This should have been the 2nd out of that disastrous fourth inning.

This should have been the 2nd out of that disastrous fourth inning.

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Would have been the 2nd out, I believe.

by CBJones on Oct 1, 2011 11:32 PM EDT reply actions

aw crap...you're right

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by Jason Collette on Oct 1, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions

i wonder if he made up that excuse on the fly...

seems like he just screwed up and called it foul and then made up a reason why

by plastic on Oct 1, 2011 11:34 PM EDT reply actions

In Umpiring 101, one of the major topics is to don’t call a foul on a ball around the plate until you actually see it. You can always reverse to foul, but once you call “foul ball,” you’ve stopped the play. I think Danley made a mistake the average high school ump knows not to do, and weasled his way out of it.

by cocanat on Oct 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions

It's funny too because when the umpiring crew was announced, everyone mentioned Kerwin Danley as being awful.

Rightfully so.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Oct 1, 2011 11:37 PM EDT reply actions

So, the epic fail is me not being able to count outs....oh well

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by Jason Collette on Oct 1, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions

Still, it was a bad call

If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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by doubleteapot on Oct 1, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Danley has and always will be awful. Don't know how he made it to a playoff crew.

by kapaafire on Oct 1, 2011 11:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

Lemme fix dat 4u:

Danley has and always will be awful. Don’t know how he made it ~~to a playoff crew~~ in life.

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by BWoodrum on Oct 1, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

12 umps out of 28 AL umps I think...

not far-fetched to think that there are 16 worse than him.

by tampa_edski on Oct 2, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions

no such thing as AL & NL umps any longer

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by Jason Collette on Oct 2, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions

they mix crews in the LDS and LCS?

either way, figuring 15 games a night, you’re talking about 60 (or so) full time umps in MLB, and 24 of them working the LDS’…

So they must feel that Danly is in the upper 40% of them (I sure hope it’s just barely…)

And considering what we’ve seen from umps the last few years, I really can’t argue.

by tampa_edski on Oct 2, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions

They mix crews all season

They dumped the league-specific umps a few seasons ago. These guys will often to the games in Miami and then come up to St. Pete to work a series here.

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by Jason Collette on Oct 2, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions

I remember Joe West and Angel Hernandez working together a lot? Do you think they ever took any camping/fishing trips to get away

from the monogtony of marriage?

and there goes our season

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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 3, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions

I thought they didn't use a merit-based system, that it was a simple rotation so each guy can get playoff experience

Or has that changed?

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by nomoredevil on Oct 2, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Combination. Merit based to get in and be assigned DS and CS series

But they rotate within those, and try to get guys experience.

by Whelk on Oct 2, 2011 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Narrative fail:

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by BWoodrum on Oct 1, 2011 11:44 PM EDT reply actions

This is actually a positive sign

If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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by doubleteapot on Oct 1, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions

missed opportunities

by DavidW. on Oct 1, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions

first time in 31 games the team put up 5+ runs and lost

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by Jason Collette on Oct 1, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Freaking shields

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by SRQman on Oct 2, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions

it's called a small sample size

by brighten the corners on Oct 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

So

Will it still be Shields in game 5?

by Ben Tumbling on Oct 2, 2011 12:01 AM EDT reply actions

More likely Shields on a short leash

by DavidW. on Oct 2, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions

First read that as Moore in game 5

by DavidW. on Oct 2, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions

I was under he impression that Joe already slotted Shields for game 5

The off days would allow him to get the 4 days rest.

by Ben Tumbling on Oct 2, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions

On a better note...

www.YouTube.com/watch?v=joTeCc7A3pw

by LukeBaileysaStud on Oct 2, 2011 12:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

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by Steve B on Oct 2, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions

Way to troll

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by 4QB on Oct 2, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions

Pretty weak troll

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by SRQman on Oct 2, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah...

If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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by doubleteapot on Oct 2, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions

Not trolling

But good game non the less!

by Steve B on Oct 2, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions

Not a fight you want to pick, buddy.

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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a goddamned criminal investigation.
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by internet commenter on Oct 2, 2011 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions

I.E.

Check the sig.

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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a goddamned criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Oct 2, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions

I mean Shields still sucked

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by SRQman on Oct 2, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions

2 things that I can't understand Mlb continuing

1— Bats that are dangerous projectiles
2— Having an umpiring system that does not use modern technology to assist in making the game fair and increasing the possibility that the best team wins the game.

James may have been fantastic if allowed to throw low strikes. I don’t care about the umpires strike zone. The rule book has the strike zone not some jackwad umpire.

by Landlord on Oct 2, 2011 7:43 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs

This.

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by BWoodrum on Oct 2, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions

as hard as it is to fathom

and I have no idea how old you are LL, it seems that the calling of balls and strikes is a little better than even 15-20 years ago. At least the high strike gets called once in a while now. When I was a kid, anything above the belt was a ball.

But I agree 100% that it’s time for the robots to call balls/strikes. I can accept umps calling fair/foul, outs, balks, etc. And expand replay a bit more – a challenge system (1 or 2 challenges a game byt eh managers) doesn’t seem like it would slow the game up much.

by tampa_edski on Oct 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions

As I thought while watching it looks like Holland caught more bad calls than Shields

and there goes our season

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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 2, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions

btw, Mike Fast says the normalized zone isn't worth the paper it's printed on

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by Jason Collette on Oct 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions

I love Mike's work, but nothing is worth the paper it's printed on compared to what he does

Between him and Wyers we might have to actually watch a game or two instead of relying on these convenient tools that allow easy write-ups despite watching half the game.

and there goes our season

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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 3, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Completely agree.

You could do this without eliminating umpire jobs, too (which are really hard to get and require great training). There would still be a homeplate ump for calls at the plate.

If the union objects (which they probably should), why not go to a five man crew for regular season games? That should make them happy, and I will never believe that MLB can’t afford it.

My only concern is the minors, though. Anyone know what it costs to install pitch tracking systems?

by Whelk on Oct 2, 2011 10:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

MR. Edski

When I was a kid the umps had different chest protecters for each league and different strike zones for each league. Homefield advantage in the world series was well advantaged. I learned early the disadvantage of having a fair game called by humans.

by Landlord on Oct 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions

reminding myself of the futility of blaming umpires, however....

1. The strike-called ball to Young that would have made the count 0-2
2. The strike-called-ball on Napoli that would have resulted in a strikeout on the next pitch (I’m talking about strikes when the ball is not even touching one of the corners).
3. The mysterious double-hit on Murphy, you know, the one where Danley was the only man on the face of the earth who thought they saw that). The two wild pitches don’t happen if he doesn’t botch that one.

In all probability, if the average high school umpire had been working the plate that inning, the game probably goes into the 5th inning at 3-0.

I don’t know how many on this bbs will get this one, but when I made a similar post to my fellow Rangerfans, one response was…….“That the way baseball go.”

by cocanat on Oct 2, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions

no

by brighten the corners on Oct 2, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Was there, and that was a very confusing moment

I was across from 1b 3 row from the top of the stadium, and I saw that play pretty clearly. It looked like exactly what it was. A tapped ball that was fair. When the players were called back, I figured it was a foul ball somehow, like it had hit Murphy or something off the bat. Absolutely ridiculous.

ROBOT.

by SandalsNoPants on Oct 2, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions