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Things I would rather see than Manny Delcarmen in a Rays uniform....



...a Pat Burrell man grooming instructional video.

 

All kidding aside... is this what we've come to? Rooting to take a flyer on the weakest part of the Red Sox bullpen from last year.  I don't care what he did in 2007/2008, the guy has the mental toughness of a slug.  There's a reason I was rooting for him to enter every contest between the Rays and the Red Sox.  

 

And spare me the low risk/high reward crap, he should be paying the Rays for a Spring Training invite.  Why should this even be a discussion when the greatest closer in the history of Raysdom is still unemployed?  Call Boras and overpay for Soriano and forget this kind of crap.


 

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Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

No, but I'm sure MFIKY

doesn’t want to play on a team that would sign that sort of turd to its bullpen… Unless, of course, he can give a good leg massage.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

RIUN'd

Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Jan 4, 2011 1:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You've either got information on Delcarmen that nobody else does -- including the Rays -- or you're just being way too arrogant about your analysis of him.

I don’t think he’ll get back to 2006-2008 levels, but I’m guessing if he does sign he’ll outperform 2009-2010. And if not, he’s not exactly a large sunk cost.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 4, 2011 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

You're right on sunk cost...

because his value should be less than zero.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I guess I don't get the premise? Why are Soriano and MDC mutually exclusive?

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I am going to deem your kids as a POS"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jan 4, 2011 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

In my mind, yes

MFIKY’s greatness and MDC’s suckiness can not exist on the same deminsional plane.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

spelling fail

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a pretty fabulous take

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently you can't be reasoned with on this.

Everything comes back to “he sucks” or “here’s why not HR trot picture.” Make a reasoned argument or leave it alone.

by firemangreg on Jan 4, 2011 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

Why are you trying to reason with me?

Don’t you have a player or 2 you’d absolutely hate to see in a Rays uniform? I’m not going to argue based on stats because his last 2 years’ body of work speaks for itself. As for redemption… this guy is no Benoit. It’s not arm problems that have caused his suckage… it’s his lack of mental toughness. And, yes, I disprespect any pitcher that gave up game winning home run to Pat Burrell in a Rays uniform. I can guarantee you that is a very small club.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank god one of us is a psychologist able to ascertain the mental toughness of someone we've never met.

PHEW!

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

And on your point of a player or two that I would hate to see in a Rays uniform; if they can help the club I’m in favor of them getting a shot, regardless of name.

by firemangreg on Jan 4, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm in for of them *being* shot...

not giving them a shot.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair...

Benoit was coming off major surgery. Delcarmen, not so much.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You just said it. "Major Surgery".

So why should the Rays have taken on a risk with a guy who had such a tough type of surgery.

by mr. maniac on Jan 4, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said...

giving up a game-winning homer to Pat Burrell in a Rays uniform speaks volumes toward his mental fortitude.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

You know what? You are very good at being sarcastic.

For a while, I actually thought that this thread was seriously critizing the FO for looking into a High reward/Low risk move. Now I see you were being sarcastic. You had me worried for a while.

by mr. maniac on Jan 4, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

How about this...

Why the Rockies hate Delcarmen <<< “Interesting experiement that didn’t work out” << What is there to suggest that he would work out for the Rays?

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

Because it costs you literally nothing to offer him an NRI or MiL deal that gets him into camp and under the thumb of Dr. Hickey

If he’s not humble or useable then you cast him off for nothing.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

And, that's not arrogant?

That sounds like the only reason he sucked is because he wasn’t on the Rays…. Rockies loved this guy and couldn’t do nothing for him.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You musta felt like the cons in Shawshank sippin that sixer

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Jewspiracy!

12-19-2010 - TAMPA, Fla.: The Detroit Lions erased some painful memories by ending the longest road losing streak in NFL history against YOUR Tampa Bay Succaneers.

Also, melanin makes people lazy.

by kericr on Jan 4, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess you aren't pleased the Rays put $1mill into DanJo

But yea theres something wrong. The Rays needed a lefty bat for DH more than another righty. Kapler would have been a waste of a roster spot.

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 4, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Kapler is a waste of oxygen

FTFY

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

When it costs you nothing why wouldn't you bring someone in, though? It has more to do with the fungibility and unpredictability of relievers more than thinking our way is better.

If I had my way we’d find a way to NRI every single person that’s ever thrown a pitch in the last 4 years that isn’t under contract. Fuck, bring Pedro in, he can probably still maul righties, gut and all.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Because that kind of approach wastes time and effort on....

something that can never be rehabilitated. Sometimes it’s better to just put the dog out of its misery instead of prolonging the agony.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Balfour, Choate, Benoit, etc... disagree

There is no guarantee that Soriano is any good next year, either and it’ll cost you 10M to find out. Care more about the name on the front than the name on the back.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

C'mon.. There are others that would *agree*

These types of projects have cared more

Plus comparing Benoit and Delcarmen is apples and oranges. Taking a flyer on a guy off arm surgery is way different than taking a guy who can’t seem to pitch any more.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

And, excuse me, I will root for the Rays any way i see fit...

even if that means questioning the front office and not defending a move that hasn’t even been made. While I like what the FO has done, they’re hardly infallable…. And they’re definitely not infallable enough to not question the signing of manny delcarmen coming off not 1 but 2 horrible years.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see why this has to come down to defending the front office or not.

When I made that “wish list” the other week, I almost included Declarman, but figured he was a back-up plan and wasn’t worth mentioning. Nobody is asking for him to come in and be given a guaranteed high-leverage role….what we’re looking at is a player that might be worth a flyer. He’s probably broke and busted, but he’s only two years removed from being pretty darn good.

For a minor-league deal or something pretty small, I really don’t see what the big deal is. If he sucks, you cut him….it’s a pure upside move.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 4, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve... I know you didn't just say...

Delcarmen was on your “wish list” He should be on nobody’s wish list. I’m not in the business of trying to figure out a way to save payroll bucks. This team is already below Stu’s number for payroll projections. Because of that, I don’t see it necessary to waste any time on a guy like Delcarmen who is most likely broke & busted and destined to stay that way.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Manny and a Delcarmen-type than just Soriano

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That's your choice...

Since I root for the name on the back of the jersey, I’d prefer the best closer in the history of Raysdom return next year. The Manny & Manny show can go somewhere else.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope he signs for 3/30, gets us a 1st and a supp and never throws another pitch in a game

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

He's way down on the bottom, but there's nothing wrong with him as a back-up, give-it-a-shot plan.

If the Rays didn’t take the time to try out re-treads every now and then, they’d never have gotten to where they are now. Carlos Pena, anyone? I wish we’d never taken the time to mess with that guy.

I’m not saying the Rays shouldn’t be willing to spend a bit more on the remaining pieces, considering like you said, they’re below projections. They could sign some pricier players, like Balfour and Manny/Thome, and still have room to take a flyer on Declarman.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that you’re over-reacting like woh. If the Rays signing a one meh relief pitcher to a minor league deal is the sign that the front office is crap, that’s some weird logic.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 4, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't have to like the move, but at the same time it doesn't warrant this kind of reaction.

Royals fans would be laughing in our faces right now.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 4, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

...Anyone?

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 4, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said my piece

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I know.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 4, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it doesn't...

but, the beauty of being a fan is having an emotional reaction of choices your team’s make. I, for one, hate the idea of signing Manny Delcarmen. Maybe I can’t make an argument that satisifies anyone here, but I’m okay with that.

I would also like to add that the Rays model is still only 3 years old. It’s still pretty early to talk absolutes.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fine...if you don't like it, you don't like it. He's definitely not an exciting target.

But just watch the hyperbole. It’s one thing to not like the signing; it’s another to be criticizing the Rays’ FO as a result of it.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 4, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What's wrong with criticizing the front office?

 or a little bit of hyperbole….

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

For this sort of move? Because it's unwarranted.

Declarman would only see innings in the majors if he’s turned to form and is good. If not, he’s cut. What’s to criticize? To a minor league deal, they’re barely wasting any money even.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 4, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Because I don't want a guy of his caliber..

polluting the Rays uniform. My choice. And if the FO signs him, then I have the right to criticize them for it. Just because something’s inexpensive, doesn’t mean you have to buy it.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

What exactly are you criticizing then?

That the Rays run their team poorly? Or just that they signed a player you wish they hadn’t?

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 4, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Number 2

and when I say number 2, I mean number 2. I would never equate signing Manny Delcarmen to the Rays being a poorly run team. I would however question their judgement.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

But yeah, some players evoke visceral reactions in people.

It happens to us all. This deal is probably unlikely to even happen, so no worries.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 4, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And honestly...

if criticizing the FO is the worst thing I do, then you better check on the guy down the thread a bit who felt it necessary to insult my mother. Not very classy.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

And I really don't give a

… what Royals fans think. I’m not here to impress them or anyone else for that matter. I just wanted to make it clear that I’m not interested in seeing this guy on the Rays roster.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

And Red Sox & Yankees fans are laughing...

at the fact that I’m being flamed for arguing against signing Manny Delcarmen.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That wasn't exactly the point of mentioning Royals fans.

Mostly highlighting that if this is the worst of the deals our FO does, then we have things pretty darn good.

As for the Red Sox and Yankee fans, well…it’s not exactly like the Sox and Yanks are in the same league (payroll wise) as the Rays. Their FO is playing an entirely different game than the Rays.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 4, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Check your source on that, I don't have much time for propagandists

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

What is this the 1940's?

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Again. Benoit's arm problems are way different than

the plain suckage that Delcarmen brings…

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

In 2008, the last year he pitched before the injury, Benoit had a 5.00 ERA.

So yeah, he sucked. I am sure glad the Rays did not make that move.

Look at all the horrible years Choate had.

by mr. maniac on Jan 4, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW, Pedro has more gumption in his pinky finger...

than MDC has in his entire body.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

I'm done until you bring a real argument

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

What's real about your argument?

Let’s take a chance because he’s cheap? How am I supposed to counter that? Like I said, i can post 2009/2010 MCD stats all day. I’ve also pointed to quotes from the Rockies management and I’ve posted a picture of Pat the Bat rounding the bases after hitting a homer.

What do you want me to day? Okay. For the good of the Rays let’s bring in this guy who’s really not that good in case he can be rehabbed by our awesome pitching coach?

Let me ask you this, if Angels cut Kazmir… should Rays sign him?

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If they're paying the bill then absolutely, 400K LOOGY is better than 10M LOOGY

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Back to MDC, he has a problem with walks, much like Benoit, Balfour, McGee and others

If he’s the new Cormier (able to get lefties) and it costs us a minor league contract, then great. I’m all for as many options as possible, we have a bunch of unknowns, a couple of retreads would add some nice balance to the mix.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

In fact, if we're looking for a guy that can get lefties, I'd rather give him 500K to get them than give Fuentes 6M

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He gives up a lot of homers, as well...

To quote Red Sox fan, “Sign him if you like 4 pitch walks and 0-2 pitches right down the middle”

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you're just being dishonest, in his career he's given up .74 HR/9 with rates over the last 3 years of

.61, .75, 1.38

In his career he has given up homers to lefties at a rate of .33/9 innings. Even last year he had a 3.67 FIP against lefties. This goes beyond this individual player. I only argue so much, because it speaks directly to the philosophy of this team. These are the guys we get. Soriano was a luxury as a final piece and will come around once every few years. Our place on the win curve dictates that we spend nothing to maybe get something. If you don’t like that go follow a big pocket team.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I would never take the word of a Red Sox fan, they're delusional and stupid

They’ve booed Manny, Pedro, Clemens, Papi, and every other player that had a bad stretch.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

This, we can agree on.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no precendent for what the Rays curve is...

last I checked, they’ve only had winning records the last 3 years… 2 of which they signed Free Agent closers to sizable contracts. Correct?

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That's an extremely narrow view, but whatever helps your argument and ignores reality.

I could counter by saying that we’ve won our division 2 of the last 3 years with Dioner on are roster and since he isn’t next year we’re doomed, but I won’t.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

How is that ignoring reality?

Am I lying? You’re the one creating a false absolute:

“Our place on the win curve dictates that we spend nothing to maybe get something. If you don’t like that go follow a big pocket team.”

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, we're on the bubble of being a 90 win team in a division where you need 95, adding Soriano or Cy Young doesn't get us any closer to the playoffs

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

In all fairness, Cy Young wouldn't be Doug Waechter if he had to pitch in today's game.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you know what he's talking about?

Clearly you don’t know what YOU’RE talking about. Bringing him in as a NRI or on a minor league deal has literally no downside. None. And then maybe he returns to form.

He won’t, you say. For sure, you say.

Then he gets cut and WE STILL LOSE NOTHING.

What’s real about your argument?
Let’s take a chance because he’s cheap? How am I supposed to counter that?

You don’t, because that’s exactly what the Rays have to do.

What do you want me to (s)ay? Okay. For the good of the Rays let’s bring in this guy who’s really not that good in case he can be rehabbed by our awesome pitching coach?

Absolutely that’s what we want you to say. That’s what we’re saying. No downside.

Let me ask you this, if Angels cut Kazmir… should Rays sign him?

If we’re talking about signing him to a deal with no downside and high potential upside (minor league deal/NRI) Then hell yes.

Did this guy bang your mom or something? Geez.

Founding member of the Leslie Anderson fan club. This support has little merit, but if he's ever any good then I called it.

by staplemaniac on Jan 4, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You do realize that you're arguring *for* signing...

Manny Delcarmen. The fact that he can’t pitch is enough of a downside for me. You or I are not privy to the numbers or the contract.

And, no, he did not “bang my mom”… but he did give up a game winning home run to Pat Burrell while Pat Burrell was wearing a Rays uniform. That is close enough in my book.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

And what the hell?

I make a contrarian argument around here and I’m asked if someone “banged my mom”… pretty classy.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

What argument?

All you’ve said is the guy sucks and then posting picture of HR trots. If you actually construct an argument, you won’t be criticized.

by firemangreg on Jan 4, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

And there's a big difference between criticizing...

and insulting someone’s mother.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude it's the internet, get over it.

Founding member of the Leslie Anderson fan club. This support has little merit, but if he's ever any good then I called it.

by staplemaniac on Jan 4, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

And I get accused of not giving reasonable...

explanations and you resort to mom jokes. Stay classy.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No, are you DRays Bay clone...

because you’re sure taking up the mantle for a player who shouldn’t be worth your time or my time.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And you want 20% of our payroll to be locked up in our closer.

Founding member of the Leslie Anderson fan club. This support has little merit, but if he's ever any good then I called it.

by staplemaniac on Jan 5, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

I am pretty new here. I used to post at the RR, but then came over here after I realized everyone supports their opinion with nothing.

by mr. maniac on Jan 5, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, that is a problem over there that has been difficult to try and fix.

Reasoned opinions are more than welcome there. there are only a few of us left who actually try and use stats.

If I am commenting you need to hear it. Not really.

by DeadeyeRR on Jan 5, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I was told advanced stats suck.

Rhino was the main source of my leave. He tried arguing that Ruggianno is a much better player than Jennings. I said he could be over the long term, but the experts preferred Jennings. Then he went on and on and on.

by mr. maniac on Jan 5, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Problem there is the mods needs to be on more.

I am one and just can’t be on more than I am. I got seriously flamed over the Crawford signing hysteria. It is slowly becoming MLB board jr. Not quite that bad, but it is slipping.

If I am commenting you need to hear it. Not really.

by DeadeyeRR on Jan 5, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

The problem is that you can’t prevent it. You can’t say that just because your opinions suck, you have to leave.

That is what is good about draysbay. If a troll with stupid ideas comes here,, he will be beaten down with the opinions of others (not taking about Rays_Rev).

by mr. maniac on Jan 5, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't exactly insulting your mother.

He didn’t say “your mother is a whore” or “your mother can’t raise a rational child, so is therefore a stupid bitch”.

That would be insulting your mother.

by blackraven on Jan 4, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Dobberwow

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 4, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry. Why don't you go ask someone

if their mother and see what kind of reaction you get.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The issue with relief pitchers is that they are unpredictable.

Ordinarily that means teams should be leery of handing out large contracts or long term deals to them, and is one reason that, regardless of how good Benoit and Soriano were last year, it is unwise to sign either to expensive long term contracts.

But the opposite is also true. Just as often, apparent failures do well. In every case, if they have been in the majors, and especially if they have experienced some success, they have the capacity to surprise and excel. Delcarmen is no exception. If the Rays sign him to a minor league deal, there is no harm done and possible rewards, and it is likely they have checked to be sure he has no physical problems.

Here is a discussion from the Process Report that considers a number of factors:

http://theprocessreport.com/2011/01/02/should-the-rays-sign-manny-delcarmen/#comments

And here are his major and minor league stats from the Cube:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/Manny-Delcarmen.shtml

I see a pitcher who has some obvious pluses, and I also think the discussion at the Process Report of his potential usefulness is reasoned and moderate rather than overheated. I can understand being cautious, even pessimistic, about expecting much, but it makes no sense to be hostile, and no amount of “well, that’s how I feel” can make it sensible or worthy of respect.

by bobr on Jan 4, 2011 6:24 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

wow, just wow

some people should just stop being headaches to society and do us all a favor and shoot themselves.

by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 4, 2011 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

this might need some explaining

step 1: buy bullet
step 2: buy gun
step 3: point at yourself
step 4: pull trigger

by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 4, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

A Dream of a Ridiculous Man

If followed, half the story would be lost.

by cmshannon on Jan 4, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, those assholes.

I don’t think they understand that Rays Rev just really hates delcarmen. I mean the mother fucker gave up a HR to Pat Burrell! What a piece of shit! If the rays sign him, I’m never watching them play again!

No player deserves a minor league deal to prove themselves. Fuck that, this is America where you can only fail once before you’re forever out of chances.

by blackraven on Jan 4, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

1) Birds dying all over the country

2) Fish dying all over the country
3) RIUN turning on other RIUN

I’ll be in my bunker.

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 4, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Reread everything again and realized he was backing his fellow RIUN.

Close call, nothing to see here.

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 4, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm so sick of this RIUN shit.

I’ve been posting on here for three fucking years. Enough already.

by RaysTheRoof on Jan 4, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry bud. It's silly, but the username doesn't give you the benefit of the doubt.

It’s easy enough to change that if you’d like. Just use the Contact Us form on the bottom of the page, and SBN can take care of it.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 5, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

you forgot bats, it's a serious problem

Wack emcees make me laugh like my ticklish spot.

by pudieron89 on Jan 5, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Rays Rev just writing an emotional post because MDC sucks.

and then he gets attacked by the trolls under the DraysBay bridge. Hilarious.

If I am commenting you need to hear it. Not really.

by DeadeyeRR on Jan 4, 2011 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

Let me guess.

You don’t post here because you don’t like supporting arguements, right?

Here at draysbay, we don’t care if you have a mental issue with the Rays signing a player. But when you make a post of it and use ridiculous arguements, then it kind of ticks us off. Even sternfan1 has done a better job of supporting his statements than Rays_Rev.

by mr. maniac on Jan 4, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still baffled at why I'm accused of not supporting my position...

MDC’s stats from 2009/2010 speak volumes. The Rockies (who wanted him) told him to f*** off at the end of the season because he couldn’t get anyone out.

Yet, here in the arrogance of Mr Maniac and other trolls around here… I’m accused of not supporting my argument because 2009/2010 stats aren’t good enough. Instead, I’m supposed to blindly follow the rest of the lemmings because he “doesn’t cost anything.”

The only argument i’ve read for signing this assclown is that he was good a couple of years ago and he’s cheap. Is that right? Well, I’m sorry…. I’ve got no use for a guy who can’t pitch on my team.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Rays_Rev, get a hold of yourself.

You continuously state that you have made an arguement. He sucks is not an arguement. Guys have up and down years. Look at Benoit. Look at Balfour. Look at Pena. Look at Choate.

Let me explain the reason why we are not against this signing.
1. MDC was a very good pitcher. He showed he has the capability of being very good.
2. Teams messed with him when they tried to teach him control. We hope the Rays staff can help him out and return him to form.
3. He is cheap.
4. There is no risk, yet there is a high reward.
5. There is no guarantee he makes the team. The FO will see him in the minors and make the decision of whether or not he has returned to form.
You might not like these arguements. However, saying he sucks isn’t doing you anything good either.
We understand that you just don’t like the guy. However, you do not need to get this biased over it.
Finally, we are giving no guarantee that MDC performs at all. In fact, I beleive he will stink. However, there is little risk and if he does perform, we have a very good pitcher.

by mr. maniac on Jan 4, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

As an addendum:

What you need to do to make an arguement is respond to the points of OTHERS with, like, reasons. Okay, so tell me why it would be a mistake to put him in the Durham bullpen to see what he can do.

Founding member of the Leslie Anderson fan club. This support has little merit, but if he's ever any good then I called it.

by staplemaniac on Jan 4, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

Teams messed with him when they tried to teach him control?!? Isn’t that pretty important?

Also if it was such a no-brainer, it would’ve happened already. The only reason he’s even being talked about was because his agent wanted to drum up some interest. It’s obvious the best way to get your unemployed client a job is to say the “rays have interest.” I sincerely doubt the Rays are truly interested him and doubt even more that the Rays get him in a minor league deal.

The fact is… the Rays can’t sign every stray cat that comes along and hope to turn him around. You guys keep talking about low risk… but every player that is brought in the organization requires manpower whether it be coaching, training, or even conditioning. A Delcarmen reclamation project could easily take time away from developing talent already in the system.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Here at DraysBay, I don't post much because I work during the day.

Too busy/too lazy to spend my time making rational arguments on the World Wide Web when I need to be doing work. Instead I lurk, comment occasionally, and get amused by much of the goings on here.

I can’t completely support Rays_Rev’s position, but just because a guy has an emotional dislike for a player doesn’t mean he should be flamed for it. Just read it and move on IMO. Save it for the OTTOTD. I am pretty sure all of us fans have some of those players that disgust us just like he does. If you are not a “regular” poster here the hypocrisy really comes out in some “regulars”.

If I am commenting you need to hear it. Not really.

by DeadeyeRR on Jan 5, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

My only complaint is that he made a fanpost on it. Look at the other fanpost. These things get lots of attention, and he made some pretty stupid comments.

by mr. maniac on Jan 5, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I am absolutely baffled by this.

I’ve read the entire thread a couple times and can find no supporting argument for not signing MDC other than "he sucks’, ‘i don’t like him’, and ‘we will be made fun of by Sox and Yankees fans (ghasp!)’.

That just seems silly. It is similar to someone popping into a GDT and saying ‘he sucks’ and bringing absolutely nothing to the table to support that ‘argument’ other than ‘well he just struck out with men on!’

I’m guessing its a ploy to draw DRB lurkers to RaysRev. Nothing inherently wrong with that… it’s just the only thing that seems to make sense here.

@RealNolenBailey

by Hatfield on Jan 4, 2011 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry. There's no ploy...

I just really wanted to create a thread on DRays bay where people actually defended Manny Delcarmen.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

If by defend, you mean allowing him the chance to prove he's not awful on a minor league deal...

It’s ok to hate a player. But jesus christ be a little reasonable.

Would you hate him if he did join the team on a shitty deal, proved himself, and then had a successful year?

by blackraven on Jan 5, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

For those of you complaining I don't bring anything to the table....

Manny being Manny << This is called a baseball game. You watch it. You see suckage.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

I'll play

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8608387

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 4, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Mr. Weber, you really need to stop.

This is not a personal attack at all, but helpful advice. I know you own a blog. By writing a comment like that, you probably lost some views to your sight. If this is all the arguement you can bring, then don’t bring it again. Showing a guy give up some runs doesn’t win this arguement. Do you want me to show you Benoit giving up some runs in 2008?

For your sake, this really needs to end. There is no way of saying it nicely, but you are making are almost making a fool of yourself. No, you are not a fool. But what you are doing right now can make people think so.

by mr. maniac on Jan 4, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's clear up a few things here, Mr. Maniac

1. This isn’t about my blog.

2. There is nothing wrong with saying I don’t want to see a player on my team because I believe believe he sucks. The numbers from 2009/2010 support my argument. The Colorado Rockies really wanted this guy, got him, and then realized they didn’t get what they bargained for. Yet, in some people’s arrogance, they believe that every POS pitcher can be turned around by this organization. Yes, the Rays have had success… but, that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen every time.

3. I didn’t resort to personal insults in this thread. So, while I’m being accused of “making a fool of myself” for not bringing arguments… there are people who choose to just throw insults instead of bringing facts, yet I don’t see you calling them out.

4. Manny Delcarmen sucks. There’s no other way to spin it. He leaves balls up in the zone that gets crushed a mile. I don’t believe there’’s a pitching guru in America that can fix it, so I would prefer the Rays not even bother.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 4, 2011 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

Yes it is. When he has had prior success

Arguing against a guy who is an incredibly low risk/cost and potential high reward seems silly.

@RealNolenBailey

by Hatfield on Jan 5, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Just to make sure we're completely clear here...

It’s a small sample size because he was once good, then sucked, and doesn’t cost nothing to sign.. If he just sucked for 2 years, that’s not a small sample size?

And I would add, that since he hasn’t signed anywhere, you or I have no idea what low risk equals.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 5, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Career HR/FB of 7.8%

2010: 13.1%

Was particularly good in 2010: no. He walked WAY too many, but as recently as 2009 he had a positive WAR. Those pitchers have value. And the ones who are perceived as not being worth it are usually the ones the Rays are likely to take a flier on because they will be cheaper.

Founding member of the Leslie Anderson fan club. This support has little merit, but if he's ever any good then I called it.

by staplemaniac on Jan 5, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

It depends on who's percept ion you're talking about...

My perception is that the guy’s cheaper because nobody else in the rest of the league is interested in “his body of work.” Yet, in some people’s arrogance, the Rays can magically transform a guy suffering all kinds of issue into the next great relief pitcher…. all in the name of “it’s no risk”

Yet, if it was that easy, other teams would be lining up to get this guys (See Detroit and Benoit). There’s always risk. Cheap Delcarmen could have a great April and we could all be patting ourselves on the back… then, you could fall apart during a critical inning versus the Red ox.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 5, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

That damn red ox and his critical innings

I have no desire to argue with you. I just think Benoit, since you brought him up, is a perfect example of why it is worth it take a flier on a guy who others weren’t willing to do the same on.

Maybe he sucks to high heaven. Maybe he doesn’t. But, like was stated above, if the former happens it is a sunk cost… and potentially a small one at that.

@RealNolenBailey

by Hatfield on Jan 5, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude it's not magic, pitchers have bad seasons.

Sometimes they come back, sometimes they don’t. You say there’s always risk. What is the risk? He sucks? Then he gets cut. There’s also chance he returns to pre-2010 form and does well. Worth league minimum on a one year deal? Yes.

Tell me how taking a risk on him would hurt the Rays

Founding member of the Leslie Anderson fan club. This support has little merit, but if he's ever any good then I called it.

by staplemaniac on Jan 5, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm really rolling on the floor laughing at that one...

Let me make sure I have this clear: 2 years is too small of a sample size?!? And then you have the nerve to call me champ like you got one over on me… ROFL

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 5, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

He faced 512 batters over two years, James Shields saw 899 by himself last year. It's a small sample.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 5, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Nobody expects it to happen anytime

He’s an attractive risk/reward piece that will easily be forgotten if he fails, of which maybe there is a high likelihood. Its more about the process than the player.

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 5, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay here we go.

1. I know this isn’t your blog. You do have one though,
2. It is fair to say he was bad in 2009/2010. However he has had previous sucess. Also, we are not putting millions of dollars into this guy and hoping we can fix him. It is just a small minor league deal. Why shouldn’t the Rays give it a shot?
3. I don’t call those people out because the thread was not made by them. I came to this thread to debate with the person who made, not some people talking about your mother.
4. This is your own opinion. He did suck in 2009/2010. However, if the Rays beleive they can put him on the right track, then I am all for it. This is a guy who had a right track. He didn’t suck all his life. If you don’t beleive it, then fine. I have no problem with that. Others here though will continue to hold to our beleifs though.

by mr. maniac on Jan 5, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't argue emotions

God help him, the dude has an unhealthy obsession with MFIKY and I’m never going to say someone’s emotions are wrong. However, the correlation that somehow considering MDC has anything to do with Soriano is just baseless.

by Jason Collette on Jan 5, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Just to clarify, Jason...

1. I do have an uhealthy obsession with MFIKY (The same obsession I have w/ the Rays)

2. I never claimed MDC had anything to do with Soriano. I just said the FO should not waste the energy on a “reclaimation” project when MFIKY is still available and the Rays payroll is still far below the alleged cap Stu set last year.

3. If Rays trade Garza, that should free even more money to lock up a closer.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 5, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

The only reasonable argument against your last line is that he sucks, face it, you blew it, Bob.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 5, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Founding member of the Leslie Anderson fan club. This support has little merit, but if he's ever any good then I called it.

by staplemaniac on Jan 5, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You would

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 5, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is this a recommended fan post.

This doesn’t hold a candle to The Sports Chief.

by Suttree on Jan 5, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

It’s just attention whoring. I didn’t know we ironirec’d that. Doesn’t this guy have a blog of his own to post his inane drivel?

by rglass44 on Jan 5, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The voice of reason says:

“For the last two seasons Manny Delcarmen was the reliever that you loved to see come in. If he becomes a Ray he’ll be the reliever that you hate to see come in. In Red Sox/Rays history he is like Alan Embry (Mr. Match meet Mr. Gas Can). BTW, glad to see Beltre leave the A.L. East.”

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 5, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I do.

But this is much more enjoyable than any writing contest..

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 5, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said, Matt. I would encourage everyone to contribute once they feel they've "boned up" on what flies around here.

Have a strong take and back it up and don’t act like a wounded animal backed up in a corner if everyone doesn’t agree with you. Don’t get me wrong, RaysRev had spend the entire night before trashing this idea on Twitter before even creating this catastraphuck. If someone feels strongly about something, speak up, just make sure that you provide evidence for claims that you make.

Hell yeah it is.
Any amount of points can be scored week to week. well, besides 1 point. Any number is as likely to be reached as another, since there’s only one of each number, each has the same chance to be hit. IT’s how the syetemof averages works.
by waltermercier on Sep 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

by Andy Hellicksonstine on Jan 6, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

this
I also chuckle at how many times people trash the community because "new users always get flamed". New users just don’t read enough before commenting/posting

Founding member of the Leslie Anderson fan club. This support has little merit, but if he's ever any good then I called it.

by staplemaniac on Jan 6, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The reason you never saw a "Things I would rather see than Joaquin Benoit in a Rays uniform" thread....

is because Pat Burell never made Benoit his bitch. There’s your answer.

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by Rays_Rev on Jan 7, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

But he made Delcarmen his bitch by going 2-2 career against him?

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7506463

As you can clearly see, the ball really just dies in mid air and just barely lands in the front row of the green monster. In almost any other stadium in baseball, that likely would not have been a home run, and even more likely an out.

Like most of you I assume, I was watching that game and I was thankful that it went out. If it weren’t for Statts calling it as if it was crushed and leaving the ball park, I wouldn’t have even thought of it being a home run.

by Matt0611 on Jan 8, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Facepalm

You guys make it seem like every sucky pitcher out there will be as dominant as Benoit once they join the Rays.

by KRoMaTiKK on Jan 6, 2011 2:49 AM EST reply actions  

No.

I do not read anyone saying that or anything close to it. People are merely saying that accumulating lots of live arms from which to cull the talent to build a bullpen is a good idea and that sometimes, rarely it is true, a gem emerges. At the least, it provides the Rays an opportunity to uncover a useful pitcher for the last slots.

by bobr on Jan 6, 2011 7:04 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Sori has nothing to do with MDC

In fact Sori is highly overrated (but still good), and MDC does in fact suck tremendously.

And I “hate” all former RS or Yanks until something dramatically shifts. So I feel you there.

However, the Rays need to throw whatever shit they can find at a wall and see what sticks. The only issue is whether the shit is so shitty that all it is doing is taking valuable coaching time away from others.

While this shit would stink to high heaven, it doesn’t stink bad enough to reach that point.

Go Gators!!

by matthan on Jan 16, 2011 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

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