesday? If he says he's good, let him go
We’ve babied most of our other horses for the most part, ride him hard and let’s get some Type A compensation.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I do
I forget the exact , but according to the Book, it’s something like 97+ of average RP will convert a 3 run save. Same as closers. With how much Soriano has been pitching recently and the hope we might need him in the next four games. I would have been fine with Choate as he would have been facing 9, 1 & 2. Plus, they were S, L, L and L again if he got to the 4th batter in the inning.
^exact pct and 97 percent +
for some reason, the percent sign didn’t show up.
62 wins in 100 games
tip of the cap to the RAYS on the best played 100 in team history.
HUZZAH HUZZAH HUZZAH
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Wish I was joinging you.
Or had the forethought to use my “personal day” today rather than yesterday.
I took a personal day two years ago for Opening Day. (The first time I took off for opening day)
Pretty much all the games were rained out. I was so pissed.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
"joinging"
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "Free the slaves at traffic stops from false arrest and jury fixing"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Ferg's at 11 am if anyone wants to meet for a beer
I’ll be the guy in the Rays jersey
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
by stpetelawyer on Jul 29, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
OT: Matt Moore is nasty
Also, I think I may wait to get excited about a prospect (pitcher) until the advance past A ball. The umpire was AWFUL. He called several strikes that didn’t look like strikes, to me at least.
Also, whoever was pitching for the Tampa Yankees looked good too. Not sure how much of a prospect he is.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions
I thought it was Dellin Betances.
HeHh
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 8:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No going tonight. I just know how to use the internet.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 8:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to play the FIND POW game!
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Park @ my grandmothers. FB message me. Her house is a short walk to the park.
Unless you are too snobby for free parking.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 8:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or I could park for free at the stadium, whatev.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh is parking free?
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 9:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Si
With the 40 fans they avg per game they can’t charge for parking.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Well. I was going to pregame for $1 beer nite, but it doesnt seem like a sharp plan anymore.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 9:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dellin Betances was a highly regarded prospect before getting TJ in 08.
He was a top 5 prospect then, but didn’t pitch last year (after about a half a season in 2008). Here’s what Sickles had to say at the beginning of this month:
**Dellin Betances is back on the mound in the Yankees system and pitching great; 0.39 ERA, 27/3 K/BB in 23 innings for High-A Tampa, with only eight hits allowed so far. The elbow problems that dogged him last year seem a thing of the past, and indeed he’s now pitching better than before. It will be interesting to see how quickly the Yankees move him, if they are conservative and leave him at Tampa for awhile, or if they decide to bump him up to Trenton shortly given his domination of the FSL. If it was me, I think I’d leave him at Tampa for another month, then if he’s pitching like this on August 1st, move him up. I didn’t have him on my Yankees Top 20 list this year, but he’s right back on it now of course, and if he’s pitching anything like this at the end of August, he could get into a Top 100 overall list
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Betances is probably a top 100 prospect by now
6’8" pitchers who can touch high 90’s with good command don’t grow on trees.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Also, I counted 12 scouts at that game. I'm not sure if that's a lot?
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's a lot
Two prospect pitchers against each other.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Well, what do I know?
He drove a ball deep to the RF wall in his 2nd at bat. He also had some semi-tough plays that he made without a problem. His throws had plenty of zip and were on the money.
I can see where he would end up with a lower half similar to that ugly chick daveh posted in yesterdays OTTOTD. He’s a touch thick right now.
I could be 100% wrong on all of that though.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Fly out.
I thought it had a chance to get out. It wasn’t a routine pop fly or anything.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Must have missed that one. I could only keep my gf there though 7
so it happened when I was in the can or after we left.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Probs just got picked off like this other black minor league SS we had once.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 9:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, we even run into outs at 3b in A Ball! Keong (sp?) got thrown out at 3rd.
/the Rays way’d
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a word of this is coherent.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice to see a prospect commit to fixing his biggest flaws before worrying about his line
Defense and walks should be the name of his game, offense would be gravy.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
WTH happened to Matt Bush? Hasnt pitched since 6/10?
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 9:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Last i heard is they were working with him on the side building arm strength
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 9:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Only thing I can find is BR Bullpen saying he was with the SC for a month and a half.
No word on injury or release.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the org is just being cautious.
Major arm surgery + still coverting back to pitching.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Roy Silver might know
But higher ups here are afraid to talk to him.They think lightening will strike them.lol
I think we'll add a reliever during the waiver trade period.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 9:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seth McClung is available.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least wait til noon before hitting the sauce.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Job Title and Type of Work Performed:
Mental Retardation Asst. II
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
I have that on my resume from all the ottotd's I've posted.
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "Free the slaves at traffic stops from false arrest and jury fixing"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
W
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and had they sat Sori down last night he would have been better rested today vs. last night
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But you would have used him today and thus pitched in 2/3 going in to the Yanks series.
Now, he’s coming off an offday.
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