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The Process: Gomes Vs Moreland

It didn't end up affecting the outcome of the game. However, at the time we didn't know that. Evan Longoria had cut the Rays' deficit to one with a three run homer an inning earlier. Brandon Gomes had worked a perfect seventh and came back out to pitch the eighth. He got right handed pinch hitter Craig Gentry to ground out on a bunt attempt. One away. Mitch Moreland stepped into the box.

Each of the four batters Gomes had faced up to this point were right handed. We're not privy to his minor league splits, but it's been said that he doesn't fare very well against left handed hitters and his limited sample against them in the Majors would agree. He threw 13.2 innings against lefties during the regular season and gave up two home runs and seven walks to go along with a 4.71 FIP. Against right handers the FIP drops to 3.15 in 23.1 innings. The only pitch Gomes threw near the plate to Moreland was crushed, taking away the ability for the Rays to tie the game with one swing in the ninth.

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Joe Maddon called upon Joel Peralta to relieve Gomes and he retired the next two batters to end the inning. My question is, if you're going to use Peralta why not bring him in to face Moreland? In 33.2 innings against left handed batters this season Peralta has a K/BB of 5.67 and a FIP of 1.93. He's been a reverse splits pitcher for the last two seasons, which means he might as well have been pitching left handed to Moreland, he of the .267 career wOBA against southpaws.

It was a rare misstep in bullpen management from Joe Maddon. The process and result were equally as disappointing.

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I would assume Maddon was hoping to use Gomes for the whole inning

And not use Peralta at all, but changed his mind after the HR. Although, with a day off coming, asking Peralta to work 2/3 of an inning is probably the better call in the first place, as you point out.

by ChiBurbRaysFan on Oct 2, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

The further the game goes the worse his game management becomes.

I think we all know why.

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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT

I want a goddamned criminal investigation.
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by Ben Buchanan on Sep 28, 2011 7:48 PM PDT

by internet commenter on Oct 2, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree with your disagreement

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by Imperialism32 on Oct 2, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

typically I think he gets too cute sometimes

but in this case he should have taken Gomes out, had he not pitched the night before maybe leave him in there. Which brings up why bring in Gomes into a 9-0 game the night before.

by Dbullsfan on Oct 2, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Maddon sees Gomes as a lower lev arm this year.

That’s why he was in there during the 9-0 game 1 and when we were down 4 in game 2. The issue is, why leave him in there once we made it a 1 run game. With the off day, there was no reason to worry about saving Peralta and if we did tie it up and you were worried about extras, why not let Peralta pitch 2 innings. He was rested with an upcoming off day.

by ReyL on Oct 2, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please don't post things like this unless you are willing to provide reasoned discussion to back up your position.

Because otherwise, this makes for a dumb shit post.

I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.

by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions

by pudieron89 on Oct 3, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll answer here because this is the most foolish of all the responses.

Don’t be silly. Anyone is allowed to disagree (and do so politely) without stating their reasons.

Moreover, I only had time to write “Disagree.” because my wife was ready to watch Doctor Who, and only an idiot impedes that desire.

REASON I DISAGREE: The whole “Process” series started on TPR to closely examine Maddon’s managerial decision-making. I followed the series closely, and more times than not, Maddon made excellent decisions — whether it was bullpen management or pinch hitting — more often than not.

I suspect the recent JP Howell tragedies have tainted people’s memories, but if Howell locates a few pitches differently, then who knows what the popular perception becomes?

Here’s my issue with the Gomes-Moreland AB: Gomes threw Moreland two sliders in that AB — an unusual execution for a righty-lefty matchup — but it actually makes sense against Moreland, a .327 wOBA first baseman, because against groundball pitchers, Moreland hits a putrid .227/.314/.364, and lefties trying to hit Gomes’s slider have hit groundballs 50% of the time this year.

In other words, Moreland is one of the easiest outs and weakest hitters in the Rangers lineup, moreover, he — in theory — struggles against a pitch Gomes can throw (not all the time, but in some cases) to both hands.

Could Maddon have brought in Peralta? Certainly. The Rangers can also bring in Neftali Feliz every time Casey Kotchman comes up too.

I don’t honestly think many people were expecting Moreland (who only hit 16 homers in the season) to go deep there.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 3, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

So as long as we ignore the bad decisions, Joe does a great job?

I’m not saying he’s horrible. But managing a bullpen by-the-numbers is easy as pie, and fairly effective. If you are going to break with conventional wisdom, you need better than “more often than not.” Because conventional wisdom works more often than not. That’s why it’s conventional wisdom.

And the Feliz point is just silly. He is never used in a matchup role, so I wouldn’t expect him to be used in that way. Peralta is often used in matchup situations, so it is reasonable to expect him to be used that way in a playoff game.

by nomoredevil on Oct 3, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who said anything about ignoring his bad decisions?

I said the common perception — as in the emotional perception — might be much different had some recent events had different results. This organization, this website, and most the users here are not interested in results-based analysis, but process-based.

Because conventional wisdom works more often than not. That’s why it’s conventional wisdom.

What conventional wisdom are you talking about here? Because conventional conventional wisdom is, “Don’t bring in your setup man unless you’ve got the lead in the 8th.”

And yeah, the Feliz point is supposed to be silly — a bullpen ace against a not-scary hitter — which is kind of my point.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Oct 3, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The games are played on the field, not on a TPR

and there goes our season

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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 3, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that directed at me or Woody?

Because there are several examples over the last few years of Joe mismanaging the bullpen.His reliance on JP Howell in key spots this year and his use of Randy Choate to attempt to get out righties at the beginning of last year come most readily to mind, but there are others.

by nomoredevil on Oct 3, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a gamble

 I’m sure Madden was trying to eek out one last inning from Gomes, and based on his recent past, (Moreland’s been in a long slump) a gamble worth taking if you’re pen isn’t stacked and well-rested. Unfortunately, it didn’t work. These things happen in baseball.

Baseball's hard, guys. I mean, it really is. You can love it but, believe me, it don't always love you back. It's kind of like dating a German chick, you know?

by Buttermaker on Oct 3, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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