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Rays Overcome Four Run Deficit, Defeat Sox 6-5


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It started well. Got out of hand quickly. But ended happily.

After Matt Garza escaped a jam in the top of the first inning, the Rays had a run home and another runner in scoring position after two batters in the bottom half. Unfortunately, Garza would put them back in another jam. And then an early hole.

As inconsistent as the offense has been, Matt Garza's pitching has been just as up and down. Garza appearance in this one would be brief. He lasted just three innings allowing four runs on seven hits and two walks. He struckout just one batter and managed to throw 84 pitches in such a short amount of time.

The strangest part about Garza's start is for 2.2 of his three innings of work, he held the Red Sox to just two hits and no runs. Working for that elusive ninth out of the game, Garza worked a full-count to Eric Patterson. The 10-pitch at-bat ended when Patterson took Garza deep for a solo home run. From there Garza melted down to the tune of a: walk, triple, single, single, single, showers.

Andy Sonnanstinecame in to game hoping to stabilize the Red Sox during in the middle innings of the game - giving the Rays offense a chance to get back in the game. However, he too committed the cardinal sin of allowing a home run to Eric "way back" Patterson. On the other hand, Sonny did the job that was asked of him.

The Rays scored two runs in the fifth inning, and scored two more in the sixth to chase Daisuke Matsuzaka. With the bases loaded and no outs in the sixth, John Jasostepped to the plate. We talk a lot about Jaso's plate discipline and trained batting eye - just look at his walk rate - but this particular at-bat was fantastic. After falling behind 0-2, Jaso took two very tantalizing pitches on the outside corner for balls. He would take another ball to load the count. Matsuzaka would make a fine 3-2 pitch, but Jaso spoiled it off for a foul. On the next pitch, Jaso went up the middle for a two-run single to tie the game.

I find it no coincidence that during this part of the game, Rafael Soriano was doing some sort of dance (stretch?) routine in the Rays Dugout. Once the Batman does his magic, the runs come. From there, Ben Zobristsuccessfully executed a squeeze bunt, only Laz Diaz blew the call and ruled Jason Bartlett out. Question the decision all you want, the human element failed once again costing the Rays the go-ahead run.

The Rays bullpen would be tested in the seventh inning as Way Back Patterson laced a one-out double of Grant Balfour. With David Ortizup, Joe Maddon faced a familiar decision; walk Ortiz intentionally and face Kevin Youkilis, or take the chance with Ortiz. We know what happened last week, however, this time Maddon chose the four-finger pass. After an unintentional walk to Youkilis, Balfour registered a big strikeout of Adrian Beltre. As J.D Drew was announced Maddon made the move to the much maligned Randy Choate. On this night, with the bases loaded, two-out, Choate delivered with a swinging strikeout of the Red Sox right fielder.

Laz Diaz denied Jason Bartlett from being the go-ahead run in the 6th, nevertheless Karma would have its way in the seventh. With B.J. Uptonstanding 90 feet away from home plate and one out, Bartlett hit a flyball to right field for the go-ahead sac-fly. The Rays would turn it over to the one-two punch of Joaquin Benoitand Rafael Soriano to preserve the 6-5 victory.

The win pushes the Rays past the Red Sox in the American League East standings into sole position of second place and the AL wildcard.

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this was a huge game

one of the biggest of the year….the last month++ has been frustrating…it was almost like the bullpen + the offense was like damnit and finally got it together.. if the team can at least split the last 2 here and beat down cleveland I will have a lot of confidence in the rest of the year.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 5, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

OT:

Unofficial report says Cliff Lee has been traded to Minnesota. Yikes.

by NY Tyler on Jul 5, 2010 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh oh. I hope that's unverified.

Pieman? Must be Navarro's account.

A ha ha

by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2010 8:37 PM EDT

by Pieman93 on Jul 5, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unverified

But mentioned twice on MLB Network just now. I imagine they don’t just let any old person give them tips

by NY Tyler on Jul 5, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

they and the mets have been the leaders so no big shock.

I’m glad the Twins actually made …..seemingly a productive move for once

by Dbullsfan on Jul 5, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Twins got him

Glad it’s AFTER our series lol

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Jul 5, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although

Cy Young winners=loser to Rays lol

They seem to do a better job beating Sabathia, Halladay, Lee, Greinke than regular guys

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Jul 6, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes
The Rays have signed reliever Brian Shouse to a minor league deal, according to Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times (via Twitter). Shouse will rehab his injured knee with the club’s affiliate in the Gulf Coast League.

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 5, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Benoit, Balfour, and Choate are death to lefties and can actually get righties out as well

I would hate to see us go back to the days of 2 Loogy’s eating up our bench

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 5, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

If he comes up 9/1/10, I’m fine with it. Otherwise he’s just taking the spot of a superior pitcher.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 5, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was horrible last year

I don’t remember my exact arguement but I know I absolutely hated have two loogies….because last year Cormier was great against LH as well.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 5, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This can't be true.

Shouse shouldn’t even sniff the major league roster unless Choate is hurt.

In my day lots of messy tissues over her

by sternfan1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:30 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Jul 6, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can live with that.

In my day lots of messy tissues over her

by sternfan1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:30 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Jul 6, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, what happened.

On the GT the game and the Rays’ season were over in the 3rd inning, so i went out for dinner (Pac. Time).

Big game for your guys tonight!

by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 5, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently we still have life until the next time we are trailing

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 5, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

bahahahaha Brian Shouse is back

Someone in the Rays organization owed him a favor i guess

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Jul 5, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

On Longo's HR drought--not his fault

w/o a clean up hitter no team will allow him to beat them with a big fly

by sternfan1 on Jul 5, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

This is absurd

He’s still getting pitches. He’s just missing them.

by Not Whole View Gang survivor on Jul 6, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Longo is absolutely still getting pitches

Until we start seeing Bonds-ian levels of BB, the “pitching around” thing is overrated. Longo is getting himself out, and he’ll get it right soon enough. Very glad to hear he’s sitting out the Derby.

by gatorman2k2 on Jul 6, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kudos to Choate on K-ing JD Drew with the bases loaded

That moment was huge, basically game over after that, and Drew is always a tough out in high Li situations

by benderbrodriguez on Jul 6, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

Balfour got into that mess. And when he left there was still one to be cleaned up. So no kudos for him.

by benderbrodriguez on Jul 6, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got into that mess against the toughest part of the order

And he came back to strike out the red hot Beltre with a runner on third and < 2 outs. It wasn’t his best outing by any means, but he didn’t fold the way many others have.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 6, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude had a 5-win season last year

I don’t see how he’s getting overlove there

by benderbrodriguez on Jul 6, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that still holds very true

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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 6, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some people just don't regress

I’m starting to think Niemann could be one of those. Same with Shields giving up the long ball

by SRQman on Jul 6, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Niemann's vast amount of pitches may be allowing him to keep it in the park

When a guy has like 8 different pitches, hard to know what’s coming. Shields’ problem is the FB-gotta alter the usage.

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Jul 6, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same effect as the change

A splitter isn’t different enough from a change up, so I can’t see that helping him much.

by Travis Lee on Jul 6, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Downward action yes

but different speed and depth. Maybe something like improving his two seamer would help, but it doesn’t seem like he’s ever been able to throw it well. If not a splitter than maybe try to throw a fastball with some run. He needs something that looks like his four seamer but has significant action.

by firemangreg on Jul 6, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He needs to find a way to improve his fastball. Of course, that’s easier said than done, but that would be the biggest boost. He needs to throw a high velocity pitch to keep the hitters honest, but his current fastball just isn’t that good. This year he has thrown his two seamer as much as the four, but it just doesn’t have enough downward movement to induce the groundball. Plus he throws his fastball down the pipe too much.

His cutter doesn’t look bad when watching it, but hitters don’t seem to offer at it. Don’t know what gives there.

by Travis Lee on Jul 6, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC

Shields has never had a dominating fastball. As you’ve said, the two seamer doesn’t has enough movement and the cutter doesn’t generate whiffs so maybe something with some run will work, at least against righties. The only reason I suggested a split is that it would resemble both his fastball and change, but have different movement and depth than both. Bottom line is he needs something with movement.

by firemangreg on Jul 6, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about using his curveball once in a while both for strikes and out of the zone

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 6, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did this last year with some success.

I don’t know if he’s lost confidence in it or what, but he hasn’t thrown it nearly as much. It would give hitters something else to think about, but I don’t know if it would be as effective as something that looks more like his FB.

by firemangreg on Jul 6, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Locating it better would help

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 6, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very is somewhat a stretch

HR/FB is what is most frequently pointed to number for Niemann. He is at 9.2% career which would rank him 11th of 28 qualified AL Pitchers over the past 3 calender years. His ERA this year has benefitted from an 86% strand rate, so regression should be expected but he has proven to be a steady rock.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 6, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he's just effective out of the stretch?

I mean I know he’s a slooooooooow pitcher and easy to steal on, but maybe with that lack of speed comes the consistency to not get riled up under higher pressure. He is a pretty cool guy as compared to Garza or Price who can let a bad ump call or big play ruin their nights. Even when Niemann gives up big hits I don’t think they often turn into big innings against him, at least none that I can recall this season.

I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?

by pudieron89 on Jul 6, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

He is cool as a cucumber and his awkward frame and good stuff are the things I like most. Obviously he’s not going to be an ace, but he’s a good pitcher nonetheless.

by firemangreg on Jul 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this is in reference to his strand rate, 86% is not sustainable

Best strand rate over 3 years is Jon Lester at 77%, worst 65.8%.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 6, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

it may not be sustainable

but that doesn’t mean it’s due for a whopping dose of regression. if he went back to average (whatever that may be, he’s only in his second full year so we don’t really know) he could still post around or >75% if he stays consistent and our defense plays well.

I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?

by pudieron89 on Jul 7, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great move by Joe

taking out Garza early and giving us a chance to come back.

by Landlord on Jul 6, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes

I was skeptical of taking him out at 83 pitches but Joe was managing to win and a win he got

by benderbrodriguez on Jul 6, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the Sox would be soft with their injury trouble of late, but they're still a scary team in spite of that

Glad we were able to pull it out in the end. I figured with Dice-K on the mound we at least had a fighting chance.

In my day lots of messy tissues over her

by sternfan1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:30 AM PDT

by IntrepidX on Jul 6, 2010 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

this the same team you said you absolutely loathed

and wouldn’t mind if they never won again?

I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?

by pudieron89 on Jul 6, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

didn't sound like you had any respect for them whatsoever the other day

I may respect some of their players, but I am more in line with what you said the other day. I would rather them lose every series they play that isn’t against a team from the Bronx.

I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?

by pudieron89 on Jul 6, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great win for the Rays

On a side note, i really want to curb stomp the dude in the Arby’s “Ka-Boom” commercials.

by Randy Tutelage on Jul 6, 2010 1:16 AM EDT reply actions  

What a win

Real chance for a sweep now. I dont wanna get ahead of myself but this was probably the best pitching matchup the Sox had and Im still not sure how we came back. I was sure we were dead. I hate to keep harping on this, but I love how tough this team is. Ill never commit to it, but we should never count ourselves out of game. 08 anyone?

by BJ the Bossman on Jul 6, 2010 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Coincidence?

The win streak seems tied to the Longo/Upton feud and Upton’s subsequent “injury” that’s kept him from being an “everyday” player. Just sayin’

by fuber on Jul 6, 2010 8:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Just sayin' that

this is retarded.

I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?

by pudieron89 on Jul 6, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Upton sitting isn't a plus for this team. Not even close.

The real positive has been Joyce. He has been a significant upgrade.

Back to BJ, I’m all for him sitting a bit more. Not a total platoon, but I have no issues with a Zobrist/Joyce OF vs a tough righty.

Although to be honest the best lineup vs a tough righty would be BJ/Joyce, and Brignac/Zobrist. But my assumption is that Joe is going to start MVB against righties for some unknown reason.

With Joyce I do think he should get the bulk of the AB’s vs lefties as well. Yes he may struggle, but he needs to see them and practice against them. Platooning a young player with such potential can be problematic as it essentially becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Go Gators!!

by matthan on Jul 6, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Either call up Dan Johnson or put Pena back in the 4 hole

and leave him there. Maybe he’ll get streaky again but at least he knows how to take pitches, not like Aybar who was so fooled by Dice-K it was silly.

by sternfan1 on Jul 6, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Totally disagree with Pena being moved back to 4

Maybe he will get streaky again, but we can’t keep hoping for that when he comes up in big spots and fails to produce. I hope he turns it around as much as the next guy, but his approach has been awful lately. Pena looks lost at the plate, so maybe being in the back end of the order will help take the pressure off of him so he’s not trying to do so much. I don’t necessarily think Aybar should be cleanup either. I like Jaso, Rodriguez, and Joyce up around cleanup; I would probably have SRod at 5 though to help keep it righty-lefty-righty.

by Travis Lee on Jul 6, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a bad month, it happens

wOBA by month

April .373
May .226
June .396

It seems worse because his value is derived from less events than other players due to his power. For

And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 6, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will never understand certain Rays fans' infatuation

with AAAA caliber players such as Dan Johnson, Hank Blalock, and Kevin Witt. They’re 29-30 years old and in the minors for a reason.

Hello.

by killa3312 on Jul 6, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Because it is all upside and no downside

When you have a black hole at the MLB level and a tremendous performer in AAA what is the worst that can happen? You can’t get much worse than a black hole

Go Gators!!

by matthan on Jul 6, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

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