Rays Allow 17 Runs In Loss To Blue Jays
What do you get when you combine the team leading the Majors in home runs with a pitcher who has struggled mightily with the long ball this season?
A lot of runs and one of the worst starts in team history.
James Shields tied a Major League record! Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut not in a good way. Shields joined seven other pitchers since 1900 to give up six home runs in a game. He lasted only four innings, giving up nine hits...all for extra bases. Here are some quotes from Shields was quoted after the game saying:
"Disgusting is pretty much what it was," Shields said. "There was nothing going right. I was out of rhythm, my timing was off, I didn’t hit any spots and they took advantage of it, obviously."
Take a look at Shields' pitch f/x chart. Notice a lot of light blue squares? Yeah, that's not good. Those stand for "in play, run(s)" and "in play, no out".
Shields' poor start allowed Dale Thayer to make his first, and likely only, appearance of the season. He was called up yesterday and will sent down sometime before Sunday's game to make room for Andy Sonnanstine. Thayer was purely in the game for mop up duty, but caught a little of the earned run illness Shields had, going two innings giving up seven hits and six runs. Chad Qualls and Randy Choate would each pitch an inning to close out the game.
Normally when the offense scores 11 runs the Rays win pretty handily. The offense has been fare more of an issue this season than the pitching. Today was just...different. The stars were B.J. Upton and Dan Johnson. Upton was 1-2 with a double, stolen base, and two runs knocked in. Continuing his good play since being called up last week, Johnson was 2-2 with two walks, a home run and four RBI. Hopefully he can keep it up the rest of the season.
On a worrisome note, Jeff Niemann was scratched from tomorrow's start with "shoulder soreness." Knowing the Rays and their secrecy when it comes to injuries there is no way to tell what that actually means. Hopefully the Big Nyquil isn't put to sleep the rest of the season. As I noted before, Andy Sonnanstine will be recalled from the DL and will start tomorrow in Niemann's place.
- Kudos to Toronto rookie catcher J.P. Arencibia. In his first big league game he went 3-4 with two home runs and a double. His first home run off of Shields was hit on the first pitch he saw. They're not all this easy, kid.
- Aaron Hill also hit two home runs.
- The Yankees win puts the Rays 1.5 games back, but also drops Boston back.
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Yields
is appropriate nickname for today, sadly.
Is Rogers Centre a launch pad in day games?
I have zero hardcore evidence to back that up, just wondering.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Aug 7, 2010 7:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also does the roof being open do anything. That hopefully was implied, if the roof is closed it obviously doesn't matter.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Aug 7, 2010 7:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GDT was troll heaven
nice to see a good game from BJ and DanJo. We know this isn’t the norm for our pitchers and I’m not worried, we haven’t been shelled in a while. Thayer himself wasn’t too bad, I think he came unglued in his first relief inning, 2 infield singles before it got really bad.
I was originally from NY for your information, I probably know alot more about the Yankees and the game of Baseball in general than you do, so I believe your the loser
Ok, I have to be the one who always take a swing at mediocrity/stupidy…..I’m not going to talk in specific cases..I do everyday…..I’m done…
Maddman does NOT believe in playing his best players in ANY situation ….CC sits..Kaplar plays…pitchers stay in…better pitchers in minors…on and on..
Listen, I’m tired of it, Maddman is going to screw this season up..I can feel it….Hopefully he will be gone…someone will be stuck with a bunch of min. wage players for 2011!
I was originally from NY for your information, I probably know alot more about the Yankees and the game of Baseball in general than you do, so I believe your the loser
Yeah, he clearly thought kapler is batter than carl crawford. thats why he sat CC.
And the best decision would have been to use the entire bullpen on a likely loss anyways. Im not saying the game couldnt have been saved, but I would have done the same thing.
Id like that
but i think he takes the whole series off, and gets back in the game tomorrow, and more of Aybar in DH
Yeah, it sucks not having him out there
You can tell the 11G home stand really took it out of him
PIZZA?!?
I'm pretty sure that post was sarcastic.
The GDT was a train wreck. That had to be SF1’s favorite game of the year. Shields got destroyed and Longoria didn’t go 5 for 5 with three homers.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Aug 7, 2010 7:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It was horrendous.
Something has to be done about this HellRayser guy.
At least Sternfan is a known troll and never really takes it too far if no one takes his bait.
HellRayser adds absolutely NOTHING constructive to the conversation at all. He has been banned before, and I really really hope it can happen again. I love spending time on the GDT’s, but not with a blatant troll who literally made the game more miserable than it already was.
i'm convinced he has to be someone else's troll account
guy is unreal
I was originally from NY for your information, I probably know alot more about the Yankees and the game of Baseball in general than you do, so I believe your the loser
Maybe Crawford is hurting?
The way things have been going, it wouldn’t be a suprise. Hope not but two straight days of Kapler may have been out of necessity?
Apparently SF1 was optimistic
before todays game
SternFan1 twitter
Claim the name, Yields vs. Tor = >3HR
by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 7, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions
No shit grandpa
but the rest of the tweet seemed spot on in explaining a few things.
by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 7, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice to see a couple post in a row from you,
that you don’t have to add a spelling correction. Stay on the wagon.
by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 7, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
When is there some honesty and accountability
regarding Shields? Look I understand its hard. I was as big a fan of Big Game as any. I still am but I am also realistic. This pitcher is not the same guy that came up. And its not just this season. For whatever reason he has become a very hittable pitcher over the past few seasons. And contiuing to rely on stats that ignore his HR and xBH but heavily on K & BB is giving a very false representation of his game. This season as usual he is stingy with his walks and gets a lot of strikeouts with his changup. Thats great but if those stats are the heavy dose of what is used to quantify a pitchers performance then you are missing a BIG part of the pitcher.
As I said his change is great, it carries him and gets lots of K’s. But his combination of fastballs & cutter are being HAMMERED. Look at the stats for those pitches and its alarming. There lies the problem with evaluationing his performance on just xFIP or FIP. It fails to work in his hittabiltiy and thus results of those pitches.
In James favor I guess?? this game he was done in by more than just the fastball. He just had no command (appearent in 4walks in 4 innings, not typical) so the Jays found more than just fastballs sitting over the plate to hammer.
Uhhh
I was as big a fan of Big Game as any. I still am but I am also realistic.
Ummm… OK…
And contiuing to rely on stats that ignore his HR and xBH but heavily on K & BB is giving a very false representation of his game.
The FIP metric takes HRs into account.
He just had no command
Command was definitely the primary issue today. The 4 walks could be a problem with control, but the meatballs over the plate confirmed that it was also a problem with his command. He wasn’t hitting the target at all today. Let’s hope he can gather himself for his next start though.
Baseball and fate is funny like that
Im worried these Jays are primed to thump his softpitch.
Now that I expect it and said it thats exactly why he will throw a CGSO :)
First time the Rays have given up 10+ in a nine-inning game in almost two months.
Just a little perspective.
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by Jamie DeVriend on Aug 7, 2010 8:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd say Bartlett's 2-3 with a double and a walk also is worth a mention
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but another cringeworthy defensive play (that didn't end up hurting us..like most of the rest of the performances)
I was originally from NY for your information, I probably know alot more about the Yankees and the game of Baseball in general than you do, so I believe your the loser
His defense has been awful in the Aybar 09 sense
I just don’t understand how its this bad. Its not just diminished range, but glove and arm too.
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He's ranked the 3rd worst defensive SS this year ahead only of Hanley & Yuni
And he’s in his 6th straight year of decline. Bottom 3 SS in baseball this year only ahead of Izturis & Yuni. He’s on a whole new level of bad.
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Aug 7, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That by DRS or UZR?
Do they both agree? Just curious.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 7, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
By UZR JB is at -4.3(-8.5 UZR/150)(3rd from bottom)
by DRS he’s tied for like 8-12th with a 5
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Aug 7, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Bartlett is headed in Arb3 with a 2010 salary of 4M
needless to say, he’s toast.
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Aug 7, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully Briggy is more than ready
definitely an upgrade in the field and possibly a higher upside bat
R.I.P. Scott Kazmir 2005-2008
His bat can't be much worse
And he’s considerably younger, he’s like 24-25 right now
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Aug 7, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If Shields' comments aren't giving you flashbacks to Kazmir, you need your head checked.
Here’s hoping we can sell as high on Big Game as we did with Kaz.
I love Kalas' post game comment
“set a Rays franchise record for most HR for two team”
ahh dude, the Rays hit but one
I believe our postseason and WS hopes lie in Shields and Garza
If those two can be consistently good, we’ll have a chance, but without them, what’s the gameplan? Hellboy? Uh…
I agree with your pessimism, but stranger things have happened.
I just hope people on this site start being realistic about Shields. Something is wrong with him, and given our pitching depth, I’d like to see him moved.
It's his FB & CT
They’ve been extremely poor pitches for him, he needs to build a new game plan built on off-speed pitches
PIZZA?!?
That's fine, but how is going to fix it?
He’s been forcing his fastball for some time now.
Throw less fastballs?
Maybe develop a slider instead to help offset some of the lack of FBs. Or a split
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Aug 7, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemann
Is it safe to assume that if he has to go on the DL, Hellickson will be in the rotation? I am still trying to figure out why Kapler is on the active roster instead of Jennings or Ruggiano. I don’t buy the “we want to keep him in the org” story. There is too much riding on a playoff appearance to play Mr. Nice Guy to Kapler.
I think Ruggiano is not in much favor with the organization
Jennings is in AAA to get starts
PIZZA?!?
ok
so fine, no Ruggiano. But then let’s give Jennings the call. I understand we want him to start. But we are talking about a few weeks here. If he played against every lefty we face, he’ll miss maybe 12-15 starts, at most, in Durham, before Sept 1. He’s clearly an upgrade on Kapler and Srod in the field, and would likely be an upgrade on Kapler with the bat, and on the bases.
We play too many close games, and are in too tough a division, to have two of the organizations best 25 players in AAA, in my opinion. Hellickson and Jennings would upgrade our roster.
Not to mention having them be in the big leagues for these last 50 or so games will give them valuable experience for possible playoff runs down the road when the load will be more heavily on their shoulders.
There's no place to play Jennings if they ran out the optimal line up
Pena/S-Rod/Briggy/Longo, CC/BJ/Zobrist Joyce-DH
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Aug 7, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
how often
are we running out that lineup? not often. Aybar and Kapler are getting enough AB’s that if those were given to Jennings, he’d get plenty of playing time.
If we run the lineup that you suggest out there, sure, let’s do that. But it’s just not happening. As someone mentioned earlier, the offense completely collapsed when Pena got hurt last year, and it hasn’t looked very good this week.
I'd rather not give Aybar/Kapler like any ABs & keep Jennings in AAA
Than just give Jennings those ABs.
Biggest issue is that the best guys on the 25-man roster aren’t out there & it’s maddening(no pun).
Some managers always seem to stick by 1 player too much-Torre is a notable example of the reliance on bad veterans.
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Aug 7, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Raymond is always a shameful sight
He ran out wearing pajamas once during a game. How unprofessional.
Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays
by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT
Aw come on. About every team in the majors has one or two similar games over a 163 game schedule.
They just need to get back on the horse tomorrow. Better to have a rocky stretch now than in mid September.
How many have multiple no hitters in the same season and go on to be successfull?
Gabe Krapler has the THIRD best job in the world !!
A real credit to the overall quality of this team and its manager.
One would have to think that with disasters like this, it would be out of the playoff chase by this time of the year — especially since they’re competing in MLB’s toughest division. That they still have the 2nd best season record in baseball is a tribute to their quality and leadership. I don’t se how anyone could feel any other way.
Sooooo... How about that Dan Johnson?
5 walks in 4 games now.
If John Jaso somehow strikes out, it means you didn’t do your job right as an umpire.
by raysrule44 on Jul 9, 2010 8:37 PM CDT
I think Blalock drew 5BBs total
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Aug 7, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
There was that one time he was IBB
We still dunno what they were thinking
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Aug 7, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Thundah Dan has been a sight for sore eyes in this recent skid
If indeed Pena doesn’t come back next season, it may not be all that bad if Johnson keeps producing like he has been,
Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays
by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT
With Sonny on the hill? Yes
But on the bright side, we don’t need a DH, which frees up an extra PH
Nicknames for Benoit-Soriano? How about ‘one and done’ describing the length of time they’re likely to be Rays
by sternfan1 on Jul 25, 2010 4:01 AM PDT
I wonder if Automator in OSX has an auto troll setting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
R.I.P. Scott Kazmir 2005-2008
Look on the bright side - 11 runs scored
When I was a kid, and a Mets fan, I was working with an old curmudgen Yank-off fan, who rode me hard about the Mets losing 26-7 one night to the Phils. But that run production was the best the Mets had in a couple of weeks at that point…so I took heart.
Of course, a big difference here is that the Mets, on balance, sucked then, and the Rays are good.
Throw yesterday away. Today will hopefully be better. Sonny is capable of throwing a good game, and maybe a soft tosser will affect the Totonto lineup like it does ours.
Here's why FG is such a joke. Yields still holding down a 3.71 xFIP
They probably still believe in Santa Claus too
One player does not break a statistic.
You have to look at the full picture….he also has a 4.83 tERA. I’ll have more on him tomorrow, but he’s an interesting case right now.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 8, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the concept of tERA
It gives a better illustration of how hard a pitcher is getting hit. I haven’t read too much about how accurate it has proven to be. But, still, I love the concept of it. Good to use with FIP and xFIP. Shields’ FIP is 4.56, so xFIP alone isn’t going to cut it.
i just find the 'x' such an objective stat
I reakize it has a statistical base, but who is to say how a player will perform in the future?
I just laugh at the experts in here who use Yield’s xFIP when he’s attacked as if it had any basis
because it's readily available without any manual computation
I’d love to rely on tERA, but I also like to break it down by certain splits and sites don’t do that.
by Jason Collette on Aug 8, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I rely on my eyes
which easily saw more bombs than the Japanese set off in Pearl Harbor
"Great, we lost to a country that still eat their young"
I was originally from NY for your information, I probably know alot more about the Yankees and the game of Baseball in general than you do, so I believe your the loser
Probably comment of the decade fyi
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "Free the slaves at traffic stops from false arrest and jury fixing"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 8, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you mean "subjective stat"?
Predicting how a player will perform in the future is tough and even the best predictions are still only that: predictions. Projections tend to be based around the 50th percentile, meaning 50% of the time the player will do worse than the projection and 50% of the time he’ll do better.
The big question for me with these HRs is “why?” Shields has had a bad homer problem this season – and he wasn’t great last season either – but why is that the case? Can we find a legit reason why, like his location has been horrible, sequencing is off, pitch velocity is down, whatever? When people point to xFIP, they’re basically saying, “I can’t find any common thread between these HRs to suggest this is a problem Shields should keep having.” If you can find a reason, outside of just saying “just look at him!”, then we can have a serious discussion about it. Why has he let these homeruns up? What does he need to change?
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 8, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what DanJo was musing as he circled the bases after
his HR yesterday. Maybe something like this “how freaking stupid this FO is to allow me to mash 30 HR, have a 400 OBP, more BB than Ks at Durham, while a POS like Gabe Kapler wears a MLB uniform”
I bet he was thinking to himself
“I wonder how SF1 is going to criticize this HR. DId it go far enough? Did I run around the bases fast enough? Was my shirt tucked in?”
by Jason Collette on Aug 8, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you reading Engrish for Dummies?
What type of sentence is that?
by Jason Collette on Aug 8, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What an original thought!
@FreeZorilla DanJo’s eyes on his HR trot say, “Screw you for leaving me in AAA for so long”
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