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Rays Complete Series Victory Over Twins; Ride Longoria, Rodriguez to 7-4 Win

Here's a riddle: what does changing the page of a calendar have to do with winning baseball games? If anyone finds an answer to that question, let me know because I'm mystified. Obviously calendars and months have no effect on the games being played on the field, but tell that to the Rays. After a disastrous June, the Rays are now 3-1 in July and went 4-2 on a road trip that included both Boston and Minnesota. I don't care what the reason was, just as long as the Rays are winning.   

For the second day in a row, the Rays' bats decided to come alive in the final three innings. For the first six innings, Evan Longoria and Sean Rodriguez provided all the Rays' offensive punch, teaming up to score a run in the first (S-Rod single, Longoria triple) and with Rodriguez hitting a solo home run in the third inning on a ball that just barely cleared the left field fence. In the seventh inning, though, all heck broke loose.

Star-divide

To start he seventh inning, Carlos Pena did something he hasn't done often enough: beat the shift with a line-drive single to right field. (And as an added bonus, Pena singled to left field in his at bat in the eighth, something we've seen even less often). BJ Upton followed that up with a single of his own, setting the stage for Jason Bartlett to put down a sacrifice bunt that was mishandled and thrown away by Nick Blackburn, allowing Pena to score. Carl Crawford then walked, Evan Longoria singled, and Gabe Kapler hit a pinch-hit double. For all the flak that Kapler has taken recently, he finally got a big hit against a lefty. Regression rocks (the good kind, at least).

On the pitching side of things, the game followed a familiar storyline: James Shields pitches well for six strong innings, but is left in for an inning too long and lets in multiple runs. Oh, and tell me if you heard this one before: the Rays' bullpen slammed the door closed. Just a week ago, it felt like the Rays would get this kind of pitching performance but not be able to score any runs, so it's nice to have the offense and pitching line up for an overall well-played game.

Other Thoughts:

  • The Twins' television announcer (darn MLB.tv...) kept calling James Shields "Scot" Shields. My reactions went something like this: first time, mild humor; second time, mild annoyance; third time, "What the %#@()?" It's one thing to get a name wrong once or twice, but geez.
  • Speaking of Shields, he pitched well but I was a bit concerned about the few amount of bats he missed. Shields typically isn't a high strikeout pitcher, but only two strikeouts all game? Only four swinging strikes (and only two on the change-up)? I'll take the win, but it wasn't Shields's most dominant start.
  • Delmon Young is being considered for the All-Star Game? What planet is this?
  • Boston lost and the Yankees won, so the Rays are still two back from the division but only a half a game behind the Red Sox. Somehow, I sense that this upcoming series is going to be a big one...

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Great to see a nice series win from this team.

Going into this road stand, I would have been happy to have been 3-3. The Sox and the Twins are a tough slate, even if it is just 6 games. And yet, they come out of the stretch winners. In fact, the games they lost could have been won. If Shields doesn’t throw that fastball to Ortiz, and Crawford comes up with a hit in the bottom of the 9th, who knows what would have happened? Not saying they should have won those games, but it was nice to see this team be successful in July.

Pieman? Must be Navarro's account.

A ha ha

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2010 8:37 PM EDT

by Pieman93 on Jul 4, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Without looking it up I would think the twins are a high contact team that doesn't whiff much

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 4, 2010 7:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

But Shields was scary weak during seventh inning

I believe Shields or Davis need to get better quick or we may struggle a bit. I do not expect grand slams from Joyce or continued errors from opposing pitchers to lead to big innings. We need quality starts from Shields and/or Davis to sustain winning streaks. I wonder if Hellickson will be called up if Davis has another poor outing?

by Raysball Fan on Jul 4, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

do starting pitchers always go all 9?

I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?

by pudieron89 on Jul 4, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is why god invented bullpens

No team relies on their starters to pitch 9 inning every single game.

by Karandrs on Jul 4, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're ok with this trend

James Shields
Yr ERA FIP
07 3.85 3.56
08 3.56 3.82
09 4.14 4.02
10 4.83 4.06

by sternfan1 on Jul 5, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

well you're never happy. we won, stop bitching.

I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?

by pudieron89 on Jul 5, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

After looking it up the Twins have the second lowest swstr% as a team and 5th lowest o-swing% of all MLB teams, while having the 2nd best contact%

I wouldn’t beat Shieldsy up too much over the swstr% of that one game, but if he gets the same results vs. a team like Toronto, then I might heap on him a little bit.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 5, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

No reason to shit on the team right now, we're looking good

Great road trip against two playoff-looking teams. Acceptable outings from all the starters, a few mistakes, but some nice offensive showings on this trip minus Price’s start.

I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?

by pudieron89 on Jul 4, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

On a positive note, we found our second baseman.

I see Zobrist as a super utility next year playing LF, RF and a little 1B

by sternfan1 on Jul 4, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Zobrist's defense is wasted at 1B

He could play +10-15 defense in LF/RF but I doubt he could play +20-25 defense at 1B

by benderbrodriguez on Jul 5, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt he's even above agerage at 1B long-term

Too short, too right handed, And unfortunately, UZR just doesn’t measure 1Bs properly.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 5, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Pena's 6'2"

Youk is 6’1" and right handed.
Pujols is 6’3" and right handed.

I’m sure there are plenty more examples of this, but this is what I know off the top of my head.

by Travis Lee on Jul 5, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zobrist is a better player than Rodriguez, but more to my point:

Sean Rodriguez: 2.9% BB, 28.6% SO, .161 ISO, .330 wOBA = Sunshine and lollipops
B.J. Upton: 11.5% BB, 27.2% SO, .172 ISO, .332 wOBA = HE SUCKS

P.S.: They’re both 25 years old.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Rodriguez is in his first full MLB season--BJ??

Sean Rodriguez since he’s been given regular playing time has shown to be improving, especially power numbers—BJ??

Sean Rodriguez as a second baseman can put up exceptional power numbers—BJ as an OFer??

by sternfan1 on Jul 5, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

to me it looks like they put up relatively similar power numbers,

BJ with the slight edge. as a CFer.

I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?

by pudieron89 on Jul 5, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Rodriguez

April/May PA 94 K 34x
Since June 1 PA 112 K 21

OPS
April 551
May 642
Jube 826
July 1053

by sternfan1 on Jul 5, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

he put the number after the stat so that it reads in a complicated fashion

I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?

by pudieron89 on Jul 5, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still mystified at how you pick and choose which players you love compared to those you critcize.

I don’t remember if you hated Price or not last year, but Davis is going through similar struggles. Fun fact, though: He gets to 0-2 25% of the time, same as Price, and more than any other Rays’ starter. He’s just not finishing.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's encoraging to me

i know you’ll disagree but i like Davis’ upside more than Shields, who i think is a washed up SP at 28

by sternfan1 on Jul 5, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Washed up SP generally post 4.06 FIP ...

If Davis comes close to being James Shields over the next five years we’re in good shape.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why the focus on ISO?

Just a question.

I’ve seen you point to ISO several times in support of BJ. Why?
Doesn’t ISO only tell a small part of the story?

by tallyray on Jul 5, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not focusing on ISO.

He’s hitting for more power than he has since 2007.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a stat you've point out several times recently when talking about Upton.

Not criticizing, just wondering why.

Sure he’s hitting for more power but his base hits have plummeted.

In 2007 his percentage of hits that were XBH was 35%. In 2010 it is 48%. Looks good, but the increase has come at the expense of actually getting on base.

I’m not sure the power increase is a good thing.

by tallyray on Jul 5, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correlation != causation.

Check his BABIP on GB/LD alike. I don’t believe he’s getting on base less because he’s hitting for more power. And if he is, that screams bad luck.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was more to point out why ISO is incomplete...

And seems cherry picked.

But my last statement didn’t help much.

Comparing Rodriguez and Upton based on ISO is silly as it leaves out a huge chunk of why BJ has been unsuccessful.

BABIP may be a little better at explaining differences… Upton: .287, Rodriguez: .356

by tallyray on Jul 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

But my point was even if you ignore BABIP B.J. has played better than Rodriguez.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why I orginally wondered why ISO was used..

It just seems like it doesn’t belong with the other stats since it means so little out of context.

I do agree with the overall point.

The funny thing is that Rodriguez is actually doing worse at the things that people are so mad at Upton for. He sees less pitches (barely), strikes out more, and chases more pitches out of the zone.

by tallyray on Jul 5, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ's worst enemy is himself

His talent is enormous and the expectations were high. Against what we all thought or what we all think he should be, he is a disappointment. He is still a very good player though.

A player can be a disappointment yet still be extremely valuable.

Go Gators!!

by matthan on Jul 5, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's way too early to start calling July a success.

If we’re still riding this streak on the 24th instead of just the 4th, then I won’t argue.

by Elasticman on Jul 5, 2010 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

The horrific late May/June swoon started with the Sox at home

and it also started on my birthday so i want to apologize for being born.

by Randy Tutelage on Jul 5, 2010 2:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Couldn't ask for a better matchup

Lester and Lackey have already pitched so it’s Doubront, Wakefield, and Dice K and a depleted Red Sox offense. Rays absolutely have to take at least 2 games in this thing.

by Jason Collette on Jul 5, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

This sounds too good to be true

Like the projected pitching match up between two Cy candidates that winds up 11-10

by sternfan1 on Jul 5, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, didn't we miss Beckett during the home sweep, too?

Can not underestimate the Red Sox. No matter who is injured. As long as they have Youk, they can do anything, AFAIC.

PLAY BALL DANG IT !!!!!!!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 5, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely

Garza starting the series off is good given his track record vs Boston but they got to him last time here too including that HR on one knee from Beltre.

by Jason Collette on Jul 5, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is amazing how steroids can improve players performance(Beltre and Ortiz?)

Beltre and Ortiz improved beyond belief since first month. What gives-steroids? Of course I am speculating here.

by Raysball Fan on Jul 5, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course you are speculating here, it's kind of an unwritten rule that we don't say things as stupid as this here

Speculate about awful trade scenarios, but linking someone to steroids based on a run of good performance is really, really, really stupid.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 5, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

We are talking about David Ortiz here

His name deserves to be tarnished. I’m all for leaving Beltre out of it, but I have no issues with linking Ortiz to OBL.

Go Gators!!

by matthan on Jul 5, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah and Ben Zobrist was on steroids last year, right?

Stop looking for reasoning behind every little hot streak/slump. Especially when that reasoning leads to dragging players’ names through the mud because you can’t fathom that sometimes players play above or below their head because of luck or various other reasons.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry about the comment

I believe Manny and Ortiz juiced at the same time and the timing of Ortiz and Beltre improving simultaneously made me think-bad comments.

by Raysball Fan on Jul 5, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Rodriguez must be on steroids since he's playing better too

So is Balfour after last year’s disappointment. Luckily Benoit is still on steroids. Crawford juiced up and has been on a tear lately.

See how this could go on and on? Baseball has one of the strictest testing policies in sports, and using a players good fortune/hot hitting as evidence that they are using PEDs is just asinine. Some players get hot, and some players have career years. Beltre has had an entire season far better than this half where he had 48hr and an OPS over 1.000. I’m not saying this performance from him was expected, since he hasn’t even come close to approaching those numbers in years since, but he is capable of putting up those kid of numbers. There is no reason to defame a player just because they get hot.

by Travis Lee on Jul 5, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beltre was hitter's purgatory in Seattle

Fenway is the perfect fit for what he does. In a more neutral park, it would be different but he went from hell to heaven this off-season.

by Jason Collette on Jul 5, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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