Report: Rays "Favorites" in Adam Dunn Sweepstakes
by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 8:00 PM EDT
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The rumor...
#Rays acting like don't want as DH only, but one exec said, "they are favorites.
As R.J. Anderson points out, Joel Sherman was the reporter who broke the Scott Kazmir trade so his reports may hold a little bit more weight that others. However, being the favorites for Adam Dunn does not mean the Rays will be the team to acquire his services. After all, the Cliff Lee/Yankees deal was "on the goal line" and when that didn't happen, New York was the likely destination for Dan Haren.
Adam Dunn, the offensive player, fits the Rays profile well. He hits for power, he takes his walks, and he strikes out a lot. Defensively, his numbers show he's been about average this year, but we know better than to put stock in a few months of defensive data. From all accounts - including advanced defensive metrics and scouting reports - Dunn is a terrible defender. While the Rays have an open spot waiting for him as a designated hitter, Dunn is not interested in that - at least he wasn't last week.
I don't want to DH. I don't want to DH. If I have to DH, I'll probably go home. I'm 30, I'm not ready to DH yet, 35, maybe. --CBSSports.com
I don't think the man wants to DH. Meanwhile, if the Rays feel they are getting value in a trade for Dunn and are secure enough to pull the trigger, he has little recourse. He doesn't have a no-trade clause, and I doubt he really wants to go into operation shutdown when he's months away from free agency. On the other hand, according to Sherman, the Rays are "telling people" they are hesitant on Dunn for this very reason. I'm going to blame this on Pat Burrell.
#Rays telling people Dunn's vehement stance against DHing is huge impediment.
One potential fix would be putting Dunn at first base and using Carlos Pena as the DH. This would weaken the team defensively, but since we're getting little-to-no offensive production from the DH spot (sans Matt Joyce), the likely offensive upgrade from Willy Aybar to Dunn would outweight the negative decline from Dunn to Pena. At the same time, I really don't want Adam Dunn in the field during a potential playoff series.
As for a return, we've been hearing the Nationals want a starting pitcher in return. I highly doubt the Rays would give up five-plus years of Wade Davis or six years of Jeremy Hellickson for three months of Adam Dunn and two compensation picks.
I guess we'll know by 4p.m. Saturday. Until then don't believe every thing you hear - or see tweeted.
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we know the Nats love Garza, I wonder if they'd like Shields
I’d rather not give up Davis and Hellickson I’m sure is off limits. Another option, maybe they like Sonny and we could maybe build a deal around Sonnanstine and Colome
If Mike Rizzo was smart he'd ask for Shields. Unfortunately for him, Andrew Friedman isn't dumb enough to trade years of Shields for months of Dunn.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 8:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly. That's a terrible idea.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I forgot that Shields is cheap
how about Garza, I’ve heard his name come up before. Out of curiosity if you had to give up Niemann or Davis who would it be, not sure which one I’d give up. Maybe Nieman?
Given Niemann's performance in the Big Leagues
the Nats would have to give us more than just 3 months of Adam Dunn.
right, not necessarily for Dunn
but in general which guy would you rather give up. Both good and controlled for awhile.
Wouldnt trade any member of rotation or Hellickson for Dunn
But just talking hypothetical Niemann is under control for longer and is cheaper than Garza. Also Garza is more likely to get you a better return. Wouldn’t be surprised if his name came up in trades after the season assuming he doesn’t re-up long term.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Moving Garza could help restock us up on position players
Maybe even getting a good bat to help out.
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Just not in-season right now.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 8:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the only way we move Garza I'd imagine would be for a guy like Gonzalez
if we can somehow convince them to take Garza + Pena for AGon
I can't imagine the team giving up 2 current starters to get one in return.
They’ve said just recently that they’d rather move prospects then guys on their 25 man. As for your question above, I’d probably prefer to give up Davis. Even though Niemann is supposedly the worse of the two pitchers sabermetrically, I can’t really argue with the fact that Niemann always gets the job done, and doesn’t look like he’s going to get any worse moving forward.
On an unrelated note, if it’s me, I’m really gun-shy about trading Garza. I think he still has some development ahead of him and he’s going to get better. The no-hitter is not an isolated event IMO, he flirted with it two years in a row and got one this year. Now if there’s no chance of securing him long term, or if someone blows my socks off during the offseason because they see the same thing I do, then yeah I trade. But I wouldn’t try to move him at all for any reason simply to get better now or next year.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Could probably get a better value in the off-season anyway
More teams would be able to trade with you.
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee maybe?
Anything more than him would be overpaying imo…
This seems like an all around terrible idea.
If he won’t DH then the upgrade is minimal. Pena has really already turned it around at the plate and his glove is leagues butter then Dunn. Then they also want a starting pitcher? I’m sorry but giving any SP of our current rotation or Hellickson is not worth it for a rental. If they scrap together a deal without that then the experiment may be worth it. Better convince the guy to DH sometimes though.
playing defense
I would think we could give him enough starts in the field to keep him happy. Let him play 1st once in a while, let Carlos DH. Hell, I’d rather have him roam around in RF once in a while than having Kapler in the lineup.
I wouldn’t give up Davis, certainly not Hellickson, but Sonny and maybe a Colome and lesser talent – I think it’s worth it.
Disagree
He was horrible in 2009. He was bad, even for him. But he’s not -35 bad. If a compromise can be made where he gets minority time at 1B and he’s happier that way, then I’m OK with getting him.
If he insists on playing 1B via majority share however, or tries to plea time in the outfield, then yeah, I’d leave him for someone else to deal with.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
lineup w Dunn
Would look really fantastic against RHP. A matchup against the Rangers and everyone except Lee would be pretty favorable, same with the Twins. The Yanks are gonna throw two lefties, but Pettitte is tougher against RHB anyway. Same with the ChiSox and Danks/Buehrle.
Luke Scott please!
I’d think he’d be going for cents on the dollar compared to Dunn and he’s AL East proven.
Totally agree with Luke Scott
Haven’t we learned from Burrell?
by Raysball Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Every good slugger automatically starts to suck when they get traded
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Get an extra year also
But who knows how available he is. I think most people here would agree that Scott would be ideal, but are the O’s really shopping him that aggressively?
Is Luke Scott even an upgrade at this point?
Other than the upgrade over Kapler? Seems much more marginal to me.
Unless someone goes down with an injury between now and the end of the year, we’re going to end up trading one of our six starters for cents on the dollar. Personally, I don’t have a huge problem with trading Davis or Niemann for a rental that provides a decent upgrade, which is what Dunn would be, presuming he’d be happy enough if he’s only DHing 1/2 to 2/3rds of the games.
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Why does everyone keep saying that we should build a deal around Sonny?
He’s not even close to good enough to be a focal point on a trade. If I were the Nationals, I wouldn’t give up Dunn for Sonny in Colome. I wouldn’t even consider it.
He'd have to be starting again, and proving that he can start, before he gets value again. As a long reliever, he's not worth anything. Teams don't trade for long relievers.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
He doesn’t have a lot of value at this point. He’s someone a scout would have to heavily assess, because a lot of MLB starters would be thrown out of our rotation like he was. And he hasn’t been pitching lately, so that’d be hard to do.
waiting game
Supposedly they wanted Hudson and something else from the Sox. Sonny isn’t Hudson, probably, but he has proven to be a successful starter in the AL East. But if the other prospects we would give up (McGee, Torres, Colome, guys like that), are better than the secondary guys they were asking for from the White Sox, then I do think that’s a plausible offer.
Our huge advantage over everyone is that most teams want young pitching, and we have an abundance of that at the AA and A+ level. You throw in a Sonny, who would be a decent 4th starter in the NL east in my opinion, and that’s something Rizzo has to consider on Saturday afternoon.
I think if you start throwing in guys like McGee or Moore than the deal comes closer to fruition
But I just don’t Sonny pushing any deal over the edge. But hey, since they value E-Jax so much, I guess you never know…
Moore's ETA
are we thinking he’s a one level at most a year guy? Might he get bumped to AA for a couple starts this season, AA all next year, AAA in 2012, maybe Sept callup in 2012?
He seems to start off so slow it would be nice to challenge him a little in AA at the end of this year.
That seems to be the MO of the front office.
Should arrive just in time for Niemann, Shields, Garza, and/or Davis departure. Who knows though?
2013 rotation
Price, Hellickson, Davis, Moore, Colome
I love this front office
RP
Closing things out or shipped to the Nats in the next 36 hours
Barnese works too, or Torres, whatever. Was just kind of saying that all the talk about this being an “all in” year, and the window closing, well, I think the future still looks pretty good.
As long as we can replenish some postion player depth for sure
The pitching depth this team has is just completely insane.
true
But Longo, Deezy, Joyce, Brignac, Rodriguez a decent start.
Posey too (ooph, just kidding)
dammit
my wife would kill me for forgetting Ben
Great contract:
Ben Zobrist 2b-rf
4 years/$18M (2010-13), plus 2014-15 options
4 years/$18M (2010-13), plus 2014-15 club options
signed extension with Tampa Bay 4/22/10, replacing 1 year/$438,100 deal signed 3/3/10
$561,900 signing bonus
10:$0.4381M, 11:$4.5M, 12:$4.5M, 13:$5.5M, 14:$7M club option ($2.5M buyout), 15:$7.5M club option ($0.5M buyout)
2015 option may increase based on finish in 2010-14 MVP vote
assignment bonus: $0.75M before end of 2011 season, $0.5M after 2011 season but before end of 2013 season, $0.25M after 2013 season
Zobrist to donate up to $0.45M to club charity
absolutely
I wonder what position Ben will be playing in 4-5 years, will he be able to maintain his defensive versatility?
I don't know
He’s a big guy, don’t know he’ll still be effective in the MI
It’s still a great contract and love having him on the squad regardless of position
McGee vs. Torres:
McGee: 24, 2.67 FIP, 10.7 K/9, 3.5 BB/9
Torres: 22, 3.44 FIP, 9.4 K/9, 4.3 BB/9
McGee is a couple years older, but he’s bigger and it’s his first full season back from TJ. I wouldn’t be shocked to see both in the bullpen, but I’d expect it to be Torres more than McGee.
Torres has monster GB rates though
and does McGee have the secondary stuff Torres does?
by Navi's_Navy on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He did
I haven’t heard much about his secondary stuff since TJ though. Mostly the fastball.
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Sounds like Thornton would be a good comp
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless there are trades
Shields, Garza, Niemann will all still be under contract.
Which goes to my point about selling for pennies on the dollar. The disadvantage of stockpiling one position is that everyone else can see you’re not getting full value there, and they’ll try to trade for the value upgrade rather than the value of the player. It’s how people get ripped on business deals all the time.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Bologna
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Hammel
not exactly the same situation, but similar
I just don’t see Rizzo walking away from a halfway decent offer. If Dunn wants to play for the Nats so bad, they can resign him in the offseason. AF just has to wait him out.
I think you are underestimating the value of Sonny's bat
Your source for replacement level commentary
I stand corrected
Also if Sonny grows back out the beard, we probably can get away with giving up one less B prospect.
I'd rather have ..
Lance Berkman or Chris Young.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jul 29, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
At first I wanted Adam Dunn
Now I’ve started to reflect and I think, “how many team MVPs has Adam Dunn won?” I think we should narrow our search down to only players that have won team MVPs.
Unfortunately
Tejada was traded, he could’ve replaced that bum @ 3B we have now
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
fun fact
Baseball reference’s “most similar players” to Luke Scott is lead by Bubba Trammell
Mass exodus in Cleveland after A-Rod's 7th inning AB.
1-run game, but I guess people are doubting A-Rod gets up again. Not a baseball town.
(make that 3-1)
You'd leave too if your teams sucked for 40 years.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Except they didn't win anything and instead had pricks like Albert Belle spitting on children and Manny Ramirez going to the Sox.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
They won 2 pennants.
That’s more than any other Cleveland team.
From 95-01: avg. 93 wins per year, made the playoffs every year but one, and made it to two WS.
The franchises are currently awful
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they had their chance to call us awful for years
Just because we haven’t won a WS and they have, doesn’t mean that we can’t brag about our record or rag on other teams for being bad.
The Rays were awful...
the Indians are awful right now, as are the Royals, and Pirates, and Mariners and a number of other teams that appear to have no real direction.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
At least the Rays were an expansion team
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And they were poorly ran due to financial situations...
You want to see a sad franchise? Look at the once great Oriole franchise
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Although they have a nice young core...
need to get lucky with some pitching
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
They need their core to stop sucking
They’re letting Matusz die up here
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but they haven't had a winning season since 1992
Since then baseball’s added 4 new teams-5 pennants & 3 rings
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The Pirates have been awful for a longer stretch of time than we've been in existence
Their glory years are far enough back that they’re fair game for us.
Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays
by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT
And they were losing by a healthy margin
Happens everywhere…The fact they stayed around so long to see a part of history tells me that they are fans of the game.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Self Correction
They were down by a not so health margin…But still, if I the Rays were out of it at this point I can’t honestly say sticking around to watch them salvage a meaningless game would mean more to me than seeing baseball history.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
How about the quote from the "Yankee exec"
Dunn’s a good guy, but not cut from Yankee cloth, he’s lazy"
insufferable
Luckily, we're not Omar or Moore, or such
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude's been traded like 50 times already
It’s insane
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean you're good though
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Juan Encarnacion was good
You get traded that much it means you have value….doesnt make you great though
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan Johnson has been tested
sometimes I think ppl think DJ is some 22 yr old kid who has no history in the majors. heck who knows what we could have done over the last 4 years if we called up Chris Richard
Johnson showed power while at Oakland and he's not just hitting hR or King
Look at his BA and K/BB ratio—outstanding
Look at his career #'s there is no reason to think that he would be an improvement over Willy Aybar
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT?
Dunn with the bat doesn’t compare too DJ. His career wOBA is .333 in the pros. Dunn’s is .385.
DanJo is his new obsession...
even though there really isn’t a spot for him on this team where he would be a major improvement
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Might as well bring up another outfielder
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're gonna replace Kapler, might as well let DJ do it
Righty with Defense
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we really need anything?
our playoff odds at this point are about 83%. 38% to win the division. Do we need a bat to win in the playoffs? It seems almost pointless to trade someone of any significance for what might really only impact 25-50 plate appearances.
Of course – one or two AB’s in October might be the difference between a flag flying or not.
THAT'S IT
WORLD SERIES IS CLINCHED
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If I knew they were so willing to trade him
For RP-I’d be there all over that too
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Man they dunno what to trade for
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Storen moves to closer and
Sonny has a role in the pen if he can’t impact as a starter.
Hunter Pence would be my choice
3 or 4 not top prospects would get us a right handed bat w/some power. Hellickson, Jennings, etc. have way more upside and would be too much to much to include, but we could enrich Houston’s organizational depth.
Pence is a stud and a hard worker.
I would def inquire about him.
by floridaroar on Jul 30, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Heyman
price said "high’’ on dunn but “not ridiculous.” #chisox, #rays in, though dunn apparently prefers not to dh.
He will be pissed if he comes over and doesn't want to DH
SCREW HIM! DOESN’T THIS ASSHOLE WANT TO WIN?
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by Gone Phishing on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Never been in the AL.
DON't FUCK WITH MY BLACK ASS
by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
or they could be out altogether
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing like a nice bat that crushes RHP pitching
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
There is nothing to make me believe that he would be a vast improvement...
over anyway on the roster. Do you have any evidence contrary to that?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen his career #'s?
He is Willy Aybar + 3.5 years
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this argument is a bit much, DanJo is probably a better hitter against righties than Waybar
And it’s not like we’re giving him a 5-year contract, not sure why age needs to come into play.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
But I am certain Dunn will help more.
Remember this:
To me i’d hate to see Blalock
put ip the type of numbers he’s done in past MLB seasons when healthy with another team, when we had him
I’m all for cutting Burrell loose and platooning the DH role with Aybar and Blalock
by sternfan1 on May 12, 2010 4:01 PM EDT actions
My line up
Bartlett
Zobrist RF
Longoria
Blalock
Crawford
Pena
Sean Rodriguez 2B
Upton
Catcher
by sternfan1 on May 9, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up actions
Blalock 285/348/498 career v RHP
by sternfan1 on May 13, 2010 11:44 AM EDT actions
I love how a superb performance by Blalock is handled by DRB
Hell-boy and Lobestein shit thje bed too—not a good weekend for Rays fans
by sternfan1 on May 9, 2010 10:18 PM EDT actions
He's a walking contradiction
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
.....
I’m not sold Blalock is a better MLB option than anyone.
The guy is cooked IMO.
by rglass44 on May 12, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up actions
I don’t disagree there really.
My point (that I have yet to make) is that if Blalock has more value to someone else then I don’t think I’m sure DJ/WAYBAR would be that big of a difference.
by rglass44 on May 12, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up actions
And Blalock has a HUGE park adjustment.
He also has a history of injury that Burrell didn’t have.
by rglass44 on May 12, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up actions
A lower-level arm that could end up in the BP is a possibility.
Take your chances. I just don’t see Blalock as any better than Johnson.
by rglass44 on May 12, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up actions
another good one:
His AAA numbers were good due to a near .400 BABIP.
Blalock the All-star no longer exists.
by rglass44 on Jun 30, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up actions
You're obliviated
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "Free the slaves at traffic stops from false arrest and jury fixing"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't think that Dunn would be a good pick up if the price was right?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Nats are looking to move on for the future...
the Nats look to be shaping up nice for two years down the road. That’s what they should be building their team around.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No...
but I don’t think the trade for Ramos was as lopsided as some. It fits both teams needs very well. A deal based around a AA SP might get it done.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That way we have a million picks for next year
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying we need him
I’m seeing hes dumb for not wanting to be on a winning team before his free agency
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by Gone Phishing on Jul 29, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. its a ridiculous stance
the asshole won’t dh for 60 games to be part of a winning team
by RaysTheRoof on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: Andy Marte just pitched a perfect fram against the Yanks
He struck out Swisher and hit 89 mph. Maybe someone has finally found something Marte is good at…
Funny that it would be Swisher
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even that...
didn’t he strike out Kap?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder what he had to say about Joe Inglett the other night
Pitched a scoreless frame while hitting 52mph on the gun.
Whatever it was
It probably wasn’t nearly as funny as him getting angry at everyone on the BBTN set for making fun of Kapler
by The Fennel Sauce on Jul 29, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know
But his complete inability to make light of what was an amusing event because it was Kapler hitting was ridiculous
by The Fennel Sauce on Jul 29, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He did business with the GM that took on Rios's contract & let his starting 2B
hit about .150 for 3 months
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Jake McGee for Adam Dunn?
I would be comfortable with this
by StylezMcKoolaid on Jul 29, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
If we get Dunn, do we drop Longo back to 4th or something to preven the LLL streak
Or just leave it alone?
PIZZA?!?
I would assume so
With Dunn’s OBP skills coupled with the fact that if he were 4, he would be followed by 2 (if not 3) straight lefties.
Baseclogging skillzzz
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 29, 2010 11:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Illustration:
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "Free the slaves at traffic stops from false arrest and jury fixing"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ leading of against LHP's
ZO fifth?
Los sixth?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 29, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't pulling Hellickson after 37 pitches seem fishy to you?
I know he wasn’t traded yet, but maybe they just gave a team a sample today and that team didn’t want him throwing too much for a trade tomorrow?
i thinking you are looking to deep into it
they pulled him to limit his innings
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Jul 29, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And I think you are too quick to take official team statements at face value
Pulling him in that situation means SOMETHING is going on, wheter its an imminent promotion or a trade or a combination of both remains to be seen. Look at his game logs and show me another time this has happened (that he wasn’t getting lit up). Or better yet show me where the Rays decided on a similar course of action with another pitching prospect at this time of year.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
IM USING REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY!
AND SARCASM
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Jul 30, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I see what you did there
clever ineed…My sarcasm detector fails at or near midnight
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for catching it ;-)
I’m flying to Tampa Bay tomorrow morning. I’ll have my computer with me to check trade updates throughout the day
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Jul 30, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
This weekend is the kind of series true baseball fans dream about
Two best teams in baseball…both playing good ball lately…trade deadline looming…HOF player chasing a milestone. Its not October, but if you can’t get up for this you don’t have a pulse.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not like he is logging a ton of innings. He has done 152 before
In one month when Durham’s season is done, he will be up with us and be around that number.
Last time I checked
Pena wasn’t doing do spectacular at 1B this year anyway.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Dunn is the one player I will not listen to rational judgement on...
I want him. I want him hard. And I don’t care what he costs. The fact that this guy has only been an all-star once, goes to expose the whole BS process. How has he not participated in a homerun derby? Hee Seop Choi! You have got to be kidding me.
(Yes, I’m being a bit fanatical, but the thought of Dunn in a Rays uni makes me think immoral thoughts.)
He's never played on a winner
CIN-ARI-WSH
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 30, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't want Dunn unless there's no other option
For reasons already stated before. And I certainly wouldn’t give up any of the starting rotation or Hellickson for him.
If we can get him for cheap, I wouldn’t mind it too much, but I’d rather not compromise the team’s defense for someone who is essentially Carlos Pena II (or, if we’re unlucky, Pat the Other Bat).
Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays
by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT
Hurm
On the other hand, according to Sherman, the Rays are “telling people” they are hesitant on Dunn for this very reason.
Could management be using this as leverage to get a better deal?
Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays
by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT
At this point...
…the team “needs” are DH and RP (not named Cormier and Choate), but at what cost?
Any chance we see Torres or McGee take the place of Choate this season?
Hellickson taking Cormier’s spot?
I think all 3 are untouhable cause they could help us this year in the pen (when rosters expand, if not before)
Sonny has trade value out there even though pitching in the pen…teams gladly took Hammel and Talbot to put in their rotations when they weren’t starters for us.
That leaves DH…if Dunn doesn’t want to, aren’t Scott and Willingham under control for another year? Those seem better fits if needed to play D.
On second thought
How bout that Hinske guy…that would book us the trip to the WS with his track record. Doubt Atlanta will deal with us though after we poached Aybar and Soriano from them though!
They didn't want Aybar with his drug problems and the fact he beats his wife
Hinske wouldn’t improve this team at all. And I disagree with everyone saying Sonny has much trade value. In a trade for Scott or Willingham, maybe, but I still have my doubts as to much he actually adds to the trade package. With Adam Dunn, I think the Nat’s will look for more quality players than Sonny. Sure, we only get Dunn for 60 days, but he’s one of the better offensive players in the league, and he has Type A status at the end of the year.
Who do they have in their rotation besides Strasburg whom is way better than Sonny?
they need SPs, Sonny could be like the next Hammel. If he gets traded to an NL team, I fully expect around a 4.00 ERA.
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by staplemaniac on Jul 30, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
agree and disagree
Hinske wouldn’t help this team…the joke was he’s been with the red sox (07) us (08) and the Yanks (09) the last 3 years and each team went to the WS. Will it happen for the 4th year with the Braves?
We’ve took a chance on Aybar and have got more from him than the Braves ever got from Switzer.
Sonny DOES hold trade value, but agree not in a deal for Dunn.
As for Type A compensation, we already will be receiving picks for CC and Soriano (Pena?), would you give up a premier prospect for 2+ months of Dunn and compensation?
In 2008
I wanted us to get Barry Bonds for the stretch.I will say the same here about Dunn.We are in the hunt,it is time to load the gun.But don’t use to much ammo we already have.
Per Adam Kilgore
http://twitter.com/AdamKilgoreWP/status/19938275722
Dunn willing to Dh for the rest of this season.
by Wade Davis, Pride of Lake Wales on Jul 30, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions
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