Morosi: Athletics and Grant Balfour Close to a Deal
by Steve Slowinski on Jan 14, 2011 10:59 AM EST
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#Athletics, reliever Grant Balfour close to multiyear deal, source tells FOXSports.com.
There's no word out on the money involved, but we all know how much the Rays don't like giving multi-year contracts to relievers. It's most likely that Balfour is getting a pretty impressive payday here, and if so, good for him. I'll always remember Balfour's many spectacular moments with the Rays, especially this one from the 2008 playoffs.
If this report is true, it means the Rays will be stuck receiving Oakland's second-round pick, seeing as their first round pick is protected (h/t Jason Collette). We'll still receive a supplementary first-round pick, bringing our final total to 10 first round draft picks. This could be an exciting draft year.
I was personally hoping Balfour might come back, but there's no reason to panic. Jon Rauch is still sitting there on the market, forgotten and neglected, and we may yet be able to snag him. Fingers crossed!
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I'm wondering if being closer to home so he can fly over quicker was part of it?
Rauch’s opportunities are drying up, quickly. I’d rather pay for him than pay for Balfour’s full value coming off the season he’s had. After Soriano’s deal last night, I’m afraid Balfour is going to have an AAV of somewhere in the 4.5-5m range
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions
His "home" is here now.
Married and built a house in the Tampa Bay area. I’m in the same situation and flying back to Australia just doesn’t happen on a whim (of course he’s gonna be making a shitload more money than me)
This is all to do with the multiyear deal he deserved and I am more than a little gutted the Rays couldn’t pony up, but am happy that Grant’s getting paid.
….. now to come up with a new avatar.
by AussieGriff on Jan 14, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I still think the stumbling block for the Rays is not the money
but the years.
In any case, perhaps we are also missing something when thinking about the apparently overpriced contracts some relievers are getting. The Red Sox, Yankees and apparently now the As seem to be building their pitching staffs to shorten games by signing very talented relievers to set up and perhaps flexible roles. It will be interesting to see how the managers use their starters when they feel confident that they can get 3 or even 4 innings of similar work from relievers. Might pitchers like Mitre, Matsuzaka (even Beckett) and their ilk be pluses or at least adequate, if they can just let it out for 5 innings without worrying about going to lesser pitchers for the last four?
And might it allow the managers to limit the innings of younger starters with more confidence as well. Perhaps Hughes or Brett Anderson, Cahill and Gonzalez or even Buccholz is only asked to go 5-6 innings most games even if pitching well.
In fact, isn’t signing pitchers such as Soriano, Jenks and even Balfour possibly a surreptitious way to use some variation of the much maligned “closer by committee” model whereby the manager can preserve the effectiveness of his designated closer by using him less since he has alternatives with name recognition? (I realize Balfour is a stretch for that concept but the As already have 2 pitchers who have been closers before anyway.)
Well
Total bullpen overhaul = complete…. Sad to see Grant go, but boy do I love those picks. Also glad were not giving him multiple years if that is indeed the case. That being said, we still need another proven arm at the back end. If we end up with Rauch, Friedman absolutely dominated the restructuring of the pen.
by BJ the Bossman on Jan 14, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions
If Sonny wasn't a fill in SP, Friedman would of replaced everyone
And Aussie, you got confused, you meant to sign with the Cardinals and get us a 4th 1st rounder.
Under construction
Also, meant to include this in the article, but it's impressive that Balfour is the only one to sign with a team with a protected pick.
Considering that initially, it was looking like we could have gotten screwed over and received much less than 10 picks. Things could be worse.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 14, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions
I want Rauch over Ball-four anyway (yes now that he's gone the name is back)
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by sternfan1 on Jan 14, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Before we send a 'thanks Aussie' card
let’s not forget how he damn near blew our shot at our only WS with his performance in Gm 5 of the ’08 ALCS v BOS 4 ER 1 HR in less than an IP
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You just couldnt help yourself could you
by BJ the Bossman on Jan 14, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Who is gonna fill this huge void for sf1 now??
No balfour to hate on. I cant wait to see who he chooses this year
by BJ the Bossman on Jan 14, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
at this point i like Russell
he’s from NE Ohio (N. Olmstead) very near where i’m from
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i have no problem with anything Friedman's done thus far--but i want some hitters and Rauch
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We all do, Sterny.
Let’s get Manny, Andruw (or Branyan), Rauch and take the Wild Card.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 14, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
This is dumb.
If John Jaso somehow strikes out, it means you didn’t do your job right as an umpire.
by raysrule44 on Jul 9, 2010 8:37 PM CDT
You know, I'd actually begun to respect some of your posts and then you go and do this.
Why not blame him for losing the World Series too? He did “start” in our rain-delayed game, remember….
by AussieGriff on Jan 14, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
3 1st rd's and 7 sandwich picks
Friedman turns 2 waiver claims and Jesse Chavez into 5 of the first 65 picks. That’s how shit is done!
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:13 AM EST reply actions
It really is unreal
If the bullpen is even league average this year, with big parts of our bullpen still developing to an extent (McGee and Russell), than I really believe this is the most impressive thing Friedman has done so far. I know Evans contract is sweet, but this is just mind blowing
by BJ the Bossman on Jan 14, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Order
24th, 31st, 32nd, and then
Supplemental First Round
Nationals (for Type-A Adam Dunn)
Blue Jays (for Type-A Scott Downs)
Red Sox (for Type-A Victor Martinez)
Rangers (for Type-A Cliff Lee)
Rays (for Type-A Carl Crawford)
Phillies (for Type-A Jayson Werth)
Red Sox (for Type-A Adrian Beltre)
Rays (for Type A Grant Balfour)
Diamondbacks (for Type-B Adam LaRoche)
Mets (for Type-B Pedro Feliciano)
Rockies (for Type-B Octavio Dotel)
Blue Jays (for Type-B John Buck)
White Sox (for Type-B J.J. Putz)
Padres (for Type-B Jon Garland)
Giants (for Type-B Juan Uribe)
Twins (for Type-B Jesse Crain)
Yankees (for Type-B Javy Vazquez)
Rays (for Type-B Joaquin Benoit)
Blue Jays (for Type-B Miguel Olivo)
Padres (for Type-B Yorvit Torrealba)
Twins (for Type-B Orlando Hudson)
Rays (for Type-B Randy Choate)
Blue Jays (for Type-B Kevin Gregg)
Padres (for Type-B Kevin Correia)
Rays (for Type-B Brad Hawpe)
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yes - Soriano would come in ahead of Werth...and Crawford for that matter
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
If it was by record then all three of our Type A's would be before Philly
but apparently that may not be the case?
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
And the Red Sox's for Beltre would be too
But it evidently isn’t. I think maybe they’re just throwing darts
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
And dont worry, Im sure Gary Shelton is already writing this article
oh no wait I got that confused with “season over, move the team”
by BJ the Bossman on Jan 14, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks to BA for most of this. I've filled in the rest to the best of my knowledge
First Round
1. Pirates
2. Mariners
3. Diamondbacks
4. Orioles
5. Royals
6. Nationals
7. Diamondbacks (for failure to sign 2010 first-rounder Barret Loux)
8. Indians
9. Cubs
10. Padres (for failure to sign 2010 first-rounder Karsten Whitson)
11. Astros
12. Brewers
13. Mets
14. Marlins
15. Brewers (for failure to sign 2010 first-rounder Dylan Covey)
16. Dodgers
17. Angels
18. Athletics
19. Red Sox (from Tigers for Victor Martinez, Type A)
20. Rockies
21. Blue Jays
22. Cardinals
23. Nationals (from White Sox for Adam Dunn, Type A)
24. Rays (from Red Sox for Carl Crawford, Type A)
25. Padres
26. Red Sox (from Rangers for Adrian Beltre, Type A)
27. Reds
28. Braves
29. Giants
30. Twins
31. Rays (from Yankees for Rafael Soriano, Type A)
32. Rays
33. Rangers (from Phillies for Cliff Lee, Type A)
Supplemental First Round
34. Nationals (Dunn)
35. Blue Jays (for Scott Downs, Type A, to Angels)
36. Red Sox (Martinez)
37. Rangers (Lee)
38. Rays (Soriano)
39. Rays (Crawford)
40. Rays (Balfour)
41. Phillies (for Jayson Werth, Type A, to Nationals)
42. Red Sox (Beltre)
43. Diamondbacks (for Adam LaRoche, Type B, to Nationals)
44. Mets (for Jose Feliciano, Type B, to Yankees)
45. Rockies (for Octavio Dotel, Type B, to Blue Jays)
46. Blue Jays (for John Buck, Type B, to Marlins)
47. White Sox (for J.J. Putz, Type B, to Diamondbacks)
48. Padres (for Jon Garland, Type B, to Dodgers)
49. Giants (for Juan Uribe, Type B, to Dodgers)
50. Twins (for Orlando Hudson, Type B, to Padres)
51. Yankees (for Javier Vazquez, Type B, to Marlins)
52. Rays (for Joaquin Benoit, Type B, to Tigers)
53. Blue Jays (for Miguel Olivo, Type B, to Mariners)
54. Padres (for Yorvit Torrealba, Type B, to Rangers)
55. Twins (for Jesse Crain, Type B, to White Sox)
56. Rays (for Randy Choate, Type B, to Marlins)
57. Blue Jays (for Kevin Gregg, Type B, to Orioles)
58. Padres (for Kevin Correia, Type B, to Pirates)
59. Rays (for Brad Hawpe, Type B, to Padres)
60. Rays (for Chad Qualls, Type B, to Padres)
Second-Round Changes
66. Phillies (from Nationals for Werth)
74. Blue Jays (from Angels for Downs)
75. Rays (from Athletics for Balfour)
Third-Round Changes
None
Supplemental Third Round
121. Mariners (for failure to sign 2010 third-rounder Ryne Stanek)
Remaining Type A Compensation Free Agents
Starting Pitchers: Carl Pavano (Min).
Remaining Type B Compensation Free Agents
Third Basemen: Felipe Lopez (Bos).
Relief Pitchers: Aaron Heilman (Ari)
So we’d pick 24, 31, 32, 38, 39, 40, 52, 56, 59, 60, 75, and 89 by the time the second round is over
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd for awesome reference.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 14, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I figured Balfour would come after Phillies and Red Sox picks because those Type A's were higher & had worse record
I guess I’m wrong?
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
It's definitely possible
BA listed our Crawford pick above the Phillies’ Werth one while Werth had a better score and the Phillies had a worse record, so I honestly have no clue.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
It says
The order of the supplemental round between the first and second rounds is determined by inverse order of the previous year’s standings. All the Type A picks are done first, and then the order resets for all the Type B compensation picks.
That’s why I was thinking it was 42nd
Last night, Callis said we had 24, 31, 32, 38, 41, 51, 55, 58, and 59.
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Link to Callis tweeet
http://twitter.com/#!/jimcallisBA/status/25913377356251136
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Can't get on Twitter here
But if he happens to update that today it’d be great if you could post it
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Oops, Phillies had a better record
So it goes by Elias score for type A’s
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
...My bad
I meant to type record for Type A’s and Elias score for Type B’s
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, please.
Maybe write out all of round two? Rays pick #88 from their own pick there, I believe.
by Sky Kalkman on Jan 14, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I'm at work currently so I'm just going to stick to commenting
If someone wants to make a FanPost with it all, that’d be great, if not, I will when I get home
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
At least we are done losing guys
Unless people are gonna cry when Cormier, Aybar and Kapler sign elsewhere
Rocco isn’t signed but I think he’s done playing and will come back to being a coach and stay there.
Under construction
I'd like to see Willy get a chance to get in shape and make the team in some capacity, not so much on Cormier
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I have no problem NRIing both.
Same with Rocco…
It couldn’t hurt.
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by raysrule44 on Jul 9, 2010 8:37 PM CDT
raysrev alert, raysrev alert
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 14, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
He's had a lot of big hits for us and I'm sure the market isn't huge
If he was willing to take like a Mil guaranteed to go sit in Durham, it’s not a bad insurance policy.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Which is basically what DanJo did last year
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely.
Wouldn’t even mind giving him a split contract to keep him around.
If John Jaso somehow strikes out, it means you didn’t do your job right as an umpire.
by raysrule44 on Jul 9, 2010 8:37 PM CDT
OK, I'm showing
24th (from Boston)
31st (from New York)
32nd (their own)
38th (losing Soriano from MLB)
39th (losing Crawford from MLB)
40th (losing Balfour from MLB)
52nd (losing Benoit from MLB)
56th (losing Choate from MLB)
59th (losing Hawpe from MLB)
60th (losing Qualls from MLB)
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions
This makes sense and I think it's correct.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
and add in the 72nd pick (from Oakland) and our own (86th)
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Oakland's 75 and we're 89, right?
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
couldn't figure that out - figured it will change anyhow before the draft
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Copying this from my post in joey's fanpost
99% how sure it works is
Everyone with a Type A pick gets a pick in draft order, but only one pick. Then every team that has two Type A picks get another one in draft order (this would be Boston and us, so Boston would be ahead). Then every time with a third Type A (just us) gets a pick. Then Type B’s are awarded solely on Elias score
So:
Supplemental First Round
34. Nationals (Dunn)
35. Blue Jays (for Scott Downs, Type A, to Angels)
36. Red Sox (Martinez)
37. Rangers (Lee)
38. Rays (Soriano)
39. Phillies (for Jayson Werth, Type A, to Nationals)
40. Red Sox (Beltre)
41. Rays (Crawford)
42. Rays (Balfour)
That should be the correct order for all the Type A guys, then from LaRoche on it looks good
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Don't understand why Phillies are in front since slotting is based on record
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Our first one is in front of Philly
Maybe this is a better way to explain it: Every team that got a Type A pick will get one comp pick before any team can get two.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
ah, that makes sense...
I thought they just piled in the picks regardless of what the standings were
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I did too initally but rglass brought this up and looking back
it looks like no team ever got consecutive comp picks for type As (unless they had 3 like we did). For example 09 went:
Mariners
Rockies
D-Backs
Dodgers
Jays
White Sox
Brewers
Angels
D-Backs
Angels
Arizona had two Type A’s in Cruz and Hudson but had to wait until after everyone picked once to go again. Then the Angels had K-Rod and Teixeira, same thing.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
that's nearly 2x what he made last year
Good for him…and finally a decent signing in this crazy market.
If fans want to bitch about “We could have done that!” – they have a beef in this case but the picks > player in this case.
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
If you consider Farnsworth to be a replacement Balfour, we basically got someone as good as he was for half the price and only a 1 year committment.
I’m a little more OK with Balfour going elsewhere then letting Qualls walk since the Padres got him pretty damn cheap.
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Also, melanin makes people lazy.
The .25 includes the buyout, if we pick up the second year that's not folded into the contract, right?
So it’s more like 2.75 & 3 OR just 3
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
With buyout it's $4M, although then you'd get second year for $2M
I just wanted to hit home that extra years aren’t a bad thing. In fact, they are good. What’s bad is when you start overpaying for those extra years. For example, if you look at Balfour’s deal as $5M for the first year and $3M for the second, it’s hard not to like the price of the first year. And then it’s tough to argue that the second year is a waste.
I screwed up; I was for some reason associating Qualls' contract with Farnsworth and comparing that to what Balfour got.
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Also, melanin makes people lazy.
Link? Option for 3rd year?
Damn right I have a beef with it … but in Friedman I trust, so I will just be happy for both sides of the deal and continue to wear my Balfour jersey to games “in memoriam”
by AussieGriff on Jan 14, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Olney says 2 yrs, $8.1m.
No mention of 3rd year.
I’m wondering if being on the west coast was a draw for him so he could fly home easier.
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions
No need to commit to that 2nd year for us
every year there’s a new crop
as i tweeted, at this point why is Balfour worth so much more than Farnsworth?
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Hmm
I responded to your theory up top. I doubt it had anything to do with it really … his home is in the Tampa Bay area now – as in he’s built here and married an American. Perhaps the inverse is true though – makes it easier for his friends and family to fly over and see a game.
I’m sure it’s the multiyear thing and that alone.
From the A’s point of view – maybe you or someone else can clarify this – if they’re out of the hunt next season, couldn’t they trade Balf mid-season and get their pick back? (and would it still be a 2nd round pick, or would it be a sandwich pick?)
by AussieGriff on Jan 14, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think teams can trade players they signed until June 1
And the draft is June 6, so that’s a small window. But if they traded him, no, they wouldn’t get the pick back.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I meant in the following season's draft.
I kinda think I read something along these lines once but it obviously didn’t stick and I can’t find anything to support it now…..
by AussieGriff on Jan 14, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
The only way to get a pick is if a player leaves via FA
so a trade wouldn’t impact the draft at all
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Time to call on oakland on their relievers
Maybe a blockbuster deal for andrew bailey?
craig breslow is a workhorse left reliever
3 buy low candidates are mike wuertz, brad ziegler, and joey devine
outside of Bailey we have the equivalent in house
add Rauch and a couple NRI )Acevas, Veras) and let’s go
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Just a thought, why all the rumbling of the exact order of the supplemental round?
We got a bunch of picks, leave it at that
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Just a desire to get it right
Obviously being off my a pick or whatever isn’t a big deal, but might as well get it correct
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
What else are you going to do in the middle of January other than stare out the window and wait for Spring?
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
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Add DelCarmen to your list above and a couple of lefties
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Fun calculations:
The Rays are 1 of 30 MLB teams, thus ~3% of the league.
They have 11 of the first 89 picks, and thus will receive 12.3% of the 89 best amateurs in 2011.
A mere 3% is getting 12.3% of the top of the draft. That’s absurd.
Plus: If you multiply those numbers together, you get 0.369%. Divide Bartlett’s 2010 WAR (~1.5489) by 0.369% and you get, yes, you guessed it, 420.
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The only downside that we don't pick until 24
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Someone (not i) should comprise a list of notable
picks from 24-89 over the last few years
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from Aaron Gleeman
Oh, and the Rays also have their own second-round pick, which is 88th overall, giving them 12 of the top 88 picks. Based on Victor Wang’s work on draft pick value over at The Hardball Times, those 12 picks are likely worth around $30 million. That won’t help Tampa Bay contend in 2011, but it’ll go a long way toward keeping the farm system stocked for years to come.
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
2005
Matt Garza
Colby Rasmus
Clay Buchholz
Kevin Slowey
Yunel Escobar
2004
JP Howell
Huston Street
Reid Brignac
Yovano Gallardo
Hunter Pence
Dustin Pedroia
Wade Davis
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
2003
Chad Billinglsey
Daric Barton
Carlos Quentin
Adam Jones
Scott Baker
Andre Ethier
Shaun Marcum
2002
Joe Blanton
Matt Cain
Joey Votto
Jon Lester
Jon Broxton
Brian McCann
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff, thanks.
That’s a 65-pick range, with 4-6 productive players per season. 6-10% hit rate is a bit depressing.
Although, the players you listed are mostly quite good, meaning there are probably more who have contributed at least a little bit.
I've seen 30% thrown around as the number of league average players drafted in the first round (obviously very top-heavy)
So we’ve set ourselves up for at least one average player of our 3 first rounders which is pretty awesome. I’d love a few more Brignacs in the system.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Just go here and enter whatever numbers you want
http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?overall_pick=24&draft_type=&
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
seems financially unlikely
That’s $15MM+ on the first two rounds alone, which would be ~50% more than the Rays have ever spent on the draft.
My guess is that the Rays take the best player at 24 (akin to Sale in 2010), then 5-6 signability/slot guys (guys like Jake Thompson, Ryan Brett from 2010), then 4-5 “home run” guys (like Nick Castellanos, Austin Wilson, Stetson Allie in 2010) and play them all off of each other with the hopes of signing 1-2.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 14, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but we have more than 50% more picks than we ever have
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like that
But look at the Rays 2010 draft. They drafted well — I’ve argued that previously — but they also drafted with an eye towards avoiding paying out multiple significant overslot bonuses.
For example: In the first round, the Rays took Drew Vettleson ($845,000 signing bonus) and passed on Nick Castellanos ($3.45M signing bonus). In the second and third round, the Rays took solid players — Jake Thompson, Derek Dietrich, and Ryan Brett — all of whom I like, and all of whom signed for $555,000 or less. They passed on A.J. Cole, Garin Cecchini, and others.
So — I don’t know. I hold open the possibility that the Rays will spend somewhere between $15MM and $20MM on next year’s draft. I just don’t think it’s in the upper range of possibilities.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 14, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I actually agree with you
They’ll go over-slot on some guys not not way over slot
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
There might have been longer term ramifications to those picks
Suppose the Rays went with signable guys because they knew they would have a ton of picks in 2011, rolling over the pick (if they couldn’t reach agreement) would have given them another 1st in the upcoming draft, but we already have a ton of them.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Good point on that, and I believe we all speculated here about that in June of last year.
By we all, I mean the 10 of us that think of things like this.
I'd say you're a bit high
on that number
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not all the time, just nights and all day on the weekend
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Can't do it, I have to feel my freshest while sitting in my living room conducting business
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I love his pricetag. Only $3M with some incentives.
If that’s all it’ll take to get Manny or Vlad, that’s gonna be fun.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Jan 14, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly what I was thinking.
If John Jaso somehow strikes out, it means you didn’t do your job right as an umpire.
by raysrule44 on Jul 9, 2010 8:37 PM CDT
If 1 yr 3 mil sets the market for the rest of the DH types, I'll be very happy.
Money being less of an issue now, we should be the more desired destination given the number of ABs available.
If John Jaso somehow strikes out, it means you didn’t do your job right as an umpire.
by raysrule44 on Jul 9, 2010 8:37 PM CDT
Honestly don't think a couple million means a lot to either manny (200 million) or vlad (100+ million)
I might be wrong though. At this point I’d say location+PT are the biggest thing for them
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 14, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
so - with a zillion early draft picks
Do we significantly increase our draft budget for the coming year? Or pick safe/cheap players?
Nice ot have a lot of picks, but if you don’t have money allocated to sign them…
There is no way we do safe/cheap picks next year
This is the deepest draft class in years (so say the scouts) and frankly it could be the last year without hard slotting. Expect all of MLB to break the bank
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 14, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
We really need to sign a Manny or Vladdy
Branyan, Giambi, Jones or Nick Johnson would be a poor settle
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One from the top and one from the bottom.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 14, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Johnson on a flier would be a great signing
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
He's a very productive player
What price tag do think he could be had at?
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Given his injuries, I would think a low base with incentives, no?
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 14, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's probably not realistic
But even for 75-80 games I’d think he’d be a bargain
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
You and Nick Johnson, both.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but I was about to throw a figure out when I realized I have no clue what would be appropriate
I just don’t enough about contract stuff
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
It's difficult to say without knowing how much of a discount Thome took to return to Minnesota.
If $3M was his best offer, then Johnson shouldn’t get that much in base. Maybe $1-1.5M.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 14, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't see it
On a team with Dan Johnson, Matt Joyce, and Reid Brignac — not to mention possibly Leslie Anderson and Sam Fuld — that’s an awful lot of left-handedness. Adding a lefty pinch-hitter just doesn’t seem to maximize the roster space.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Nick Johnson’s OBP as much as anyone. But I have a hard time seeing this.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 14, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Johnson would basically be a full-time DH for me
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
okay, and in May?
I think the DH spot is the one thing the Rays absolutely have to get right this offseason — it’s an easy way to net ~3 wins over last year’s sinkhole of suck, and those 3 wins are likely to be the difference between being out of the wildcard race and being in it.
I just don’t see that working out with a guy who’s essentially never healthy.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 14, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking of Nick Johnson as our 1b
He plays ok defense and if we could get 90-100 games out of him, he could be worth 1.50-2 WAR. Dan Johnson picks up most of the additional 60 games or so and contributs .5-1 WAR and we’ll have 2-3 WAR out of 1b. That’s 1-2 wins more than we got out of Pena last year for about a third of the cost.
Thanks
I was going to throw out $1M but had no clue
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
sounds good to me
Johnson could be a steal if he somehow stays healthy
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Manny and Vlad for 8M please
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
One of them could wander around first base, would be nice to have one of Manny, Vlad, DanJo on the bench for late game
matchups.
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I see an open DH spot and Anderson's spot
Manny and Branyan and call it an off-season
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I could find a lot of love in my heart for the ManYan
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like Branyan, he's actually put up almost all positive UZR at 1B in his career, but then what do you do with DanJo?
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he would look good in Uggs
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Combinations
Dan Jo is going nowhere. he is either the Part time 1st baseman or the part time DH. That levaes either getting a fulltime 1st baseman which should be Branyan and a part time RH DH(Thames or Glaus). OR A part time RH’ed first baseman to platoon with Dan Jo(either Thames or Glaus) and a full time DH(either Vald or Damon)
Dicks.
This signing sucks them. Wanted Balf back big time. :(
Yes, SRQ/FZ, Balfour leaving is “sad”.
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some links
https://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc?key=tU39X1CdyfglcUx2TQ3rWMQ&hl=en#gid=0
https://spreadsheets1.google.com/ccc?key=tewGmR-ku4tW-ehESJNqD_g&hl=en#gid=0
These are just draft picks from 1991-1998 and 1999-2006 or so separated by 5 pick increments.
Crude data but figured I’d post.
Ben Grieve 6.7 WAR
SO YOU’RE SAYING THERE’S A CHANCE WE COULD GET A STUD?
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Nice work by the way, I have mental problems
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I used to take out my aggression with drugs and alcohol, now I just DRB
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Where can we find info on the 2011 draft prospects
I keep reading it is a deep class. Has anyone posted projections or mock drafts?
Mock drafts are 100% useless at this point
Well, maybe they’re good if along with the names of prospects they give a bit of a description. But other than that, there’s not a whole lot out of coverage out. BA did a top 100 college prospects list, but that’s just names basically.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Do you recommend signing up for BA
Or any of the pay sites in particular for this kind of information?
If you have Insider
ESPN has a blog dedicated to draft coverage from Keith Law and Jason Churchill.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 14, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's encouraging you to get some under-the-bra action
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
On just straight draft info?
BA wouldn’t be worth it until May or so when they roll out their top 200 prospects. I can’t speak as to the quality of PerfectGame.org or anything else, though.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
It's pretty good I think.
At least has scouting reports and such.
Honestly, I’d follow MLBbonusbaby and the ESPN one. At Bonus Baby you’ll get tons of links to videos and such.
I've been looking into PG and BaseballAmerica's ProspectPlus
Might pull the trigger on one of them, but we’ll see.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 14, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
PNR scouting is now "Diamondscape"
Not sure what to make of it, but here’s the link.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 14, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Rays relievers hit a HR
Benoit Tigers 3/$16..5
Soriano Yankees 3/$35
Choate Marlins 2/$2.5
Qualls Padres 1/$2
Balfour A’s 2/$8.1 w/opt at $4.5
Wheeler Red Sox 1/$3 w/opt at $3
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Good year to have the Rays pedigree attached to your name
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Good year to be a FA
I gotta think the CBA talks are part of the reason for increased spending
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jan 14, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
And well basically put together what should be a serviceable bullpen
for the price of Benoit for a year? Yes please
by BJ the Bossman on Jan 14, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
We could double as a basketball team with Rauch
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jan 14, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Please get Hendrickson as well in that case
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure they could beat the Cavs
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jan 14, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
God sees everything
love it love it love it
i hate one person more than Pap smear—his name is bin laden
by sternfan1 on Aug 12, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
by SRQman on Jan 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Karma is a ....
Jay's favorite line: "Dog, in due time"
Now he look at me, like "Damn, dog, you where I am"
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I think I died in an accident, cause this must be heaven.
No question
I was factoring one more reliever (preferably Rauch) into that assumption of money.
by BJ the Bossman on Jan 14, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Don't see McGee starting anywhere other than AA or AAA rotation till at least the ASB
McGee’s ceiling is still a left-handed josh johnson and the value if that were to be fulfilled (however unlikely) is so tremendous that it’d be a waste to put him in the pen while he’s still doing well as a starter (strong K and BB numbers last season)
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 14, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
A little OT but now that all the players have been signed
I wonder what would’ve happened if Haren was traded now rather than July lol
PIZZA?!?
$25.5m over the next 2 years, nearly 40 over the next 3
I don’t see him bringing back as much as Garza did
by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I think it would make some sense to give multi-year deals to a couple of relievers
Or promote from within. Then we don’t have to do this again next season.
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by staplemaniac on Jan 14, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
And was that a terrible contract?
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by staplemaniac on Jan 14, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
This
When looking at top players paying 4-5 Mill/win is the going rate. But avg middle relievers don’t deserve more than $1 million. Remeber his numbers looked good last year b/c of usage, not talent. ROOGYs are as easy to find as LOOGYs.
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The option years are nice.
Also, “doing this” has its benefits — a bazillion draft picks, watching other teams waste money, not wasting money, Steve Slowinski pacman images…
As soon as we trade Price, round June
Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 14, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Heyman says Rays are leading the race for Vlad
And he’s usually right when the player isn’t a Boris client.
Get him and Rauch, please.
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Vlad (or Manny), Branyan, and Rauch
That’s my remaining wishlist.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I think that everyone needs to get their priorities right.
What I want to know still is…. when are we going to re-sign Chris Richard to a minor league deal? C’mon Friedman, get it done. The best free agent is still out there.
Yeah! Rays have a ton of draft picks
Should fans be excited that Rays best major league talent has been let go for uh….. possible major league talent in four or five years? I THINK NOT. What a farce in St. Pete. Sorry DRB, I believe the dumping STINKS.
Lets keep trading for the future
And play Durham Bulls against Yankees. I bet we could get a boat load of talent for Longoria!
Don't be silly.
No team would give us what it would require to move Longoria.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 15, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I bet you were pissed when the "dumped' Kazmir's contract too.
by firemangreg on Jan 14, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
And their "best major league talent"?
Get out of here with that.
by firemangreg on Jan 14, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
No I thought that was great move.
I watched Kaz walk four straight to start a game…no way he was going to be consistent long term.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
by Doug09 on Jan 15, 2011 12:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you are clueless.
I am frustrated by the inequality MLB gives to big market teams. Benoit, Soriano, Balfour, Crawford and even Pena will be missed. How can a fan be excited by a franchise that dumps their stars? Obviously Friedman is doing a great job considering the horrendous fan support in St. Pete. I was embarrassed when I attended mid week Yankee and Sox games last year when 20k showed up for very meaningful games.
If you focus on the players
and want to feel an attachment to them, your frustration is understandable and your lack of enthusiasm makes sense.
But if your focus is the team and its ability to contend, your frustration makes no sense. As a fan, I will miss the players you mention because they helped the Rays win the division, but as a Rays fan my ultimate concern is whether they can continue to win, and I think there is ample evidence (and if you read this and other sites plenty of supporting evidence) that they should continue to be a contending team in 2011 and beyond.
And if they continue to be an exciting contender, I will develop an attachment to the players who make it so. I certainly do not want the team to hang onto Crawford at $20+ million a year, no matter how much I appreciated his time here, if it hampers their ability to compete, which I am confident it would do. Nor do I want the Rays to spend nearly $70 million this year to keep 6 relievers and 4 other players plus Navarro just because I know their names-or for that matter to commit $236+ million over the next few years. That is what those players contracts total.
Casual fans focus on the names; fans with greater insight focus on the complex strategies needed to build a contender (often by acquiring non-star players) and are excited by the possibilities they provide. Of course I am grateful for Longoria and Price, but if the time comes that the front office thinks trading them will help the Rays contend, I will gulp, try to figure out the chances they are right and then determine whether it makes sense. And if it does, I will be momentarily sad but ultimately happy.
by bobr on Jan 15, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Benoit, Balfour, Pena..
Benoit, Soriano, Balfour, Crawford and even Pena will be missed. How can a fan be excited by a franchise that dumps their stars?
Please keep in mind three of the five players you mention were hardly stars when they arrived in St. Pete and another was a product of the farm system which remains highly regarded. Think back to when Pena, Balfour and Benoit were acquired, via minor league contracts or a barely noticed trade and consider what the front office is doing now. It is no different.
Rather than focus on the loss of quality players, as a fan, I am excited by a franchise that creates stars out of draft picks and others’ spare parts and contends despite large financial disparities. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Your source for replacement level commentary
"four or five years"
One is out of options. The FO really likes the catcher, and Archer could see time in the pen. Looks like you fail.
by ballsdeep187 on Jan 16, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Such an awesome quote
by Kevin Goldstein, posted on mlbtrade rumors
Rays fans discouraged by the loss of their closer should consider this tweet from Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus. Going by last year’s slot recommendations, Tampa Bay’s 12 picks within the first 88 selections of the 2011 amateur draft will cost “around $9.12MM” to sign. Even with a bump in slot prices and yet another supplementary round pick if San Diego signs Chad Qualls, the Rays could sign all 13 draft picks for less than the $11.5MM that Soriano will earn from the Yankees next year.
So A) Wow, Soriano is getting paid too much but more importantly B) I figure it would be slightly more but if thats the number, we can definatley sign all the 1st rounders.
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