John Jaso: The Californian God of Walks
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 8, 2010 10:30 AM EDT
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A couple months ago, it was easy to write off John Jaso's fast start as just that - a fast start. His walk rate was insane (25%) and he was tearing the cover off of the ball to the tune of a .509 wOBA (Weighted On-Base Average), and even the most optimistic among us didn't think he'd be able to keep up that pace. Heck, nobody outside of Barry Bonds puts up numbers like that and sustains them over the course of a season; it's just too superhuman to be real. And so I decided to see what time would tell - once he'd been around the league a bit and pitchers had begun to adjust to him, how good would Jaso be?
The answer, it appears, is still pretty darn good. We'll get to all of his numbers in a second, but first, marvel at these walk and strikeout rates:
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No. |
MLB Rank* |
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BB% |
15.70% |
11th |
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K% |
10.40% |
18th |
* Minimum of 100 plate appearances.
Considering that Jaso now has around 200 PAs on the season, his walk and strikeout rates should have stabilized by this point, meaning that they can now be quoted without a Small Sample Size warning attached. These numbers still may change slightly by the end of the season, but we can safely say that they are somewhat close to Jaso's true talent level.
And when you look at the MLB leaderboard for both of these statistics, you find some funky things. For walk rate, Jaso is the highest ranked player with a strikeout percentage under 16%, and he's one of the only players that high that isn't a prototypical power hitter. And when you look at the strikeout rate leaderboard, Jaso is only the second player on the list to walk more than 9% of the time. In other words, Jaso walks like a power hitter and strikes out like a slap hitter, but the rest of his statistics don't fit into either category. Odd, for sure.
Enough messing around with walk and strikeout rates - how productive has Jaso been since that first month? It's felt to me like he's been slumping to an extent, so let's check the numbers:
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PA |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
wOBA |
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Mar/Apr |
36 |
0.400 |
0.556 |
0.640 |
1.196 |
0.509 |
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May |
74 |
0.273 |
0.351 |
0.364 |
0.715 |
0.325 |
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June |
76 |
0.213 |
0.368 |
0.311 |
0.679 |
0.333 |
So it does appear as though Jaso has been slumping recently, at least if you look at his batting average and slugging percentages. His wOBAs are still okay due to his on-base skills, but I can't help but wonder about Jaso's true talent level. Should we expect him to hit closer to that .213 batting average or the .273 average going forward? And what about that power?
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BABIP |
HR/FB |
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Mar/Apr |
0.375 |
7.7% |
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May |
0.304 |
5.3% |
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June |
0.224 |
4.5% |
For those unsure of what these statistics are, BABIP stands for Batting Average on Balls in Play and it's a way of determining how lucky or unlucky a batter has gotten on hit balls. Jaso hit a very similar number of line drives in May and June, yet in one month they fell for a hit and in another month they didn't. 'Dems the breaks, but it appears likely that Jaso is a .270-ish hitter, like what he posted in May.
Power-wise, it's tough to draw many conclusions from Jaso's HR/FB rate. He's been hitting less home runs per flyball each month, but he's also been cutting down on his astronomical 21% Infield Flyball Percentage (which are basically guaranteed outs) and hitting more flyballs to the outfield. The projection systems on FanGraphs suggest he's never going to be a big power hitter - projected for a .378 SLG and a .108 ISO - but that's okay if he can continue walking at his astronomical rate. Maybe the power will develop - maybe not. Either way, I'm fine with watching our God of Walks continue racking up the bases.
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May seems realistic
.265/.360/.370 seem like reasonable numbers. The Rays need some high OBP guys so I could care less that he doesn’t slug a monster number. wOBA looks at a players offensive contribution, but there is a deeper aspect of lineup construction and you need high OBP guys.
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I think he can produce a bit more in terms of XBH. He hits the ball really fucking hard.
PLAY BALL DANG IT !!!!!!!
He seems pretty quick to me, legging out infield hits and moving up on balls in the dirt
FG has him at a speed score of 4.8 which ties him with Boesch, Huff, Maicer Izturis, Josh Wilson, and Jamey Carroll. For comparison Jason Bartlett has a 4.9 for whatever this stat is worth he’s not slow.
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Heads up base runner for sure
He reads the ball in the dirt so well. True speed seems more important in terms of XBH. Could be wrong though. Zobrist’s ISO is currently .114, my splits have Jaso as a .105.
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Hit F/x would be nice, it doesn't seem like Jaso hits a lot of towering, long fly balls. He'll pop it up, but mostly
he’s hitting liners and grounders. He actually reminds me a lot of Navi, accept faster, and he’s actually maintaining the great eye that he showed in the minors.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 8, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He wants to go back to showering in Evian
Go Gators!!
Nothing against Jaso
…but I still really wish we had drafted Posey instead of Beckham. Would have loved to see Posey/Jaso as the two catchers. I wasn’t on board with the pick at the time (thought catcher was a bigger need), and with Posey quickly rising through the ranks…haven’t given up on Beckham yet, but dang, woulda coulda shoulda….
I wish we had taken Mark Teixiera over Dewon Brazelton in 2001, or Jered Weaver over Niemann in 2004, or Jay Bruce over Wade Townsend in 2005
Last year people wished we had taken Matt Wieters over David Price. How’s that one working out? Imagine if we had taken the big fireballing lefty Andrew Miller instead of Longoria. You can play this game all day.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 8, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well it's not quite the same game
Because we had the #1 draft pick, and at that point, our FO had basically said “we’re picking Beckham or Posey”. We’ll never know what exactly tipped the scales in Beckham’s favor (probably) but the fact is, Posey was nearly a Ray
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 8, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
You can
Except that some of those were realistic options and others weren’t. Supposedly the Rays’ choice was between Beckham and Posey, and the chose the wrong one. Of course mistakes happen, but at this point it’s hard to claim that it wasn’t a mistake.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
So you're saying that Bex is no longer a prospect?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 8, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I’m saying there’s little chance he ends up being as valuable to this team as Posey would have been.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Ok thanks, you know more about this kind of thing than I do.
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Sickels the other day
said he’s a C/C+ prospect at this point.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
So you're saying there's a chance
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Posey went 4-4 last night with a walk and 2 homers. He's good.
That being said, Jaso’s emergence has made not taking Posey not really a huge regret at this point. Jaso+Shoppach=3-4 wins hopefully
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 8, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it's crazy that we spent all off-season looking for a lefty catcher to pair with Shopp and Jaso was the guy all along
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 8, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It wouldn't have been reasonable to expect that Jaso would have been this good this year
His hitting was pretty damn mediocre last year, and he was never regarded as a defensive whiz.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
No
But Jaso and Shoppach splitting time might result in a reasonable facsimile.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
We really haven't had the chance to see the real Shoppach yet
But this pairing should be above ML average. Take a look at Jaso’s lefty/righty splits (.148/.299) and Shoppach has nearly the identical split except he’s mashing lefties. Put Jaso/Shoppach together and you have one hell of a catcher. Put them together on a team and you have one hell of a platoon.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 8, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ditto That!
I just saw on ESPN that Posey hit 2 bombs, one a GS in a 4/4 night and came online to say pretty much the exact same thing you just posted. The Beckham pick in 2008 was the only time I disagreed with the Rays’ top pick, because they had Bartlett and Brignac at SS, and Zobrist if ever needed, but were thin at catcher. Posey/Jaso would be sweet about now.
We need a DH, we should draft the biggest, fattest hitter we can find
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are you actually so dense you don't get what I'm saying
or are you trolling?
I get what you are saying, I am not dense, I may be trolling
You must admit we could use a DH, who was that big Pvt. Pyle looking fucker with the cankles and thunder thighs in this draft, we should have gotten him to DH. I would still take Brett Wallace in a heartbeat
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
Sometimes it's smart to
especially if it’s a mature college player at a prime position, e.g., a catcher who brings the lumber (ask Minnesota). PS on Beckham: He’s hitting .222 with a mid-600’s OPS. His vaunted speed has gained him a 14/21 SB ratio.
It's reasonable to have thought that Posey would need to spend quite a bit of time on the farm honing his craft since he didn't start
catching until late in his college career. I haven’t seen him play so I have no idea how he calls a game, but perhaps someone can chime in if they think he’s a solid glove behind the dish.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 8, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it is
If two guys are tied, tiebreaker might be based on need, but if the Rays had the #1 overall pick next year, they’d still draft Rendon (who’s the top guy by a decent margin) even though they already have Longoria. Guys can be moved around or traded.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
With the #1 overall pick.
No you don’t draft on need. But in terms of an overall draft sometimes I can see a team going pitching heavy or hitting heavy if they are weak in those areas.
After the #10 pick
There’s a lot of drafting based on organizational need, but not on major league needs.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
This
In the NFL you draft for need because there’s no minor leagues and it’s a lot harder to trade a guy, you can usually only do it in the offseason because the guy has to learn a new system.
In baseball you can trade guys anytime, and you have a few years of time in the minors to play around with, so you’re always better off with a better player, who you can turn into whatever your ML need is when his stock is up.
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 8, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but I'd just change it from the player with the most value rather than the best player
Slight difference.
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Wade Townsend?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 8, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well quite clearly Posey > Beckham at this point. We made the wrong choice.
Beckham may end up being a great player. The underlying talent is there. However right now it would take a heck of a lot more than just Beckham to trade for Posey. Their values are aren’t even close.
Posey was as close to a can’t miss star as they come. Beckham has loads of potential, but the risk is there. When the reward is near the same (even if Beckham’s is slightly higher) you have to go with the player was the less risk.
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Posey wasn't THAT close to being 'can
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Ugh
Posey wasn’t THAT close to being “can’t miss”. Not in the class of Weiters, for instance. Posey really only had a one year track record of being excellent before the draft.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
From my perspective he was as close to being a lock as possible
But scouting is an inexact science and everyone has different opinions. And compare that to Beckham who everyone agreed was really raw and needed a total swing revamp. The risk was just too high given what I believed to be comparable ceilings.
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3 other teams passed on Posey also... so he was as much "can't miss" as you may say
Not arguing whether he is good now or whether, retrospectively, it was a poor choice by the Rays. I’m just saying that the Rays weren’t the only team to pass on him and judging in retrospect isn’t rocket science.
Well for me it isn't retrospectively. I was campaigning for Posey at the time
But then again I thought PtB would turn out to be a good fit. Everyone gets em wrong.
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Ah ok, didn't know you were calling for Posey in 2008
I thought you were conveniently arguing that we just should have taken Posey.
Nope. I was definitely not a fan of our 2008 or 2009 picks
Of course I’d be lying if I said I knew Beckham would be this disappointing. I thought he’d be a very good, if not great, player. I jsut thought the risk was higher.
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I think Maddon is going to give Sean Rodriguez a shot at leadoff
which I can see being a good development for the team. To me, Upton is already gone and Zobrist would be better as a 5 or 6 hole guy.
BTW, I knew Mauer was a high school pick, but I was referring to his maturity and near-readiness for the bigs and his ability to be an impact offensive player as a catcher.
You're stupid.
Leadoff man’s job is to have speed and put the ball into play. Not get on base. I don’t want my leadoff hitter walking. Not ever. Stop being stupid.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I don't
It was in the St. Pete Times yesterday that Maddon said he was planning on splitting leadoff between Upton, Zobrist and Sean for the near future.
It seems as though Zo is sitting vs LHP
That is when you may see Sean or BJ. I don’t agree with sitting Zo. I don’t think there is much question vs RHP which is 75% of the time.
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I think the opposite, Roddy seams like he'd be better as a SLG guy (run producer) while Zobie is a great table setter with his high OBP
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 8, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Bartlett was very adept at SS and the team MVP
although I’m starting to think that Brignac is the future and Bartlett can be packaged with someone ike Upton to get some value back. It appesars unlikely that Beckham will be an impact player, and with a #1 pick, you’ve gotta be sure that’s what you get.
AA
But what I think doesn’t matter. Just like what stern’s ass says doesn’t matter. I think it’s less than likely he repeats. He may repeat but to say it’s “likely” is purely speculative nonsense.
I've got to imagine they will be cautious about promoting him
They don’t want to crush his confidence.
Lets see what happens in the 2nd half
With no improvement, there is no reason to force feed him to AA. I’m hopeful for improvement.
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Why wouldn't he be?
This team hasn’t exactly been gung ho about advancing hitters that don’t actually hit. Unless he improves markedly late season, that sounds right to me.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It's an eliptical.
If someone says “It’s likely something happens,” and someone replies directly “no it isn’t.” What are they saying?
Also
They can take it slower with Beckham because he signed when he was young. Gets an extra year before he needs to go on the major league roster.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Rays have little interest an bringing a player along quickly
they are structured to get the best 6-8 years of MLB play out of him, and then send him off. So who cares if a player comes up when he’s 25yo, if he only stays till he’s 30-31?
True
We also don’t know what may happen between September and April. Hence why saying he’ll likely to REPEAT (not start in) high A is (as per usual) stern typing out of his ass to get a response.
You wouldn't say its likely?
Seems like you are jumping on stern pretty hard for this one.
By saying he consistantly talks out of his ass?
That’s what he does. He admits to it regularly. He makes big sweeping statements to illicit responses.
He does
But without some dissenting opinion these comment sections would be really boring.
comment sections where everyone agrees suck.
There are only a dozen or so on here who really can get into the analyses that are done and debate the fine points of them. I’ve got to imagine, for the vast majority of commenters some disagreement makes the place more enjoyable. I know it does for me.
There is of course the opposite extreme, where everyone just constantly says stupid stuff (heater, RI comment section) which are even worse than having everyone agree. SF1 can definitely take it too far sometimes, but overall I think he benefits the community.
Don't take your obvious trolling comments seriously enough to be physically angry about it.
And you make digging deeper easier.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
RJ actually banned you about half a dosen times, and a few more via requests to P Brady.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
i wasn't looking for a reaction--a kid who flirts with the Mendoza line
usually isn’t moved up too quickly
Bartlett will be gone at some point
It’s a shame they didn’t trade him this offseason (as I and some others were pushing), but hindsight is 20/20.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If you honestly believe Bartlett was the team MVP in 2008 then you really don't know how to analyze baseball.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have voted that way
but the fact is he won it, so direct your biting sarcasm toward the players and coaches. The point stands that he was a very valuable part of that team, and not to be dismissed as not a valuable part of that team.
The writers voted on that actually.
The coaches on this staff aren’t that stupid. The players’ opinions on player evaluation manners mean mostly nothing to me.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
/IvoryTower'd
I don’t get the fascination people have with Joyce. Is it his mediocre play in Durham? Wowing people with his .295 avg? His mediocre power at age 26? Is it people just praying he’s good because our offense is so poor and we traded Edwin away for him?
Yes. It takes a spreadsheet to realize that Longo, Pena, and Upton were better players that year.
Not to mention the pitching staff.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Serious question: If speed from a leadoff hitter matters so much
Why don’t you want to bat a fast guy cleanup too? That spot leads off a fair number of innings, yet nobody wants to put Crawford or Upton or Rodriguez there because of the ‘traditional model’.
Also, not sure how to look it up
But doesn’t the five spot start about the same numbers of innings? It seems like it would at least the first time through.
My silly opinion
You put your best hitters 1-3 regardless of speed because they get the most at bats.
Mound Visit
I'm more in favor of high OBP in the first couple spots.
If that’s what you mean by “best hitters” than ok. There is some merit in having speed in the middle of the order, especially someone like Crawford who is good at fighting off pitches and putting the ball in play and also has good speed.
Because there aren't power and/or high average hitters to drive in a speedy hitter
hitting behind the cleanup spot.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Plus speed isn't entirely useless there
I haven’t ran models or anything, but I’d guess that a good runner with a .380 OBP probably leads to more runs than a bad runner with a .400 OBP, if you control for batting average. I’d guess that the ability to take extra bags on hits would be worth more than the extra 12 – 15 times on base a year.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
There = leadoff
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Assuming everything else is controlled for
Surrounding lineup, slugging, etc.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
True
Would be interesting to know. I could run a quick look at how to treat SB/CS vs .02 in OBP, but that would seem pretty incomplete.
Yeah
I think the ability to take third on a single would have a greater effect than the ability to steal bases.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
"I'll make a lead off hitter out of BJ if it's the last thing i do"
—MLB manager, the day before he’s fired
Bitch about BJs offense all you want
The fact is, it’s been above average this year so far. His wRC+ is 102, and that’s despite a BABIP in the gutter.
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 8, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It is slightly above average
Average is 100.
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 8, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
so there are like ten people in the league that have exactly 100 and are average and everyone else is above or below average?
I think average is a range above the mean and below the mean and I would say BJ falls in the range.
BJ is a good player, but he has failed to meet expectations
Expectations and perception of a players skills plays a giant role in their public reputation. That is the reason SRod is looked on differently as BJ, even though their performance is not really any different.
Beckham will fall into the same trap.
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exactly people love Michael Bourn in Houston
yet BJ gets hated on here? BJ has a little more power and Bourn hits for a better average but they are pretty close to the same player.
Identity issues
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
it's really not hard to see why Upton is not loved
People saw his 2007 stats and drooled, and they saw his 2008 playoff performance and thought MVP and then they get 2009 and 2010 and their ungodly expectations weren’t met. Instead, they got someone who was benched for not running it out, complained about his lineup spot, and the very next year was called out by a teammate in the dugout.
If he was producing at the rate of the expectations, everything else would have been ignored, ala CC or Evan (I prefer LF, not CF or hit #2 not #1, or I prefer #3 and not #4, etc).
It really is as simple as that. It’s why Upton will be loved wherever he gets traded to next, because the expectations will be lower. Then, if he puts up Bourn-like numbers (who is an All Star and Gold Glove winner, despite similar stats to Beej), he’ll be considered a core guy of his new team.
Matthan is right…it’s about expectations and BJ tantalized the fanbase with something extremely unrealistic (like Bartlett last year) and now people expect it to be the case. If Bartlett would be around here next year (which he wont) you would probably see fans turn on him as well.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 8, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It also depends who you are comparing him against. Overall, BJ is a decent to good player, but against his peers he can easily be argued to be below average
What matters to the Rays is how BJ stacks up against other starting CFers. Those are his peers and in the long run those are his replacements.
In 2010…Of 25 qualified CFs, he is 18 of 25 in WAR and 19 of 25 in wOBA
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Do we really need this thread again?
Can’t we back to idiots defending birthers then whining about liberal agendas?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently you do after reading your emails to FreeZo.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously. You've been warned how many times about bringing up politics/Obama?
Then you wonder why you get banned while the others get a warning?
And THEN you act like you’re a victim of a liberal agenda? Get real.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we need to see Tim Becham's birth certificate. If he's an illegal then the Becham pick should be nullified and we should get Posey.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
This according to the state of Arizona.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
But they love Justin Upton?
How is this possible?
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He hustles, therefore he is not an illegal immigrant.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
And BJ loves tequila
So he must be an illegal? It makes a lot of sense now.
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Easy as pie. Beej and Beckham should go back to their homeland.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Hiding RJs initial comment but since politics were brought up
matthan shouldn’t be banned for an in-thread reponse
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Your jedi mind tricks are no good here.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I didn't bring up Politics. I'm talking about Tim Beckham and his legality as a drafted US born player.
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
I know
I was saying if you chose to respond to the jabs you wouldn’t be banned
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Beckham is an American. He's too fat not to be.
Sign lady must die.
dude, this one's over and so is the season
by sternfan1 on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I take it Navi is American too?
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
He's a special brand of American.
Damn, has it been that long? Is that what happens since I been gone, homie?
they go the game all wrong, it’s too pretty in here, lets say we take it back to the trap one time
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Why won't Tim Beckham come out and deny this allegation? I mean, I don't BELIEVE that he's not American, but I haven't seen any proof that he is! What does he have to hide!?
I hope you understand how provocative and irritating a statement such as "baseball is played on the field not on paper" is. It is the kind of moronic critique that anti-sabermetric neanderthals use (along with the unfunny "mother’s basement" canard) to debunk what they do not understand.
I don't believe the birth announcement the Beckham's put in 2 different newspapers
I need to see the real thing. It is way too convenient that his parents did that 19 years ago from Kenya
by Jason Collette on Jul 8, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Didtimbeckhamrapeandmurderagirlin1987.com
And if one has a problem using stats to prove a point, then use your eyes.
I don't care if Jaso never develops a power swing, as long as he keeps reaching base consistently
When Jaso or Zobrist reach base, there’s a decent chance that they’ll steal their way into scoring position and make their way home to get a run. Whereas with, say, Pena, there’s a much better chance of an instant out than an instant run via HR. At least to me, the ability to consistently get on base seems to be more valuable than the ability to occasionally launch a ball into the stands.
In my day lots of messy tissues over her
by sternfan1 on Jun 18, 2010 6:30 AM PDT
Jaso, Davis and Dan Johnson to Seattle for Cliff Lee..... sorry it is to late.
Rays fans would you have done this trade? Seattle has catcher, starting pitching and power needs.
Rays needed another shut down starter as Shields and maybe Garza is on the ropes.
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