Jeremy Hellickson Leads Rays to 8-0 Win Over Tigers
This game was a lot closer than the final score makes it appear. For the first six innings, the Rays were only able to score one run; that run was helped along by a fielding error in the outfield by the Tigers, allowing Dan Johnson to score all the way from first on a double by Jason Bartlett. The Rays were walking plenty and hitting the ball hard, but the balls kept going right to fielders. The Rays were only ahead 3-0 going into the top of the ninth, but then their offensive exploded, thanks in part to some wild pitching from the Detroit staff. Three hits and four walks in one inning will rack the score up quite quickly.
Thankfully, though, the Rays didn't need all those runs: they had Jeremy Hellickson on the mound. If it's possible, Hellboy looked more dominant last night than in his first major league start last week; he went seven innings in only 86 pitches, struck out seven, walked none, and only let up three hits - all singles. His fastball didn't get many swings and misses (only one), but he did locate it well, mix it well with his off-speed pitches, and strike out a few batters looking with it. His change-up and curveball were both on prominent display again, with his change-up generating seven whiffs (25%) and his curveball generating two whiffs (11%). His pitches all had the same tight cluster of movement that we saw in his last start, although I'll leave the more detailed pitch dissection up to RZ.
Again, I was endlessly impressed with Hellickson's demeanor on the mound and the way he attacked batters. He'd throw the exact same breaking pitch multiple times in a row to a batter, then strike them out with a fastball in on the hands. He threw all his pitches in every count and although he let up mostly flyball outs (nine flyball outs to five groundball outs), he kept his pitches in the lower part of the zone. I know it's just two starts. I know it's a small sample. I know he'll probably struggle once the league adjusts to him. But still...I can't help get excited.
Other Notes:
- Dan Johnson is a walking machine. He went 0-1 last night but walked four times, including once when the bases were loaded. It's only 28 plate appearances, but an On-Base Percentage close to .500? I'll take that.
- Evan Longoria had another 2 for 5 evening, including an RBI double. The number four slot in the batting order seems to be working for him.
- Somehow, the Rays had nine hits, ten walks, and scored eight runs, yet only went 1 for 12 with runners in scoring position. How is that possible?
- Bartlett and Joyce also had good nights at the plate, both reaching base three times (double and two singles for Barty; double and two walks for Joyce).
- Mike Ekstrom....I overlooked you when you were called up to the majors because I didn't want to admit you were back (and I still don't). However, that was a darn impressive ninth inning you just threw. Only one baserunner and you struck out a batter? I still don't hope you're around for long, but I'm proud of you. Keep it up.
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We need this guy in September/(October).
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Aug 11, 2010 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions
So far so good on Hell-boy
He throws strikes
87 PC after 7 IP
How many of our SP have done that?
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 11, 2010 7:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
doesn't his last name have a "Y" in it somewhere?
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
by stpetelawyer on Aug 11, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The optimist.
PLAY BALL DANG IT !!!!!!!
by PlayOnWords on Aug 11, 2010 8:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did Madman not put him back out there for the 8th because he gave up two hits in the 7th
or were they planning on him only going 7 innings before the game?
i dunt need any madeup stats to tell that chad balls sucks
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Aug 11, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions
Two rookies last night
A: 4.1 IP, 6 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
B: 7 IP, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K
One of these pitchers is Stephen Strasburg.
PLAY BALL DANG IT !!!!!!!
One faced Miguel Cabrera & Johnny Damon (and not much else),
and the other faced the ferocious, farm-team Florida Marlins.
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No need for Davis to rush back
Hopefully they work him back slowly, perhaps one inning at a time, out of the pen.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 11, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
Lets not forget Wade Davis' debut last year
1st – 7 IP 3H 1ER 1BB 9K
2nd – 2.2 IP 6H 8ER 4BB 3K
3rd – 9IP 4H 2BB 10K
Two of his first three starts were extremely impressive. The second happened to be in Boston.
and #1 and #3 were against Det and Balt
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
lets also not forget
that hellickson outshined Davis at every level of their minor league careers
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 11, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked Hellickson more before this
because at every stage of their respective developments he struck out more, allowed fewer walks, and gave up fewer runs.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 11, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
This is true
Davis was always deemed to have better stuff. Helly consistently put up #’s. People point to the development of the change as to why he is now considered an elite prospect that can beat advanced hitters.
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't doubt Hellickson is the better pitcher
Its just easy to put too much into two starts. It’ll be an interesting predicament if/when Neimann and Davis come back.
10 BB including three with the bases loaded helps
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Prediction
Zobrist grabs some much deserved pine today in favor of S-Rod
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gotta justify the contract ala PtB
even though Zobrist is an absolute garbage player as well!!
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How does this guy warrant almost daily PT?
His post ASG numbers
164/250/247
A whopping 497 OPS
Give him three more years
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same thing with Langoria
Pretty Boy isn’t doing anything since the ASG except padding his stats with unclutch hits and yet we start him every day…what gives?
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You're suggesting Longoria is doing as poorly as Zobrist?
Besides a double digit walk rate Zobrist has sucked in about every offensive catefory this year, yet fans and posters love him
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Post ASG #'s = 1 month
Pena May OPS .483, SF1 would bench
June .920
July .871
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Show us one month Zobrist approaches Pena's June
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May .914?
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
ahahahahahaaha facts ahahahahahahahaha
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 11, 2010 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Take that one month out and what do you have?
Until he proves different, i’ll call him a one hit wonder (‘09)
His age doesn’t make me believe he’ll get better
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He's definitely struggling
I wouldn’t call him a 1 hit wonder, he’s probably having swing issues as his LD% has been 10-12% 3 months running. Maybe he’s too focused on being selective? May had his lowest walk rate.
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
But this younster?
i’d be very concerned erading offensive numbers I also don’t see Bartlett repeating his OBP, but i feel he has learned how to turn on a fastball and he may keep the power
He also recently has improved his BB%
by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2009 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m hoping Barty comes close to replicating his ’09 season, and then so many will have to eat their words
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
More you ask?
I like Zobrist more and more each day
by sternfan1 on Aug 22, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
As for Brignac DRB didn’t think that much in March
Tommy and I each mentioned Reid Brignac, who despite injuries to both Jason Bartlett and Aki Iwamura didn’t make much of an impact. That can largely be chalked up to the emergence of Ben Zobrist, who was able to pitch in at SS and become the everyday 2B, all while hitting the cover off the ball. Bartlett also had a very strong offensive season, which meant there wasn’t much need for Brignac’s services. In 66 at-bats, Brignac has posted a .241/.275/.348 line.
by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
all 2009
he already admitted that he loved him in 2009, but ONE YEAR DOES NOT A CAREER MAKE
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It's amazing the difference two games can make.
After the 5 game losing streak I wasn’t feeling too good with losing ground to the Yankees and Boston creeping up.
But two Rays wins and two Yankees Losses make me a happy Panda.
Leave me alone, I'm watching monsterjam.
Over the last 10 games we lost 1 game to the Sox and gained one on the Yanks
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Read this on another (less distinguished) blog,
But what are the chances Davis starts next season in Durham? First off, I find it unlikely that we don’t part ways with either Garza or him (hoping Garz) and secondly, I find it insane that we would bounce him that much. Either start him or trade him but don’t keep him in quad-A limbo.
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2011 is a long way off
Niemann’s health should weigh in on any trade decision
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Just a general thought
Why are posters so concerned about keeping Sternberg’s payroll down?
Do you really believe he’s losing money?
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Its not concern about protecting Stu's money
It’s working within the constraints we believe exist based on past commentary from the FO. It remains a possibility that payroll will expand beyond our projections, and thats icing. The real decision makers don’t have to guesstimate constraints.
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm happy with Stu as our owner
but when it comes to P % L i don’t believe him or any other owner of a sports francjise for a single moment
We all know there are two sets of accounting, one for the public and one for the wallet
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Sure, I still believe we will see a greatly reduced payroll next year
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
This goes hand in hand with the concern for attendance.
The major beneficiary for an increase in attendance is the ownership. Why does everyone complain so much about attendance being low when they also complain when the owners don’t spend enough money.
When you have a 35K capacity venue, you're not going to be able to generate the season attendance figures he wants
In big series he can probably sell 45K tickets, but on a TUE in APR and May smaller crowds will always prevail
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If season tickets sales increase, that wouldn't be an issue in his eyes
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the value of depth.
I don’t think the Rays can get lucky again and have their five starters be injury free for the first 100+ games. Is the value of the depth (having Davis or Hellickson ready to step in) greater than the value the Rays can bring in trade?
I’m not sure if they can get a proven offensive asset for one of the six. They may be able to get a projectable bat, but will that bat be more valuable than the sixth starter would?
Even if there's an injury or two
The team will still have McGee, Torres and Cobb in AAA next year. McGee has the potential to be every bit as good as any of the current starters, and Torres and Cobb are probably both around Sonnanstine level or better.
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Speaking of Sonny I'd love to see him make the most of this window as a starting pitcher
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 11, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He has such little value
But I think Sonny can be a very good pitcher in an NL pitcher’s park. He’d probably put up some great numbers in the NL West.
If Padilla can do it, anyone can do it.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 11, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a worst case scenario option
But I suspect the team will be trying to spin one of its other starters (Shields, Garza or Niemann) for someone who can fill a major hole (a good 1B or a closer).
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No
Howell’s coming off an injury, Balfour only has one year left of team control, Soriano and Benoit are free agents. Heck, even Wheeler only has a year left I believe. Bullpen is about to become an issue, and if we have a cost-controlled closer, that means less money needs to go into paying other, better relievers who can serve as firemen but don’t get overpaid because they don’t have those pesky saves.
What other holes would you suggest we try to fill via trade, other than prospect depth? Catcher seems set for the next few years now. Middle infield seems set. We could probably use a bigger hitting corner outfielder, but between Joyce, Upton, Zobrist and Jennings, there’s more than enough depth there while rotating the player with the off day at DH. Longoria is set at 3B for a long time. The rotation is full. The only other area with holes is the bullpen.
I mean, if we can get a serious upgrade at some other position, then great, but we’ll get the most marginal value out of upgrading 1B and the bullpen.
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And if you think the better solution is to move Wade and McGee to the pen, then I'm fine with that
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
That's more my thought.
Why trade good, young SP for bad, young SPs in the bullpen?
Why trade good, young SP for “established” closers with a higher price tag?
We have plenty of pitching depth in the minors that looks like it's at worst good RP (McGee, Cobb, Torres, Torres, etc.).
Why deal good SP for bullpen help? I’m all for a trade of a good position prospect or 1B; though I’m in no hurry to deplete the depth of quality pitching (which is one of our biggest strengths) unless it’s near equal value.
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 11, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe for Niemann
I’d almost rather push more chips in and try to get Votto.
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I'm salivating at the thought
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