The Disappearance of Reid Brignac
The season started off so promising for Reid Brignac. In April, he sported a .334 wOBA and then followed that with a .373 in May. He even drew nine walks combined over those two months, which is a lot considering he has racked up just seven more in June, July, and August. The month of June didn't see Brignac fare particularly well - his wOBA for the month was .253 - but the same could be said of just about everyone on the offense. His plate appearances over the first three months fall right in line with what one would expect from a platoon player: 44, 74, 71. However, the last two months have seen his PAs fall to 55 in July and just 34 in August. What was once a solid shortstop platoon has transformed into a one-man band with Jason Bartlett beating the drum.
Take a look at the games in August in which the Rays have faced a right handed starting pitcher (in reverse order) , and which player of Brignac and Bartlett has started:
1. Lackey: Bartlett
2. Buccholz: Bartlett
3. Haren: Brignac
4. Santana: Bartlett
5. Mazarro: Bartlett
6. Cahill: Brignac
7. Hunter: Bartlett
8. Arrietta: Bartlett
9. Guthrie: Brignac
10. Verlander: Bartlett
11. Scherzer: Bartlett
12. Galarraga: Bartlett
13. Morrow: Bartlett
14. Slowey: Brignac
15. Baker: Bartlett
16. Pavano: Brignac at 2B, Bartlett at SS
That's 16 games, with Brignac getting the start at shortstop four times and second base once. Jason Bartlett, he of the career .691 OPS and .307 wOBA, started the other 12 times. Though it's a much smaller sample size, 318 PA, Brignac has a .723 OPS and .313 wOBA vs RHP. Brignac also has the advantage of unquestionably being the better defender. So then what is keeping him planted on the bench?
There isn't one correct answer to that question. His August numbers aren't lending much support to his cause. Granted, it's a very small sample size of 34 PA, but these numbers are far from inspiring: 2.9% BB, 40.6% K, .156/.176/.156 slash line, .250 BABIP, and a .143 wOBA. What seems to be a main cause behind those uninspiring numbers is Brignac's 10.0% line drive rate (LD%) and 50.0% fly ball rate (FB%). In Brignac's previous bad month, June, his FB% was also 50.0 while it fluctuated between 32%-37% in his good months of April, May, and July. His LD% had also never dipped below 21.4% and never rose above 23.7% in any previous month. A .250 BABiP certainly doesn't help things, but when you're hitting fly balls in half of your plate appearances it's hard to expect it to be much higher. It's likely a combination of bad luck and bad approach, but needless to say, Brignac needs to work on keeping the ball down if he hopes to see his numbers improve.
Another factor could simply be Joe Maddon's preference to have the veteran presence of
There is one month left in the season and the Rays are in a dog fight for the division title. Even though the shortstop position is arguably the weakest on the team, they’re likely going to need to squeeze every last bit of production out of each position to come out on top. If the Rays feel like giving a significant amount of September at bats to
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With Brignac, like all young players, he needs PT
And consistent playing time. You can’t throw him in once a week and expect he’ll build consistency. But that is his role at this point since Maddon’s going with Barty, for better or worse. I’m assuming that won’t be the case next year when the reins are handed over to Brignac.
by raysfaninminnesota on Sep 1, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions
I remember hearing people say Maddon would play Briggy more once the trade deadline passed.
That hasn’t worked out to be true, but I suppose the bright side of this is maybe it helps Bartlett’s trade value this off-season.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 1, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
Briggy's early season #'s were unsustainable
Chasing all over the place, with a BABIP near .400. Given his K% increase it seems teams learned how to beat him via scouting reports. High fastballs.
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Only one month did he have a BABIP over .400.
The others were normal.
by Erik Hahmann on Sep 1, 2010 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And that over .400 BABIP month was his one good month.
Unless he finds the power or can sustain a pretty high BABIP his hackish ways are going to make him a below average offensive player.
And his season BABIP is still beyond his AAA #'s
MLB typically has better defense
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The season BABIP is highly affected by the .400+ in June
The other months are in line or below.
by Erik Hahmann on Sep 1, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Could June have been his true talent level?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Could June have been his "300 game?"
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 1, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
CHONE projects Brignac as 1.4 wins worse per 150 games
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CHONE has no place projecting rookies
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking of Marcels, thanks.
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Based on his minor league numbers i question whether he'll ever be
a productive hitter, and especially a decent OBP player
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As for playing Brignac over Bartlett v RHP it may sound logical
but some players (Bartlett) just cannot platoon
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Brignac's season line is still better than Bartlett's.
They are two players going in opposite directions for their careers. I prefer playing Briggy now versus RHP, but I can see the argument for playing Barty in hopes of keeping his trade value decent. If he’s the starter at short next year, I’ll cry though. I see no reason Briggy can’t at least enjoy a career of equal success to Bartlett. His approach will imporve, and he’s already been a bout a league average hitter with a good glove at short.
Keeping his trade value up is not the reason Barty is playing--get a clue
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I agree
I definitely would like to see Reid get his shot next year. But I feel Bartlett helps the team more now, even vs RHP. Reid has looked lost the past few months.
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really? define 'lost' or is that one of those subjective terms that you rail on?
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get a clue
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by Tommy Rancel on Sep 1, 2010 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think he does
He did look lost earlier this season which potentially could be attributable to his hammy injury.
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I don't see him league average OBP--that 299 in '08 is more what i forecast
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Because player's generally get better in that regard with experience.
Think about the gains made by CC who was a terrible hacker at first, but while still hacky has really improved in that regard. Compare CC’s numbers his first couple years to where Reid is now, and you’ll see a lot of similarities.
This was a troll
But seriously, Crawford had/has far superior contact skills.
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He's also a LF.
The bar is set a bit lower for SS. Briggy’s power also emerged a bit earlier I believe.
That was also his third full year in the majors and he played 150 something games.
You can’t be serious with this argument.
Sure I can
ISO is a rate stat for one so games played doesn’t matter. He also didn’t enjoy the platoon advantage the way Reid has. Its true it was his third year in the majors, so? Does playing in MLB male you stronger?
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CC does also have an advantage of adjusting.
CC was worse his first two years than Reid, but he was up sooner. Reid took it slower and this is his rookie year. We’ll see, but I think you dismiss him too easily.
No no no
I think he is our SS of the future. For this pennant chase Bartlett is the better option.Reid will surely develop.
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Playing in MLB definitely doesn't female you stronger, I can tell you that.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Sep 2, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Not an attempt to highjack the thread, but rather reflect on the inevitable new
players we’ll be seeing next seeong including Brignac as an everyday SS
I see us looking up at TOR, BOS and NY for the better part of 2011
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Agreed
I look forward to new faces and outperforming everyone’s expectations
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Yes, and off-season trades are always fun.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I read where Carza, Upton and Bartlett will be traded
Wheeler will be let go, and probably Benoit
Soriano, Crawford and Pena are all FA who will probably leave
I see a couple that re easy to replace, but also some huge holes
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"I read where Carza, Upton and Bartlett will be traded "
If it happens, there will be players coming in return
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of course, but do you think those coming will be as accomplished as those leaving? No
so it’s only a guess if they make it or not
Recall Matt Sweeney
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Was he traded straight up for Kazmir?
Or did we also get your favorite player who helped out this year, and a lefty pitching prospect who had a nice year in AA
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um, look at the overall picture
clearing Kazmir’s salary was the only way the Rays could even consider getting Soriano. In addition, they added at least one young solid player in S-Rod…and all this for a broken down pitcher.
The Rays got the better end of that trade in a BIG way.
by raysfaninminnesota on Sep 1, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Garza, Upton, and Bartlett if traded will also bring back some nice pieces, so we can't completely just look at it from the view of them being off the team and that's it.
Players from those trades, plus Helly, Jennings, McGee, Leslie Anderson, and some others. I think it should be interesting and a fun off-season.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Nothing funnier than SF1 writing "I foresee us...l
And then following it up with one of his dumb, inane and soon to be incorrect predictions. Why does he still bother?
by fsucb on Sep 1, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Read my fanpost on Zobrist and let us know how wrong i was
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What about your predictions of no playoffs, how'd we fare over the last strecth of games, Yields last start, etc., etc.
Throw enough shit against the wall and some is bound to stick.
The one you wrote 4 days ago
1. You didnt really predict, so much as complain
2. Even if anything there could be construed as a prediction, it was 4 days ago.
by GomesSweetGomes on Sep 1, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
And
Howell back to his okd tricks….Look for a long losing streak..
Rays follow that by winning 6 of 7, and Howell becomes a bullpen ace for the year.
by GomesSweetGomes on Sep 1, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Define 'year' since we haven't seen him since early Sept
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You know, lately.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 1, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Zobrist? So at 30 you llok for him to have his comeback year--we'll see
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Define 'comeback'
Actually, don’t bother. It won’t save you from a semantics debate in the future.
by GomesSweetGomes on Sep 1, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
They have to showcase Bartlett for an off-season trade, otherwise they run the risk of non-tendering him.
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At the very least, give Brignac a year of consistent at bats to see what he can do
the guy needs consistent playing time. It was when he was in the lineup every day that he was performing his best.
by raysfaninminnesota on Sep 1, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
Reid Brignac is simply not a good hitter
His wOBA is sub-300 and his BABIP is 333
by benderbrodriguez on Sep 1, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
That's not my point. Don't twist my words.
A sub-300 wOBA from anyone barring a catcher or Franklin Gutierrez is simply unacceptable. Brignac’s only 24 so he should improve into a fine shortstop in the next year or few, but as of now, the fact is, his hitting is at a level where his defense simply can’t compensate for it.
by benderbrodriguez on Sep 1, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm of the opinion that it's relative to the sample size
He’s a better hitter than what the numbers bear out and feel that if he was playing with any consistency you would see something closer to his true talent level. Chasing the fastball seems to be his issue. You don’t get better at pitch recognition by sitting on the bench and watching others perform on a nightly basis.
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Perhaps if he had more playing time he'd be putting up better numbers.
But if he played every day then he’d also be facing lefties against whom he had a 638 OPS last year in AAA with a normal BABIP. I agree that he should be honing his skills in AAA rather than sitting on a bench right now, but the fact is, at the moment, his production is less than Bartlett’s
by benderbrodriguez on Sep 1, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Statcorner also says he has 278 plate appearances this year
Forgive me if I’m a bit skeptical of their methods
by benderbrodriguez on Sep 1, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade value
If the Rays strictly platoon Bartlett the rest of the season the Rays will lose leaverage in trade negotiations regarding Bartlett. Worse some teams may lose intrest, actually viewing him as only a platoon SS now.
How high can you value a intern
Kid is playing for a job, but never gets playing time…
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