More Lineup Protection: A Look at Where Pitchers Pitched Evan Longoria During Carlos Pena's Absence
Evan Longoria's slump from 8/1 to 8/15, which coincided with a DL stint from Carlos Pena, is well documented. His Ks, went up, his BABIP went down, his walks went down, and his balls weren't leaving the yard. Since Pena has returned, Longo has too. He's put up an OPS of 1.142 with 4 homers in the dozen or so games since Pena has returned.
The article mentioned above found that pitchers gave him less fastballs and he was swinging at more stuff (barring changeups). The general consensus seemed to be that the best thing to look at, more than pitch selection, was pitch location in relation to swinging. A look at the results of me dabbling in pitch f/x after the jump.
The table below takes a look at his swinging rates for pitches in and out of the zone.
| Season | 8/1 to 8/15 | |
|---|---|---|
| Z-Swing% | 62.3 | 59.0 |
| O-Swing% | 27.4 | 29.8 |
| Swing% | 44.0 | 44.0 |
These numbers appear to be roughly the same year round. He swung at a few more pitches out the zone and a couple fewer inside, but overall the differences seem to be fairly negligible. How about how pitchers were pitching to him? The table below looks at what percent of pitches were in and out of the zone based on the pitch type.
| Season | 8/1 to 8/15 | |
|---|---|---|
| FB Zone% | 51.4 | 52.0 |
| CB Zone% | 44.7 | 56.5 |
| SL Zone% | 42.9 | 41.9 |
| CH Zone% | 37.3 | 40.6 |
| Total Zone% | 47.7 | 48.3 |
This was quite a shock. After the results of the last article suggested that pitchers were being cautious and throwing Longoria fewer fastballs, I would've assumed that they would similarly be cautious and throw him less pitches in the zone. The opposite was true and, if anything, pitchers were more aggressive with how they were pitching to him in Pena's absence! His zone% increased for all pitch types except sliders, which decreased a negligible amount. This might just be small sample size noise, but given that he saw roughly ~240 pitches during these 15 games, I would think that it's safe to say that at the very least pitchers weren't pitching around him. The obvious question here is why exactly pitchers might do that.
Perhaps they identified that he was in a slump and pitched to him accordingly. Perhaps they thought the consequences of him getting on base wasn't as bad with Willy Aybar coming up to bat, rather than Pena. Perhaps the pitchers Longo faced over this stretch were simply "pounding the zone" more. Or, perhaps this change was simply random variation and had nothing to do with any conscious decisions of the players to treat Evan Longoria differently. It would be a mistake to look at this change and immediately assume correlation=causation, but at the very least it seems safe to say that, while pitchers did throw Longoria fewer fastballs during this time, they certainly weren't pitching around him. In the end, it's tough to say what impact Pena exactly has on the diet of pitches that Longoria ends up getting, but the theory of "Lineup Protection" is looking a lot less certain than it was a week ago.
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I think the issue is exactly what El Pingo said it was.
He was pressing because he felt like he had to make something happen for the team with every AB.
i'll tweet that prick right now
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by sternfan1 on Aug 21, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
PGP, quick question: Where did you get the splits on his swing rates and such?
from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum
I calculated them myself through pitch f/x data.
by PGP on Sep 2, 2010 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've said it before and I'll say it again
A lot of these types of things that have been ‘proven’ not to exist on a macro level actually do exist on a micro level.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If it was more fastballs in the zone, that would be one thing
But more breaking balls in the zone doesn’t mean they’re not trying to limit damage.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The logic behind lineup protection, at least as I've heard it, is that a good hitter guarantees the person in front of him "pitches to hit," i.e. pitches in the zone
by PGP on Sep 2, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I would guess that a good breaking ball in the zone has a higher total value than one out of the zone
If they don’t swing, it’s a strike; if they do, they still might miss because it’s a breaking ball. Pitching more aggressively, perhaps, but maybe it’s just that there’s more focus on getting the one man out who you think can hurt you most.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I don't think I've ever read a sabermetric piece on lineup protection that actually takes a look at how true it is or not
If you have seen somewhere that it’s been analyzed, could you link me please? I’m interested in whether or not my findings apply large-scale or just to Longo.
by PGP on Sep 2, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Take a look at "Baseball Between the Numbers"
It’s old at this point, but is a seminal piece and I’m pretty sure it has an article on line-up protection. Also, the editor is a familiar name.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Sep 2, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Mendoza Line comes to mind...
Carlos has tons of power and Evan plays better when he’s behind him but Carlos gets a hit every 2 at bats and doesn’t walk much… Mine as well throw BJ back there and tell him to hit a Homerun every at bat… wait he does that any way even in the 1 or 8 hole
by slak96u on Sep 3, 2010 2:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
You have got to be the dumbest new poster, yet.
You mention Mendoza around Pena then go on to say he gets a hit every other at bat? o_0 And you’d do wise to keep Beej’s name out of your mouth. Pena’s wOBA is 5th best on the team including his awful May. I’m satisfied with what he’s bringing to the table even though I expect better production. I’ve resisted the urge to flame you before, but I’ll bite and give you the attention you’re craving.
If this works, I want the copywrite and patent on the statistic.
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WOO HOO CARLOS IS BATTING .500! AND BJ HAS 140 HR!
you have no idea what you are talking about bro…. that is if you are being serious which I really hope you’re not
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Pena doesn't walk much?
He’s 5th in the majors in walk rate

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