Justice: Lance Berkman Could Be Traded this Afternoon; Rays Interested
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 30, 2010 3:11 PM EDT
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Seems to be decent chance Lance Berkman gets traded this afternoon. Yanks seem be leader, but Rays, others interested.
And then Jayson Stark speculates that Berkman will most likely clear waivers, so could still be dealt after the July 31st trade deadline has passed.
It's been a busy day on the trade front, with Edwin Jackson getting dealt to the White Sox and rumors floating that he's being used to help the White Sox acquire Adam Dunn. Some people are saying the Nationals love E-Jax, while others are saying they don't want him. Who knows? The Rays haven't been linked with Adam Dunn much so far today, but anything is possible; remember that Texas wasn't rumored to be in on the Cliff Lee trade until the very last possible moment.
We've covered Lance Berkman's situation here before, and I don't see how he's a good fit for the Rays unless Houston eats a lot of his salary for this season or they agree that his 2011 option for $15M will not be picked up. Berkman has a full no-trade clause, though, so that might be tricky to work around. He's a talented player and would be a great offensive addition, so for the right price he would be a great fit. And it's always possible that the Rays are involved merely to keep the Yankees from acquiring him...or vice versa, I suppose.
In the end, odds are if the Rays do anything, they're going to surprise us by announcing a completed trade out of the blue. Only 25 hours and counting to go....
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I'd be cool with another Mcclung-Balfour-esque move this deadline, and nothing else.
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by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
We could keep them and still make a big trade
IMO Moore is untouchable, but we still have Colome, Barnese, Torres, Lobstein, Cobb, etc…
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is Mcgee untouchable? Injury risk with questions about secondary stuff.
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by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
Not him, WoW.
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by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
Only serious injury was TJ
I know the Rays are still having him start, but utimately I think he’ll end up as our closer. He’s not untouchable, but he is still a very good prospect that I would be hesitant to give up.
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
"Only serious injury was TJ"
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by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
TJ is not the career ending injury it used to be
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not career. It's not a great sign of things to come.
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by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
Career ending.
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by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
Id rather a pitcher get TJ early, rather than later
He’s still young.
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Of Course
Avoiding TJ is always nice too lol.
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, because sori ever approached anything like that '03 season after having TJS in '04.
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by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
I'd say 2010 is pretty damn close to his 2003 season, though admittedly his role has changed.
If you don’t like that example, there’s plenty of others, like Josh Johnson, but of course there’s plenty of examples of people who never came back. There are MANY factors to the effectiveness of TJ, but I think age and the organizations commitment to smart use and development of pitchers favor McGee as a sensible, low-cost/high-reward investment. If he turns out to be great, I’d rather our organization find out first.
He's too far down the food chain of prospects to be stingy with him. He would be my centerpiece in a dunn/berkman deal.
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by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
Fair enough.
It will be a few years before we know one way or the other.
From Joel Shermans blog....
I asked the executive of an AL team that I sensed could use a bat if he were interested in Lance Berkman and this is what he said: "Check out the home/road splits. Also, I worry about bringing someone from the NL Central into the AL."
Berkman has hit .287 at home this year with a .512 slugging percentage. But away from Minute Maid Park, Berkman was hitting .194 with a .343 slugging percentage. In addition, the switch-hitting Berkman has batted just .188 vs. lefties this year with one homer in 64 at-bats.
I'm not a huge Berkman fan
but if we can land him without giving up one of the big pieces (Moore, Deezy, Hellickson, and Davis) than I don’t mind. maybe we can give them Sonny + Colome
And judging by the Oswalt trade
Getting Berkman without giving up a huge piece is a possibility
by The Fennel Sauce on Jul 30, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially given that Oswalt is still pretty good
Berkman is very meh lately
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by Transplanted on Jul 30, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Berkman isn't a good fit because of his salary?
Money isn’t an issue remember. If we don’t have to give up Hellickson or Jennings there is no reason not to do this. Especially since hes the consolation prize in the Adam Dunn sweepstakes his price in prospects probably won’t be all that high.
I think he meant next years salary
He’s owed 15 mil with a 2 mil buyout. If the Stros help pay some of next years salary, this is realistic IMO. They did it with Oswalt, so they might be willing to do the same with Berkman.
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
Next year his price is $2 mill. We have a ton coming off the books. I’d way rather Stu and Co. sack up and pay the money rather than giving up more in prospects. They’ve traded for Wallace and gotten rid of Oswalt, so they’ve essentially shown their hand.
How much realistically is he worth to us?
Maybe not 15, but we need a 1b and Berkman is as good a choice as any.
He's still in AA
Not doing bad, but if he was going to replace Pena, wouldnt he be in Durham by now?
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
not necessarily he is still getting equipped to life in America as well
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the majors in September and than break camp with the team next year
I think they're trying to keep him as physically close to Tampa as possible.
He’s on the 40-man.
But he has a no trade clause
Odds are he won’t accept a trade without them guaranteeing to pick up his 2011 option.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 30, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What does it benefit him at all to do that anyway?
So he ends up looking like an ass, AND he still doesn’t get his option picked up?
I agree
But is Berkman a type A or B FA? And wouldn’t we have to offer him arbitration to get the draft picks?
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Bartlett, Sonny, and Colome for Dunn
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Where would Dunn play
He already said he doesnt want to DH. He’s not going to play the OF. Friedman said during the game the other day they wouldnt sacrifice the defense in a trade. His bat would be nice, but I dont see it happening.
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Pena's a GG 1B
Why take away his defense?
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The 1B is involved in more plays than everyone except the catcher
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at yesterdays game
One of the reasons we won was because Miggy botched 3 plays at 1B. Pena makes those plays, and so do other GG 1B. Dunn does not.
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care how many plays a 1B messes up, you don't win many games when you score 2 runs
Use a bigger sample.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Its an example, not a statistic
Come playoff time, every game counts. Allowing extra base runners and extra outs will come back to bite you in the ass, especially in the playoffs. We still need to get there first tho. We cant be giving up games defensively is the point.
by dannythegreat on Jul 30, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunn isn't a complete incompetent against lefties, that also needs to be factored in
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunn has a WAR of 3.0
Just because he isn’t as good defensively doesn’t mean he causing losses. And he wouldn’t play every game at 1B — probably just enough to keep him happy.
Just doesn't seem to be worth the defensive downgrade to me
to have a guy in the lineup with essentially the same hitting profile as the guy he’s replacing. I wouldn’t mind him at DH, but not 1B
lol, that's true...
But I haven’t heard any rumors about the Yankees putting Jeter on the block. I’d do the straight up trade if the Yanks pick up some of his salary ;)
Strikeouts are only slightly more damaging than regular outs. Get over it.
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by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
Offensively, you're right.
I have no problem with a 3 true outcomes power hitter, but he better bring something to the table. If he’ll DH, then great. That’s what we want at DH. But if he insists on replacing another 3 true outcomes player with better defense, it’s not worth it.
Dunn is better than Pena offensively
You can’t attempt to dumb it down by calling both of them “3 outcome players.” And then you imply because they both are, Pena is better because he has a better glove.
I didn't imply that it was an offensive wash.
Offensively, obviously Dunn has had a much better season, and a better career, but it’s not HUGE
Pena: .244 .353 .497
Dunn: 251 .382 .523
My point
was I’d like them both on the team, with Dunn at DH. If he won’t DH, there are better options.
I agree
But, if the price were right and he was OK with DHing part of the time, then I would let him have a few starts at first. There are better options, but how many of those options are really available? I would love to have a guy like Luke Scott, but it sounds like the O’s are done dealing.
Agreed.
But it depends on 1. the price and 2. the number of games you play him at 1st. We’ve still got a couple games against the O’s, right?
It's moot now.
now it’s just about the price.
You put him at DH, if he walks off the team he doesn't get paid
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
if we can somehow put bartlett in a deal and give him any value that is perfect
I’d have no problem giving an open 40 man spot to Elliot Johnson and letting him be the 25th man, very versatile and more importantly gritty.
I don't want any more non-DH drama.
Either they are comfortable with it or I don’t want them here to do it. I’m also not cool with losing Pena’s glove at 1B.
Fuck them, you're being paid a ton of money to do what you're told. Go out and do it for the good of the team.
Longo hooking him up with some 10s could change a lot of minds.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Like...?
None of these guys WANT to DH, a few of them are team-players and less concerned about their next check. You put him at DH and if he walks off the team you don’t have to pay him and still get the 2 picks.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? He's never been a full time DH and he's going from a pitching-bereft division to the AL EAST
Good luck Yanks.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Gimme Dunn or gimme death
JB, Colome, & Sonny
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You can solve the DH issue (haven't heard Berkman vocal on the issue)
and can offer arb and get picks or have 1B locked up for 2011.
no interesting omissions to the starting line-up
Joyce, Bartlett, Brignac, Aybar, Davis all still in there.
of course they are bankrupt!
just like how people on welfare buy boos and ciggerettes
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Jul 30, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't have to pay for these boos
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
2010 Trade Deadline Primer --> http://dockoftherays.com/2010/07/03/2010-trade-deadline-primer/
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why I'm still rooting for Werth
Everyone seems to have stopped talking about him, so now there’s actually a chance the Rays actually trade for him!
That boat sailed when Victorino got hurt
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by Transplanted on Jul 30, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but that's why we'd never see it coming!
I’m realistically rooting for Dunn now
by Matt Slowinski on Jul 30, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikes out ALOT
hmmm sounds like he fits this team well
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by Gone Phishing on Jul 30, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
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Adam McCalvy
Corey Hart is back in the #Brewers starting lineup. Had missed five games with a thumb injury.
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by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply Unrec? 4
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Joelsherman1
1. Berkman has a complete no-trade clause, but hear that would not be problem if it is #Yankees
#Yankees are definitely in for Lance Berkman, considering him seriously
I would imagine it would take a deal falling through (ala the Haren deal)
for the Yankees not to end up with Berkman, and I don’t see them making another move besides that one.
I wonder how much the guys on Durham are concentrating on the deadline
not only if they get moved but any of Ruggiano, Jennings, Elliot Johnson, Dan Johnson, Hellickson, Abreu, Swindle could get called up depending on if anything happens
I really think that a move could be made even if we don't acquire anyone
Maybe the reason we haven’t brought up DJ yet is because if we did end up acquiring a player then we would have to DFA him or if he is playing well then DFA someone else.
I wonder if a guy like DJ or even a reliever will be brought up after the deadline
No, I don't think catcher is a position of concern in the least
And I definitely wouldn’t give up Davis and Jaso for Montero.
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The Yankees are telling teams they can take on salary, but don’t want to hand over prospects, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. They’re now taking a long, hard look at Berkman.
if you want to get angry
just take a look at the Yankees payroll, and realize the Rays couldn’t afford even one of the first 12 guys on the list.
by AndrewTorrez on Jul 30, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I just did a quick calculation of the team that they trot out everyday...
assuming a SP, Reliever, Joba, Mariano, Fielders, DH.
It only comes to 160,000,000
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 30, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No there's a huge difference.
Berkman is owed like $7 mill. If we could re-sign CC for that I’d be all for it.
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Dunn says he’d be comfortable DHing for the rest of the year, according to multiple reporters, including Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post (Twitter link). That is music to the ears of White Sox, Rays and Yankees fans.
From Collette
sherman – Hearing Berkman deal from #Astros to #Yankees is on verge of completion
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The Yankees are on the verge of acquiring Lance Berkman, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (on Twitter). ESPN.com’s Buster Olney hears that the Steinbrenners have given pre-approval for the Yankees to take on a major salary such as Berkman’s (Twitter link).
Go figure they would approve taking on major salary.
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4:20pm: The deal is “imminent,” according to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News (on Twitter).
Ken Rosenthal
A twist on Berkman: Due to his 10-5 rts, trade to #Yankees would not be official until after expiration of 24-hr window (MORE) #Astros #MLB
Source says he gave approval earlier today, so everything should be OK. But official word would not be until Sat. aft. #Astros #Yankees #MLB
He can rescind at any point during 24-hour window, but source doubts that will happen. Announcement likely tmrrow aft. #Astros #Yankees #MLB
More on Rays/Dunn
Berkman to #Yankees could put #Nationals in bind with Dunn. Nats lose big potential suitor. #WhiteSox can hold out for (MORE) deal of their liking. #Rays can’t be sure Dunn will succeed as DH after failed expriment w Burrell. #Nationals might be stuck. #Yankees #MLB
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5:09pm: The deal is done and Berkman has approved it, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
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