Young Studs: Jaso, Joyce, Brignac, and Rodriguez
There are so many options for the Rays' most "pleasant surprise", I'm going to cheat and combine four of them into one. No matter how you look at it, John Jaso, Matt Joyce, Reid Brignac, and Sean Rodriguez have been incredible additions to the Rays this season. While only Jaso and Brignac are technically rookies (Joyce and Rodriguez got too many plate appearances with their former teams), all five players had less than one full season of major league experience going into this year and yet they've all transitioned exceptionally well to the majors. Look at how they compare to a league-average player, measured by the runs above average they've added and saved for the Rays:
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Offense |
Defense |
WAR |
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John Jaso |
+10.5 |
-2.0 |
2.6 |
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Sean Rodriguez |
+1.3 |
+5.6 |
2.0 |
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Matt Joyce |
+7.3 |
+4.4 |
1.6 |
|
Reid Brignac |
-5.4 |
+1.6 |
0.8 |
*The values in the Offense and Defense columns are taken from Weighted Runs Above Average (wRAA) and Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR). WAR stands for Wins Above Replacement.
Breaking into the majors can be tough for many players, even top rookies. For every Buster Posey and Carlos Santana, there is a Travis Snider or Matt Wieters. For every Stephen Strasburg, there is a David Price (who, if you remember correctly, had a 4.42 ERA and 4.59 FIP last season). Rookies can take time to adjust to the majors and some never learn how to do it.
Heck, just look at the Orioles this season. They have a wealth of minor league talent and young prospects, but they have taken time to come around on the major league level. Their slugging thirdbaseman of the future, Josh Bell, has hit .220/.231/.326 in his stint in the majors this year. Jake Arrietta has a 4.96 ERA and a FIP to match. Matt Wieters - the man, the myth, the legend - has hit .255/.328/.395 so far, and that's with a recent hot streak to boost his numbers. Prospects are so much fun to follow and root for, but they can take a lot of patience.
And so, we shouldn't take the recent performances by Jaso, Joyce, Rodriguez, and Brignac for granted. At the beginning of the season, there were question marks and concerns about all four of them: Jaso and Briggy were fading prospects whose stars had dimmed, Joyce had his large platoon splits, and Rodriguez had poor plate discipline and carried the unfortunate burden of being the major piece in the Scott Kazmir trade. And yet, all four of these prospects have blossomed at the major-league level and become key cogs for the 2010 Rays.
How often has a team had so many young players contribute so much, so quickly? It's not a common occurrence, so be thankful.
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Benoit was a good guess...he's also up there.
Lots of people guessed Jaso, so points to all of you.
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Brignac
Significantly below average offensively, only slightly above average defensively. Why is he grouped with the other three? I certainly do not consider him a major contributor nor a pleasant surprise this season. The potential remains there, but if anything I’d characterize his rookie season as a mild disappointment.
by Expatriate in Tampa on Sep 9, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
I was expecting this to come from sf1...
I included him because he’s still contributed and served his role with the team this season. The concern was always with his defense, and he’s shown to be at worst average at short.
Also, the numbers above compare a player with a league-average hitter, regardless of position. Shortstops as a whole are worse hitters than average, so Briggy’s offense hasn’t been as bad as it appears above.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 9, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ouch
Being compared with Eeyore (sf1) hurts. I’m nowhere near as negative as Eeyore is about the team. But Brignac is one Ray who has not yet convinced me of his value. I guess I’m in the minority here, but I’m not at all disappointed that Maddon has largely relegated him to part-time play.
by Expatriate in Tampa on Sep 9, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, no worries....I said it in jest.
And there are others here that feel similarly to you. PGP and Freezo are in the Barty camp, and I tend to hedge my position. I think he’s performed well compared with expectations for him coming into the year and I’m excited to see him play more next season. I love his defense and I’d like to see him play more, but I don’t think it’s the end of the world right now.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 9, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
if you look at when he was getting regular pt his offense was up.
while I’m not saying he would be an allstar I’d imagine he’d be at least average offensivly if he played everyday. And slo I was close enough right :)
Yeah, you probably came the closest of everyone.
I award you 9 imaginary DRB points. Spend them wisely.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 9, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
How about as a prize I will photoshop your face onto Mark Wahlberg's body?
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You are not in the minority
Brignac’s bat is atrocious.
I must say that I'm really pleasantly surprised at Jaso's offense.
I recall a few months ago when we were talking about how his OBP was going to come down, but it still lingers in the insanity range. Pretty sweet for a guy we didn’t expect to see this year.
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there has to be something to be said about his baserunning too
not many players, much less catchers take as many extra bases as he does…especially on passed balls and wild pitches…Rays still lost last night but he made a run by taking 3rd base on a ball 90% of runners wouldn’t have even attempted to go on.
He has the second highest Speed score for catchers this season.
Definitely true…he’s a heck of a baserunner.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 9, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta love the guy
I would love to see him get the majority of the playing time at catcher next year but he probably won’t
reminds ne if the 08 team
i think thy went to the world series
by The Juicer on Sep 8, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I see it being similar to this year...Jaso vs. righties and Shoppach vs. lefties.
With some odd days due to rest and such. But a lot can happen between now and then.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 9, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone checked out Joyce's numbers?
take out his 19 AB’s against lefties and he’s hitting .262/.398/.545 with 23 of his 38 hits going for XB. His plate discipline is also amazing, sporting a 32-31 BB/K. Give him a full year against righties and he can hit 25-30 HR. Doesn’t matter if he can hit lefties. He’s still a force in the lineup.
by raysfaninminnesota on Sep 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions
and revisiting the EJax trade
getting Joyce for him still looks to be an excellent trade.
by raysfaninminnesota on Sep 9, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness, Jackson has an impressive 3.83 xFIP.
But given our wealth of pitching talent and our need for better hitting, I like the trade.
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I can't tell if you're making fun of me or agreeing with me.
So I’ll respond twice:
Agreed.
And…
[Thou art] pigeon-liver’d and lack gall.
- William Shakespeare, from Hamlet
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by BWoodrum on Sep 9, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was agreeing somewhat.
Agreeing to the depth part, but also adding the HUGE cost savings. Not making fun fo’ sure.
I was going to mention that too, but forgot.
Joyce is cheap and could make a huge difference this season and in seasons to come. Moreover, he brings strength to our comparative weakness, which makes each extra bit of value multiplicatively more valuable.
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Yeah, well...
[Thou have] not so much brain as ear wax.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 9, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot to cite....
- Wife’s Shakespearean insults coffee mug
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's make this similar to an IQ question
Example
Which item doesn’t belong?
Apple, peach, carrott, orange
Answer is—carrott
Jaso, Rodriguez, Joyce, Brignac
Answer is _____________
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by sternfan1 on Sep 9, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
wrong-- the apple doesn't belong, the other three have orange-hued meat.
Man I just saw a tall super model giraffe lookin ass bitch and I thought I could fuck her an make 1 of them super ball dunkin ass niggas lol
by pudieron89 on Sep 9, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll never understand your desire to run our players in to the ground.
He’s the best SS on the team. Face it.
I love the other three
but Briggy is never going to hit or be a good enough OBP guy to suit me
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Why do you give us such delictable quotes?!
You are feeding us fodder for future seasons!
You should what I do: Write everything in tl;dr fashion. Spare no expense in your treatises — use words that sate the soul’s appetite for the unwieldy and employ dozens syllables. This way, only a few people will read it, and they will be hard pressed to remember it in a year when the over-zealous diction has turned their minds to a pasty mush.
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League average for an AL SS: .253/.321/.337 for a .658 OPS
Briggy: .261/.309/.381 for a .690 OPS this season. Better than league-average for a SS…not bad for a player’s first year in the majors.
Asking your SS to be a good hitter is rough….there aren’t many around.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 9, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's hope Beckham is the answer in 2013
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I'm very surprised that SRod's WAR is higher than Joyce's
Given Joyce’s huge offensive advantage and how relatively close they are defensively. I assume the reason is a large positional advantage in favor of SRod?
by Expatriate in Tampa on Sep 9, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
Look at SeanRod's UZR/150 in RF and 2B and you might be surprised
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Yup, S-Rod has played more 2B, which is a more premium position than RF.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 9, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget general overall playing time
S-Rod has been here all season. Joyce, only since end of June.
PIZZA?!?
I'm really interested to see what Sean Rod can do against RHP with enough playing time
And to a lesser extent what Joyce can do to LHP with enough reps. Of course, this is after this season. Even if we aren’t competitive next year we’ll be fun to watch.
by sattp on Sep 9, 2010 7:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
"incredible addtions" is a little too much of a compliment.
the four stand out more because of the below average players who were the alternative- Kapler, Navi, Gross and to a lesser extent Aki.
well, I'd look again at most of them at least
Jaso is an incredible addition – he ranks as the 8th best catcher in MLB according to WAR (just below the Mauer-McCann-Posey group)
Joyce has been an incredible addition – his power vs right handed pitching has been a difference-maker since he has been up
S-Rod has made an impact – fangraphs has him as the 7th best defender at 2B, is .316/.393/.495 vs lefties
Brignac may not be an incredible addition, but he’s been better than any other backup shortstop and one of the better pinch hitters in the league.
Incredible additions is not a far stretch, especially when you consider where would the Rays be at C without Jaso, and Joyce’s power production with other bats slumping, etc
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