The Birth of a Fanbase: The Tampa Bay Rays and Television
It's funny how compelling dominant narratives can be. Joe Posnanski recently wrote a great article discussing how the pre-season narrative surrounding the Mariners led many to falsely overestimate the team's ability. People got sucked into the hype and flashy moves - oh man, Cliff Lee! - and overlooked many of the warning signs, like the fact that the team had no offense. This sort of event reeks of groupthink, where everyone in a community is thinking along the same lines and contradictory evidence is ignored or overlooked. The media and the saber-community both seemed to fall into this trap with the Mariners; not everyone did, of course, but it sure seemed like more people than not were fans of the Mariners in February. It's a tough trap to avoid - psychologically speaking, humans are predisposed towards agreeing with others and fitting in. Narratives are compelling.
When it comes to the Rays, one of the dominant narratives in the national media is that there is an issue with the Tampa Bay area: namely, they don't support the Rays. If the Rays ever go something good, like throw a no-hitter or jump into first place, it seems I can't watch a segment or read an article without the Rays' attendance being discussed. Too bad there weren't more fans there to see the no-hitter. It's a shame Tampa-St. Pete can't appreciate how good this team is.
Of course, not everyone in the media goes this route, but it's still frustrating how often it comes up. If you want to engage in a discussion about the Rays' attendance and Matthew Silverman's statements this season about needing a new stadium, fine; when comments are brought up in passing, though, they paint the picture of Tampa Bay as an area that cannot support a baseball team and doesn't appreciate the great team they currently have. It's a compelling narrative to people not close to the situation, but one that does a disservice to all the great fans in the Tampa-St. Pete area.
The fact is, this team's fanbase is growing...and growing fast. Let's take a look.
While the Rays' game attendance hasn't improved any since last season (their attendance has dipped by about 500 fans per game, although rank-wise, the Rays have improved to ninth in the league as opposed to eleventh), fans in the ballpark isn't the only way to measure a fanbase. Game attendance is focused on so highly because it's the way that most teams make the most profit, but to measure a fanbase, we need to measure something less tangible. How many fans care about the Rays? What's the depth of their fandom? Are people wearing Rays-related apparel more frequently? Are people in the area talking about the Rays more? Are their games on televisions in local pubs? All these are things that matter, yet we have very little way of proving if they've improved one way or the other.
One way to measure the Rays' fanbase is to look at how many fans are following their games on a daily basis. Part of this is game attendance, sure, but you also need to consider how many people are watching the games on their televisions. And when it comes to both of these areas, the Rays have seen tremendous growth this season:
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2009 |
2010 |
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Average Rating |
2.69 |
5.52 |
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Avg. # of Households |
49,000 |
99,681 |
*All data comes from the Sports Business Journal.
The "average rating" represents the percentage of households in the market area that are viewing the game each night, meaning 5.52% of the Tampa-St. Pete market is tuning in for Rays' games each evening. This ranks the Rays seventh in all of baseball. Even if you decide to look at the total number of households in the market watching the Rays play, at nearly 100,000 televisions per evenings, the Rays rank eleventh in all of baseball. That puts the Rays ahead of many teams with much, much larger markets. Heck, the Rays are even ahead of the Dodgers (99K households to 92K) despite the fact that there are 12.8 million people in the Los Angeles metropolitan area and only 2.75 million in the Tampa-St. Pete area.
Also, this data was compiled in early July, so the numbers have possibly improved since then. The Rays-Yankees series over the trade deadline weekend set all-time records for viewership. It was by far the most watched regular season series in the Rays' history - viewership peaked at 12.5% of the Tampa-St. Pete market - and Saturday's game against the Yankees was the most watched regular-season game in franchise history. Yes, they were against the Yankees and so you can argue that Yankee fans boosted the ratings, but it's not like this it the first time the Rays have played the Yankees. Fans are beginning to care about the Rays and I wouldn't be surprised if more television records are set by the end of the season.
The Tampa-St. Pete area is a strong and vibrant area, full of sports history and baseball energy. It takes time to build a fanbase, but the local fans are finally responding to the Rays' success and jumping on-board, just not in the way most people anticipated. Knock the Rays' attendance if you want, but don't knock the fans. Even if you don't think they are, they're watching. And they care.
A big thanks to Amy Pempel from Sun Sports for providing me with the data for this article. Much appreciated!
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The full 2010 dataset can be found here.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 10, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions
this needs to be talked about more at the national media level, kudos
this is a good article, and would love to see a follow-up on say t-shirt sales to see what fandom apparel is like compared to other markets.
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They also have a market size around the size of Tampa (2.8M), but average over 40K fans per game each season.
They’re a freak of nature….extreme outlier.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 10, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
They have a both a long and short-term history of success and they have 3 of the best players in the game.
Additionally, the stadium is a sauna so I’m not surprised that their TV ratings are through the roof.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the only place in the city where you probably won't get shot at.
So that explains attendance and TV ratings.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Just moved to StL in November from Tampa
and StL is all about the Cardinals. No matter where you go or what you do, you will see or hear something Cardinals related, so it is no surprise that they head the list. You will still get shot at around the stadium, but if you have Cards gear on you are pretty much safe, lol. The thing that surprises me the most, to my liking, is that Cards fans are not complete jackasses like Boston or NY fans. I wear my Rays apparel every weekend and people actually engage me and ask questions about how the Rays are doing and baseball in general.
I run into the occasional Cards fan around town and you can have a conversation with them about your team, their team, and baseball in general and they can keep up
I like Cards fans.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Cards fans have the rep of being the friendliest
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STL draws from a wide region
Cardinals baseball is broadcast across a wide swath of the midwest and parts of the non-Braves south.
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remember, until 1958 STL was the furthest point west and south MLB went
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Harkening back to when you were but an eager-eyed 40 YO loving the game!
people also forget that until 1953 MLB was played in only 11 markets
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Haha when you say "remember" 1958 or don't forget what it was like in 1953, I am considered an older guy on here and I was born in 68.
Some of the others on here don’t remember the 80’s.
Drug-induced more than anything
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 10, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not saying it as if i were there
i was born in the 50’s but don’t recall the Dodgers in Brooklyn
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Pure speculation based on eye-balling the numbers for a single season
But it appears tv watching adjusts faster to good/bad teams than does attendance. I wonder if there’s a way to predict next-year attendance changes based on tv viewership, beyond W/L record…
Curious why the Orioles ratings are up this year and the ChiSox are down, though.
It may not be an apples to apples comparison
due to the statements concerning payroll made by the owner
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And they've got lots of young players at least.
But they’re overall numbers are still quite low. Their metro. area size is one of the closest comparison to the Rays, yet they have a much lower viewership.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 10, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They also have another team in the area...
that has to have an impact on both the attendance and ratings numbers
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by Ryan Gilliss on Aug 10, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s more a fact that the stadium is an hour away from the heart of the fanbase at the tip of a peninsula…
by Jeffrey Borbas on Aug 10, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice to have the actual numbers
I know that I have been telling people that the Rays have a lot of people that tune in to watch them. And I have also heard the growth in ratings, but it is nice to see where we rank relative to other teams.
Devil's advocate
One of the criticisms I often heard in the early days of the Devil Rays wasn’t that the market was too small or didn’t like baseball, it’s that the market lacked the disposable income to adequately support a team. Any thoughts on that, or the recession, perhaps playing into the TV ratings outpacing attendance?
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I personally think it has more to do with
the stadium, stadium location, gameday experience. The trop hasn’t become a place to see and be seen like some other parks. *cough*fenway*cough*
The recession obviously has an effect too, but I personally would put it after the stadium issue.
I think that plays into it as well, but I'm hesitant to say how much.
There are so many variables that go into the poor attendance, but I have seen research suggest the Tampa area is “overextended” for the amount of sports teams it has. The more I see info like this, though, the more I side with Silverman that a new stadium in a better location is needed.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 10, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Fenway Commute
I have recently moved to Cambridge (essentially Boston) after growing up in St. Pete and I do not see how getting to and from Fenway is any easier or faster then getting to the Trop is (especially if you live in st pete).
Traffic here is much worse then in st pete. there is quick highway access by the trop. around here they have public transit, but that traffic still slows down the buses. yeah, there is a highway near fenway, but parking by the stadium is non existent or very expensive.
I have seen people walk from cambridge… thats like at least 1 mile or 30mins. Is it really more then a 30-45min commute from tampa to the trop?
by CambridgeRay on Aug 10, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Traffic is worse there because the population is 3x more dense, not because everyone is bottle-necked onto a bridge. You have mass transit there and you still have more traffic. There’s just that many more people.
Yes, it is more than 30 minutes to get to the Trop from Tampa. It takes me about an hour coming from malfunction junction (I-4 & I-275) and that’s the center of the population base.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Aug 10, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one that thought this should have been titled: The Birth of a Republic
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Damn...missed opportunity.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 10, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Is the 2009 data from the entire season?
Or is it up to the same point in 2009 (early July)? My gut tells me that TV ratings probably fell off a cliff when the team fell out of contention at the end of the year last year. So April to July might have been a little higher. I’d love to see numbers for 07 and 08 as well.
Another thing to consider is that average TV ratings are probably affected by whether the team is winning or losing during that particular game, or if the game is close. Ticket sales wouldn’t be subject to the same effect.
Regardless, that’s a huge increase.
The 2009 data is up to the same point in the season, although I think the increase %s seen in the spreadsheet are from the full year's data.
I think. I didn’t calculate them out myself to see if they made sense.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 10, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been saying this forever.
People think a baseball team makes its money just by ticket sales but that is so shortsighted. TV contracts bring in tons of revenue if you can show consistent ratings (YES network). Just by living in the area you can see the support for the Rays has increased by tons just by the amount of Rays gear you see around.
This just shows people want to support the team but don’t want to go the games. Probably because its in St Pete or its a crappy stadium.
Its too bad these facts will get buried by local radio hosts and national media harping on game attendance figures.
Glad this is getting attention.
One point I usually bring up is that fans in Tampa (say 30 and under) grew up watching baseball on TV. Going to a game was never an option. We made our allegiances with a team and rooted only on TV. When I got home from elementary school I’d watch the Cubs or Braves. Going to a game meant a special vacation or road trip. That has really carried over to the Rays. I’ll go to more than a handful of games, but I have no problem sitting at home and watching the game instead of making the trip to St Pete.
It would be interested to see what a revenue projection would look like based on the ratings increase vs. a similar percentage increase in fan attendance.
That's a great point!
I grew up watching Cubs/Braves but my favorite was the Mets on WMOR,(or something like that) Ralph Kiner and Tim McCarver calling the games with Straw, HoJo, etc. I visited Shea Stadium in like ’94, and of course attended the inaugaral Rays game but TV is all I really knew until that day…
by BOHICA_ALEast on Aug 10, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Internet effect?
I’m assuming that these ratings don’t take into consideration the ability to watch games on the internet via MLBTV? I know that since I moved to North Carolina, I have watched the Rays on my computer as well as at times on my iPhone. I don’t know how big of an impact this would have on the fanbase, but it’s an interesting market to consider.
by timmyj on Aug 10, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ditto this.
Having moved out of the TB market in the past year, I’ve taken to watching Rays games streamed online (semi-legally, so I’m sure it’s not counted as I’m also sure I’m not the only one). It’s also how I came to start visiting draysbay, since I don’t have any fellow Rays fans up here to chat baseball or watch the games at the Trop or the bar with.
This is my 7th (I think) year with mlb.tv.
Being out of NC is nice because now I’m not blacked out and can’t get Nats, Reds, and O’s games.
this.....I could care less now that I can't watch DBacks games
I hated not being able to watch the games against the O’s
Does the SUN/FSN switch affect anything?
Is SUN available in more households then ION/FSN was? Not sure if this could have an additional impact.
I think it screwed people in the orlando market and east.
Some I know can’t get games anymore due to the switch.
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Sunshine is available all over Orlando now - always has been
FSN only recently became available to Bright House customers after BH and FSN settled a long-standing debate. It was the main reason I went to DirecTV for my TV (BH still does my internet) back in 2004 because I wanted to watch the Devil Rays.
by Jason Collette on Aug 10, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they did, but the data got confusing so I left it at 2009/2010.
Midway through 2008, the Rays had a 2.77 rating and averaged 49,000 households per night. Increase of around 30% for both from the last season. Remember, that’s partway through the season…mid-July data.
My confusion was that then, the 2009 data had us at a 2.69 rating, but showed that as a 14% increase. From the data available, that looks like a decrease, but I don’t know what they were comparing it to. I’d love to get the full data for all the years, but I don’t know if that’s able to be publicly released.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 10, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The increase was probably the actual number of households; the rating is simply a percentage.
So the ‘rating’ can go down while the number of actual viewers increases if the team’s TV market increases, which it did in 2009 when Fox Sports Florida/Sun Sports became the sole broadcaster of the Rays. Prior to that, about 1/3 of their games were shown on ION, which isn’t carried everywhere since it’s a broadcast channel.
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by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for clarifying...didn't think of that.
That makes a lot more sense now.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 10, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering b/c that's when I started watching the Rays on TV - about mid-way through 2008.
Before that it was just going to the occasional game (back when they sucked).
Couple things
1) 500/gm decline in attendance- I suspect there was a painful drop in season ticket renewals. It was the perfect storm between people buying playoff season ticket packages in 2008 combined with a miserable economy. To be down 500/gm is a strong indicator to me of increased interest because it represents a likely good spike in walkup purchases.
2) I’d love to a heat map of the Greater Bay Area based on televisisions tuned to the game.
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Agreed...I think only seeing a 500/game decrease isn't that bad.
And things should pick up by the end of the season. Wouldn’t be surprised if our final total improves upon last year.
A heat map would be incredible. No idea if I could get that data – so far all I’ve gotten is publicly available data anyway – but I suppose it can’t hurt to ask.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of this increase
is due to the affect of Kevin Kennedy.Dwyane and Kevin have molded into a very good broadcast team.You can see the spike since the hiring of KK.
by Landlord on Aug 10, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Definitely
KK has had time to work a lather up, and the area loves it….
by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 10, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to Disagree
I think it’s merely a coincidental correlation. I can’t stand KK, especially when his answer to everything is to go the other way, tells us that the cutter isn’t a good pitch because it doesn’t have depth (in a game where Cliff Lee is mowing us down), and endlessly complains about the umps. I sometimes watch the away broadcast on mlb.tv, and I know plenty of other fans who are turned off as well.
How dare you speak like that about an American Hero®. You have no idea who you're messing with.
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by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The man saved the country from an aerial attack!
Not to mention his skills as a catcher, manager, and author.
He has brought credibility and honor to this franchise…. saved us from the days of throwing things at umpires and not hustling to first base.
I guess that's true.
What would I do without insight like, “Jose Molina is someone you never want to see come up in a clutch situation?”
I wish you would have caught the sarcasm we're expressing. We agree with you.
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by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a joke, right?
Please tell me this is a joke.
by ValricoBrian on Aug 10, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Troll?
I think listening to KK is as fun as watching paint dry. BA is more insightful and 10x more fun to watch.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Aug 10, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I fixed your statement:
I think listening to KK is as fun as having your teeth pulled by an unlicensed witchdoctor.
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That's silly. Everyone knows that witchdoctors don't pull teeth; they cast spells that make them fall out.
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by firemangreg on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Great article.
I got a friend out of town that the way he talks he thinks nobody here supports the Rays… Its the opinion he’s spoon fed from the national media. But no matter how much anecdotal evidence I provided him he is convinced nobody here deserves the Rays.
I have lived downtown and loved the area and going to the games. I still ejoying going to the games and taking in the area. But realisitcly I am not so sure that there area can support the team. They definately need a new stadium to draw in the “cool” crowd… the ones that only go because its the place to be seen. Not to mention the bushleague polititians of St Pete either dont care or dont know how to keep the team. Threating them is not a viable answer, and it is not gonna work.
I like Kennedy, he’s got a lot of real experience in the game. But then I like Brian too. I guess I am not really too critical of broadcasters… the games my thing.























