Countdown to the Trade Deadline: I Believe in Andrew Friedman
In the likely scenario that the Rays do not make a headline trade in the next few days, there certainly will be a fair amount of disappointment among the fan base. To be fair, the gripes will be legitimate, as there are plenty of talented players that would be a great fit for the Rays that are either available (Dunn, Willingham, Scott, to name a few) or have been available during the past month (Cliff Lee and Werth come to mind). Also, the Rays have a very deep system of prospects, as well valuable trade chips at the major league level. Just to add fuel to the fire, Stuart Sternberg came out and said that, "money won't be an object," when it comes to any in-season acquisitions. So with all this, why should we not be disappointed if the Rays are the same team on August 1st as they are today?
As has been said a thousand times, winning the division would be nice but the Wild Card has always been the more realistic option. To win the Wild Card, the Rays simply need to stay ahead of the Red Sox, which is looking more and more likely every day. From where the Rays and Sox stand (after the games on July 27th), if the Rays play to a 90-win talent level, they should reach 96 wins (61-38 current + 35-28). For the Red Sox to pull past the Rays and get to 97 wins (57-44 current + 40-21), they would have to play at a .656 level, or a 106 win team over the course of a full season.
In short, if the Rays play to what should be their true talent level, the Red Sox would have to put up a fairly super-human effort (especially considering their injuries) in order to catch up. For the Rays, another bat to fill out the lineup and replace the black hole that has been reclassified as a DH position would be fantastic, but is not strictly necessary. An Adam Dunn or a Luke Scott would increase the size of the ditch between the Rays and Sox, but the question we need to consider is simple: is it worth losing the prospects to widen a gap that the Red Sox may not be able to close? Or, is it worth making a trade when other solutions exist in-house (Hellickson in the pen, Matt Joyce in the DH slot more often)?
One other thing worth noting is the propensity of the Rays front office to only make a trade when the right deal is available. Overall, I trust Friedman and co. to make the right decisions with their prospects, as well as passing on players such as Dunn and Scott when the price is too high. Again, I would love to add a huge bat to the lineup, but the bottom line is that the Rays are good enough as is to make the playoffs this year without sacrificing the future.
To summarize, if the Rays do not make a trade by the end of the week, there is no reason to panic, scream bloody murder, or accuse the front office of being cheap, lacking a winning attitude, etc. They have the track record to be trusted, end of story. Of course, this is all not even considering any moves that could be made after the trade deadline, a la the Kazmir trade. A move like that could be enough to shore up the lineup or bullpen, or fill in the gap created by some unforeseen future injury. The possibilities are endless and the future is chaotic, but I think the smart money is on the Rays winning the Wild Card, regardless of whether or not they make any changes to their roster before the end of the season. Once in the playoffs, with their starting rotation, the Rays should have as good of a shot as anyone, which is all we can hope for as fans.
So now I leave it up to you: what does everyone think the Rays should do?
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I'm going to nit pick
Isn’t the trade deadline 4PM on Saturday?
by jwgator on Jul 30, 2010 8:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Matt wrote the article for Thursday, and I had to push it with the day game.
So it’s my bad….forgot to change the “in a few days”.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 30, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The last option shows that Matt will fit in perfectly.
He has an agenda, folks.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 30, 2010 8:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
How about a blockbuster?
Some combo of Hellickson/Davis/other prospects for a cheap stud signed to a long-term deal? Someone who’s cheap, so fits with the Rays. Basically just trading from a position of strength (pitching prospects) to weakness (hitting).
Maybe a young 1B stud (ideas?) Maybe a young CA stud (Any chance Carlos Santana could be pried away?) SS?
If we were gonna do a huge deal like that
The return would have to be Ryan Braun-esque and I don’t see that happening.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 30, 2010 8:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to KC for Billy Butler?
I’ve thought about the potential blockbuster a lot, and that’s the only possibility I can come up with.
by AndrewTorrez on Jul 30, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Butler's a good name, especially with KC having both Hosmer and Moustakas that need a position soon.
Guess he could still DH.
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
KILA MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Also JP Arencibia would be a sweet target. Hellickson + _______?
by Sky Kalkman on Jul 31, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Narwhal for Snider/Lind + Arencibia
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather use Dunn as leverage to get Scott. If he's really against DH'ing, which it sounds like he is.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 30, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions
I was thinking that last night
On the one hand, they seem to be using the “no DH” thing to lower Dunn’s price, but then they may also be using their supposed frontrunner status to get a better fit. Sneaky little hobbitses!
Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays
by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT
The market is completely imbalanced right now.
I’m down for standing pat unless we’re blown away by something good.
PLAY BALL DANG IT !!!!!!!
OUR PROSPECTS ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
What can I say, I’m childish and selfish like that. I don’t share. If anything, I like to collect extra prospects like Torres, rather than send them away. Joking aside, I’m happy to stand strong with what we’ve got.
If I remember correctly, many people here were pretty quick to write off the Red Sox as done earlier this season.
And lo and behold the Rays slumped and the Sox came roaring back. I hope it doesn’t happen, but it seems very naive to write off the Sox at this point. Keep in mind 2008, when it was neck and neck to the VERY end. The same could happen again with a wild card race.
There is a LOT of baseball left, folks.
I am specifically disagreeing with the author's argument that a super-human effort is needed for the Sox to overtake us.
All it takes is a few injuries, or the Sox to get hot. Keep in mind that they have kept up decently well despite more injuries than would seem possible!
Therefore, we need to do everything in our power to strengthen this team (if we want to win this year). The author’s argument about the Red Sox ignores empirical evidence, and takes for granted many games of uncertainty and possible injuries on our end.
Agreed
Its not probable for them to overtake us, but its the kind of thing that happens all the time.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
And your argument ignores that he said,
From where the Rays and Sox stand (after the games on July 27th), if the Rays play to a 90-win talent level, they should reach 96 wins (61-38 current + 35-28). For the Red Sox to pull past the Rays and get to 97 wins (57-44 current + 40-21), they would have to play at a .656 level, or a 106 win team over the course of a full season.
If you can predict injuries, I’d love to have your help with my fantasy football draft. Otherwise, go with a safe assumption of true-talent (this is a conservative estimate IMO, R33J, among others, had us as a 94 win team to start the season.) If we play to our ability then it would take a super human effort.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Defender of the truth, upholder of justice
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't ignore that. He's suggesting the threat is small, assuming his scenario--us playing at 90 talent level
comes to pass. That’s a risky assumption as I detailed above.
That's a good point, although I didn't advocate for Dunn
all I’m saying is that I would argue in favor of a trade despite the author’s argument, due to empirical circumstances, and the possibility of injuries, slumping or a Sox resurgence.
What is your point?
You can’t predict injuries, but in using a conservative approximation for talent level you can get a pretty good idea of what needs to happen for the Rays to have a spot.
I've been specific.
Try to read above first, and save the snark for yourself.
"All it takes is a few injuries"
“People had the Red Sox out of it” “We need to do everything to strengthen the team”. Be more specific. You haven’t named a single name or proposed any solutions, you’re just dismissing a pretty good model. Put forth some actual suggestions and I’ll maybe take you a little seriously.
The margin of error between an couple extra victories is so small in baseball
If the teams play at their preseason supposed true talent levels than that is really all that will be between us.
Go Gators!!
If this team plays .500 ball the rest of the way
We win 94 games. That’s a pretty safe assumption, even if someone gets injured or we slump. The Sox need to make up 5.5 games over that stretch, which means they’d have to go at least 36-25, a .590 winning percentage. Do-able? Yes. Likely? No. We’re still the odds on favorite to win the Wild Card…a trade would be great and I’m not arguing it wouldn’t, but it also isn’t a dire, dire need.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 30, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that it's a conservative estimate takes those thing into account.
Say we play as an 85 win team, we’d win 95 games (63+32), to get to 95 they would have to play at a .633 level to get to 96 wins. That’s a 103 win season, and frankly, they have shown they can do that for more than a couple weeks at a time. That’s assuming we’re a barely better than .500 team. Yes there is a likelihood that we play like shite and they catch on fire, but that is there only chance of catching us at this point, and even that isn’t very, umm, likely.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, using pace to prove a point in a smaller sample size is a quite a bit flawed
After all, the Rays have been playing 162 win ball over the past 6!
A few extra wins or losses will really sway the pace the team is on the next 60 or some games. The difference between a 105 win pace and a 90 win pace at this point is only a bit more than 5 wins. For the Sox they only need to win a bit more than 4 games more than their current pace to hit a 105 game pace in their remaining games.
The Rays losing a few more than their current pace, and the Sox winning a few more than their current pace is all that is needed. That is well within the realm of possibility. Nowhere near a superhuman effort.
Factor in that we are possibly playing above true talent, and the Sox are going to be getting healthy a few extra wins from their current pace and a few less than our current pace is closer to being expected than being superhuman.
Go Gators!!
And of course we are still the odds on favorite to win the wild card
It just isn’t a slam dunk like the author makes you believe.
And frankly, the goal is to win the WS. Making the playoffs just isn’t enough this year. Obviously we won’t be highly disappointed with the season that ended in say an ALCS loss, but Friedman and Sternberg are looking at the title.
Two totally different goals. Dunn doesn’t guarantee either. He boosts our playoff chances slightly, and boosts our WS chances by a bit more.
Go Gators!!
Well why don't I just drink from the toilet.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He'll be back.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to throw out a name
Ryan Spilboroughs – Right Handed Hitter that would make an ideal platoon partner with Joyce in Right field. Partially a Coors product, but has a lifetime .747 road OPS.
I haven’t been following the trade discussions too closely here, but noticed MTBTR said he may be available
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 30, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions
I remember we were thinking of trading for him in a previous season
Don’t remember if it was ’08 or ’09, but he would be a decent fit.
He'd give us yet another guy that can play CF, I liked him more a couple of years ago, his lustre has diminished in my eyes.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd be fine with that.
If he came cheap, then he’d be a good option. Decent defender in right. Career wRC+ of 120 against LHP (98 vs. RHP). In 546 PAs he’s been worth 19 offensive runs against lefties. That’s pretty good. He’s got a decent enough deal too as he’s set to make $1.95 mill. next year with one year of arb remaining afterward. He could also man left next year to delay Jennings’ arb. clock.
+1
He could also man left next year to delay Jennings’ arb. clock.
I’ve been thinking about how they would do that (ala Aybar at 3rd in ’08) and not have it look ridiculous, Spillboroughs makes it less insane to the outside world.
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 30, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Zo left, BJ center, Ulysses right?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 30, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Choose one
A- Trade for Dunn
B- Trade for a bat other than Dunn
C-Trade for a reliever
D- Do nothing
... on a calculator.
That all looks well and good, but the games are played on a field.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yesterday our line up included
Kapler, Shoppach, Bartlett, and Aybar ALL with less than a 700 OPS
I don’t like those odds going forward
When you have your true ace on the hill you can go forth with your weakest lineup just to give Vegas a tougher time.
Joe Maddon is the Pete Rose of our day.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like a move to be made today
so the player has an impact on this important series. While the WC is the most realistic goal, none of that is decided until this weekend is complete. A sweep or a series win changes the tone of the final 8 weeks.
by Jason Collette on Jul 30, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
agreed
There’s a material difference between playing whatever hobbled team wins the AL Central vs. playing a Texas team that will start Cliff Lee twice in a best-of-5 series.
by AndrewTorrez on Jul 30, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The author's goal seems to be to make the playoffs.
He neglects to acknowledge that a big bat would surely help us advance through the playoffs.
It would help
But winning in the playoffs is more about who gets hot IMO.
by Travis Lee on Jul 30, 2010 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes, that's basically what all I was trying to say
Either the strongest team can win, as the Yankees last year, or an 84 win Cardinals team can go all the way. Any team that makes the playoffs should have enough talented players to be able to get hot and win a couple of short series.
by Matt Slowinski on Jul 30, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
From MLBTR
9:46am: Sox GM Kenny Williams has something big cooking, tweets Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, and if he gets it done the Jackson deal is off
My gut says we might be involved here somehow
I hope we can get G-Bex, Hudson, and Flowers
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Kenny said G-Bex isnt being traded
by Travis Lee on Jul 30, 2010 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Baseball is strange, a few weeks ago we thought Konerko would be a great fit
Now the Sox are the buyers
Kenny doesn't know what he's doing until he irrationally does something
His track record is not as splotchy as his detractors would have you believe, but it’s far from spotless.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully this means we're getting E-Jax
Let the debate begin:
Sonny or E-Jax…who is the better long reliever?
Your source for replacement level commentary
The White Sox acquried Ejax
Fairly steep price IMHO
Go Gators!!
gotta believe there's more to come
is E-Jax much better than Hudson?
LOOOOOOOOOL
“The #Rays seem to be the leader in the #AdanDunn sweepstakes. #WadeDavis or #JamesShields plus a top farmhand could get a deal done Saturday”
by Jason Collette on Jul 30, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
Saw that. I'm not going to bother dignifying that as a "rumor"
It’s just crazy talk.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 30, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
also
if the Rays toss in Longo, that probably gets a deal done
by AndrewTorrez on Jul 30, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Shields is a #5 starter! What is Friedbrain doing!? Pull the trigger!
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Would have been funnier had you said Yields.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I was trying to go for the believable route, but then I can see how "Yields" could accomplish that.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Oh goody
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
How about a low-K bat?
I like Dunn and Scott in a vacuum, but I think the Rays would get more bang for the buck with a bat that strikes out at around 15% instead of 25% or 35%.
Answers:
1) Because hits become more valuable as OBP rises. So if you have a high OBP team, then adding a player who gets a lot of hits and especially doesn’t strike out pays out more. Look at the Yankees or Red Sox makeup. They both have low K guys who seem to outperform their individual numbers. We attribute it to “luck” but the reality is that team makeup matters.
2) Billy Butler is a great option.
i agree with you, the Rays have fallen so in love with OBP that
they’re willing to accept high K guys in exchange
I agree to a certain extent
But usually guys with a high OBP are going to K more — just due the fact they see more pitches. If you walk a lot, then you’re seeing more deep counts; thus, it increases your chances at striking out. I’m not saying that you can’t find a guy that walks and doesn’t K a whole lot, but it is easier said than done.
I agree
Guys who walk and don’t K are the best of the best. It is Pujols territory and there aren’t that many guys out there with that ability. If you scan down Fangraphs ranking by lowest K percentage and look for guys with a relatively high OBP, you get only amazing hitters.
Walks and K’s are both going to increase with pitches per plate appearance. Of course pitches per plate appearance is going to increase as Contact% goes down. It is hard to figure out what the balance is. Part of me actually thinks that through the quirks of baseball rules, it turns out that being a “good hitter” is actually overrated.
I still don't get what this has to do with strikeouts
It seems to me that you’re saying two things: 1) you’d like a guy who can “get a lot of hits” (i.e., has a high AVG), and 2) you’d like a guy who can “pay out more” in a high-OBP lineup (i.e., has a high SLG).
Neither of those attributes correlate to a player’s K-rate. At all.
I do agree with you that Billy Butler would be a great player to acquire, but he’d be a great acquisition even if he struck out 200 times a year.
by AndrewTorrez on Jul 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Renyolds
162 game avg 220k’s for his career with a .359 wOBA.
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 30, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
MVP
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
not in the majors it doesn't
K-rate is predictive of development in the minors; there’s no correlation that I know of in the majors.
Your 2010 MLB leaders in Ks:
1. Mark Reynolds 142
2. Adam Dunn 125
3. Justin Upton 120
4. Rickie Weeks 113
5. David Wright 112
6. Carlos Pena 109
7. Matt Kemp 108
8. Drew Stubbs 106
9. Ryan Howard 105
10. Austin Jackson 103
That’s 9 good-to-great players and one scrub.
by AndrewTorrez on Jul 30, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care about average
Average isn’t even a real stat. I care about balls in play (including HRs). I think the Rays at this point would benefit from someone who puts the ball in play a lot vs someone who doesn’t. Dunn only puts the ball in play 55% of the time. Butler puts the ball in play 78% of the time. Basically it is following through on their GTMI mantra by acquiring a player who is good at that.
My guess is that even though Dunn’s wOBA is higher than Butler’s, the Rays would score more runs with Butler than with Dunn because they have a relatively high OBP to Avg ratio (average for a team means more because of BABIP regression).
Homeruns aren't balls in play.
I’d say they produce a fair amount of runs.
Dunn is a better offensive player than Butler. The issue though is whether or not the Rays need a high-average guy (what you’re advocating). I personally wouldn’t mind another high OBP/power guy. I think it makes our lineup quite a bit better. Would Butler? Sure, but I still think Dunn helps provide a greater margin of offense.
You said this:
I still don’t get what this has to do with strikeouts
It seems to me that you’re saying two things: 1) you’d like a guy who can "get a lot of hits" (i.e., has a high AVG), and 2) you’d like a guy who can "pay out more" in a high-OBP lineup (i.e., has a high SLG).
Neither of those attributes correlate to a player’s K-rate. At all.
I do agree with you that Billy Butler would be a great player to acquire, but he’d be a great acquisition even if he struck out 200 times a year.
by AndrewTorrez on Jul 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on the fact that BABIPs hover around .300, two things can essentially give a guy a high batting average (outside of BABIP freaks):
1. Not striking out, and thus putting more balls in play. The more balls in play, the less “free outs” that hurt your average (i.e. strike-outs).
2. Hitting a lot of homeruns. Those balls aren’t in play, so they don’t hold to the same BABIP rules. Though generally high-HR guys are generally lower BABIP guys do to the fly balls.
Think of it like this:
Batting Average=Hits/At Bats
BABIP=(Hits-HRs)/(ABs-Ks-HRs)*
So holding BABIP relatively constant, there are two ways to increase your batting average: decrease Ks or increase HRs.
*We’re not including sac flies because that’s less a function of average.
Now the value of average is debatable, but to say batting average and Ks don’t correlate is wrong. Just looka t the list you provided. Low-average players with high K-rates.
Would you take him for practically nothing?
X marks the bat: The Cubs have been spreading word they would love to move Xavier Nady, for next to nothing, to a team looking for a bat off the bench or a guy to fill the right-handed half of a platoon in the outfield or first base. Nady’s 3-for-22 funk this month hasn’t helped his marketability. But it could be explained, in part, by the fact that his playing time has all but disappeared. And he’s a .296 career hitter against left-handed pitching, with a .367 on-base percentage and .816 OPS. So it wouldn’t be a shock to see him move in a minor deal in the next 24 hours.
So I should just change my sig to
I hate everyone of color, along with invalids, the old, and the retarded?
by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What's his contract look like?
and salary, if it’s more than through 2010?
Also...
Their catcher just got injured… and we happen to have a catcher that’s worth exactly “next to nothing”…. I’m liking this.
Xavier Nady
FA at end of season, $1.2M rest of season
Career .277/.332/.450 (not sure why your stats are different)
Can play RF or 1B, but I have no idea how well.
Berkman please
Stros traded for Brett Wallace to replace Berkman, plus he’s having a down year. We could get him for somewhat cheap (prospect wise) and get the Stros to take care of some of the 15 mil he’s owed next year.
Berkman would be nice.
Someone here proposed that the Rays trade for him then decline his option and offer arb.
Someone posted about a Moore for Willingham deal in the other thread
Any sources on taht?
Go Gators!!
I don't want to part with Moore. :(
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Bahaha, Doug got straight stuck
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the fact that this is all he has to go on.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
He's basically a ROOGY at this point
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling if we make a move it is going to be for a name no one is really talking about
maybe that is Scott, since no one in the media is talking about him, but I’d imagine it is someone completely off the radar.
Pujols
How about one of the Rockies catchers?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
lolz at pujols, I don't know much about the Rockies catchers
would you, or the Jays for that matter do a Wade Davis/Adam Lind swap?
I think I like Snider better and he should be back by the weekend. I'm biased to Davis, if I do that deal it's
Garza for Snider & Arrenciba & maybe one of those stud relievers.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I would be willing to give up Garza for that
Snider is under control for awhile right? either He or Joyce could DH if they can’t move BJ in the offseason.
I'm one, but I don't take polls seriously unless they are going to have thousands of responses.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the only way BJ gets moved is if we have another deal in place for an OF
his defense is worth enough to stay on the team this year, more likely he gets moved in the off-season
I don't think BJ is going anywhere, let alone for a reliever.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see him being moved if someone is in love with him
but it would have to be good value and we’d have to bring back a veteran OF, I don’t see Maddon wanting to go into a playoff run with an untested CF, no matter how highly he is regarded.
Beej for Pagan would make me permasmile
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Troll'd
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees are only taking Berkman OR Dunn, right?
In which case I would choose NOT to believe Gammons.
Berkman going to Yanks prob
4:20pm: The deal is “imminent,” according to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News (on Twitter).
Official
5:09pm: The deal is done and Berkman has approved it, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.






















