Mythbusting the Rays' Offense Part 1: The Stranded Runner
We're all familiar with Derek Shelton's slogan of GTMI at this point. There has been, however, some significant disagreement about is how successful it's been: many Rays fans are of the opinion that we strand too many baserunners because of our immense strikeout totals and need another high batting average guy other than Carl Crawford to be an "RBI-guy" while others are of the belief that we do an acceptable job of Getting The [Man] In.
As of now the Rays are 3rd in Runs Scored so obviously our offense has been scoring runs, but let's take a deeper look as to whether the first camp has a valid point.
The Rays are currently 14th in the majors in baserunners stranded (1st means fewest, 31st means most), or basically right in the middle. Consider this, however, in the context of the rest of the elite offenses in the AL.
| Team | Runners Stranded | Rank in Runners Stranded |
|---|---|---|
| Yankees | 931 | 22nd |
| Red Sox | 963 | 27th |
| Twins | 980 | 30th |
| Rangers | 921 | 17th |
| Rays | 911 | 14th |
Here's a fun fact: In 2009 the team that stranded fewer runners won just 41.8% of the time. In the words of the great Joe Posnanski:
We have it jammed down our throats that you can’t win when you are leaving players on base. You have to take advantage of your opportunities!
But what this stat tells me is that scoring runs more about creating opportunities than cashing in on them — I think this takes us back to the whole RBI discussion. The RBI is a tempting stat to love because it feels tangible and heroic — to score runs, you usually need to someone to drive ‘em in. But what the numbers consistently seem to show is that if you create enough opportunities, SOMEONE is going to drive in those runs.
And if you don’t create as many or more opportunities as your opponent — no player and no team is consistently clutch enough to make up for that gap. Not over a long season. My evolving theory about baseball is like my evolving theory about life. Sure, there are heroics in baseball and in life. But you can’t count on ‘em. You’re better off banging on a lot of doors.
The above two things convey a point that is not nearly well enough understood in baseball: Great offenses are great at getting runners on, and those runners will be stranded more often than not. An excellent offense will strand runners left and right because they're getting men on left and right!
It's much more meaningful if instead we take a look at what percentage of baserunners score for the Rays and other top teams.
| Team | % of Baserunners to Score | MLB Rank |
|---|---|---|
| Yankees | 39.3% | 2nd |
| Red Sox | 38.0% | T-5th |
| Rays | 38.5% | 3rd |
| Twins | 36.6% | 12th |
| Rangers | 37.9% | 8th |
The correlation between % of runners scoring and batting average was a weak .403 so it appears as though improving the Rays batting average would really not be helpful here anyhow. If stranding runners truly is an issue for a team, much better correlated are OBP (.521) and SLG% (.77). Adding a high BA guy wouldn't be as helpful to driving in runners as adding a high OBP or a high SLG hitter would be. As for the strikeouts? The R^2 between strikeout total and % of baserunners scoring is .18%, meaning that a team's K totals have almost no relationship with baserunners scoring.
As for the Rays offense, it ranks 3rd in terms of % of baserunners to score, equal to its ranking of 3rd in runs scored. I think it's safe to say that the myth of the stranded runner is busted.
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Interesting; the % of runners scoring was surprising
Although I still am of the opinion our base running is a huge factor there. I still think the hitting has been disappointing.
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by PGP on Aug 13, 2010 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
B/c I think a lot of the credit is due to base running.
I have my own Shelton post that will bepublished next week that I find to be pretty damning. I don’t credit Shelty for runners stealing their way into scoring position.
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Without knowing who he's working with or what they're working on
I can’t give much credit/blame to Shelton. He may impact and individual or two at a time, but its hard to say ok the entire team is doing this so it is/isn’t Shelton’s fault. It makes for a nice scape goat, but without knowing what is actually going on it’s hard to definitively say what his impact is.
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 13, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its true, that its hard to define
But the broad underperformance of basically the entire roster at the plate is concerning. We are talking an average wOBA underperformance of about .020-.030 vs projections and 2009 performance.
All season rpeview discussed expected regression of Bartlett and Zobrist to be offset by Upton, Navi, and Burrell, but it hasn’t/didn’t happen. BJ was better than 09 but has still comfortably underperformed projections.
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 13, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, Burrell has regresed quite well
Just in the National League.
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 13, 2010 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Clearly a better hitting coach
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 13, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Cant be serious.
go ahead and rub one out and join the fun
by PlayOnWords on Aug 13, 2010 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Serious as cancer (Not serious)
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 13, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Early this season when the Rays were scorching
I took a look at % of baserunners scoring, and the Rays were nuking the league at the time.
It had seemed to me from the outside looking in that just about 1/2 the guys on base were scoring. I think it was in about mid-May, when they were what was it like 19-2 on the road and seemingly cruising.
My calc of this – which I’ll readily admit wasn’t hyper accurate but pretty good, had the Rays scoring 45% of baserunners! They were at least 7% ahead of any other AL club at the time.
I think the percerption may come from when things started to get tougher, because clearly that % has taken a bit of a tumble since those heady days. I really think fans “see” bad things when things aren’t going as well. Perception becomes reality.
But someone here better than me at such analysis – PGP? – should look at a split of this from the high point in May and prior, vs since then. That might also be interesting, and perhaps illustrate that there may be a bit of reality in the perception of late.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Aug 14, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to go all SF1
But the frustrating part is not the offense overall, but the fact that we can knock in 10 baserunners one day and none the next.
Over the large sample size things tend to balance out. The key is to keep the big picture in mind, but it’s easy to get frustrated after a series like we just had. Not complaining about taking 2/3 in Detroit, but the team went something like 3-30 something with risp. Of course, when we went 8-3 on the home stand things were great. Just another example of the ups and downs of the season.
Still reassuring to see that overall we’re about where we need to be especially after a rather frustrating few games.
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 13, 2010 10:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
And that we're finding a way to get the W even when we're not driving in runners.
It would be a lot more frustrating if we were a .500 team instead of .600
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 13, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
WHY DON'T YOU WATCH THE GAMES
INSTEAD OF USING FANCY NUMBERS AND SPREADSHEETS. OBVIOUSLY THE RAYS HAVE NO CHANCE TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES ‘CAUSE THEY DIDN’T GO OUT AND GET A BAT!
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by staplemaniac on Aug 13, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Great post.
I got in to an argument just yesterday with someone about this. Going to show them this to show just how good we are compared to the league.
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Just curious, for those of you who have been plugged in to sports culture in other cities, do most fans think that their offense is under-performing/bad?
Phllies fans also tend to complain about stranding runners
But what don’t they complain about?
by PGP on Aug 13, 2010 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A lack of puking on fans?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 13, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Well,
The Cubs offense IS bad and everybody knows it. Mostly I’ve heard complaints that the rookies don’t get enough PT (Colvin, etc) but I think that got fixed once they fell out of contention beyond any hope.
And nobody expected the White Sox offense to be this good, so I think Sox fans are generally pretty happy with it. Although I still think one of these days they’re going to wake up and realize they’re the White Sox and this just can’t last. Especially Omar Vizquel, who’s going to realize he’s a 43 year old defensive specialist and he shouldn’t really have a nearly-league-average bat (94 wRC+).
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Aug 13, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Twins fan
and the chatter around here is always “We need an ACE! Our pitching sucks, none of the starters can do well in BIG GAMES.” What we really need is bullpen help and a #4 starter.
I'd love to see an optimization of BA/OBP/SLG
Like where you start to see diminishing returns from another high BA/OBP/SLG guy. It might make sense to have 2 high BA guys, 5 high OBP guys, and 2 high SLG guys or however it works out.
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Of course having good hitters that excel at all three facets would be ideal
A lineup of 9 Longoria’s is going to beat the pants off a lineup of 3 Crawfords, 3 Zobrists, and 3 Penas.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 13, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the source of the offense really matters
Perhaps I’m wrong, but I think you can really just add up wRCs and you have your team’s RS totals
It would be interesting to see if there is a synergistic effect in there. I'm sure at the margins (guys that excel at only on of the stats at the exception of the other 2)
there is plenty of mixing and matching that could go on. A team on a low budget would do well to target these guys since their obvious flaws lower their marketability.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 13, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Interestingly, I just ran the numbers for Base Runs for each of these guys at got:
Longo: 78.5
Zobrist: 53.7
Pena: 55.2
Crawford: 66.9
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 13, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm using David Smyth's Basic Formula, but those seem pretty close
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 13, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the other two are identical basically
Fangraphs counts steals too I think which would explain the difference somewhat
by PGP on Aug 13, 2010 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But that outfield of 3 Crawfords and infield of 3 Zobrists would offset those 9 Longorias somewhat
Although Pena catching could be an adventure. It might work if he changed his last name to Molina though…
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Aug 13, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say OBP has increasing returns actually. The whole point of OBP is that another guy will also get on base to move you over.
by Jeffrey Borbas on Aug 13, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What about a breakdown of how the runs are scored
Singles, Doubles, Triples, Home Runs, Walks, etc
Or is that too complicated?
PIZZA?!?
That wouldn't be that hard probably
Just multiply the linear weight values by the number of times it’s happened. It wouldn’t really be meaningful though unless you compared it to league average amounts of everything
So is there a difference
between a player with a 333/400/500 split and a 250/400/500 split?
Well ok, that was mostly snark
But player A is walking (or getting HBP) a whole lot less, so he’ll have to maintain much higher contact rates to sustain his OBP, and will be more sensitive to fluctuation in BABIP. As we all, know, hitting .333 is rare and usually fueled by a high BABIP. Even the best hitters can’t repeat that very often (excluding Ted Williams and so on, but that was a different era)
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Aug 14, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I should have been more specific.
I should have been more specific. Is there any difference in their impact offensively? I’m less concerned with moving forward, but rather understanding what has happened and why.

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