So... Who Are Your Top 10 Prospects?
by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
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PrintGiven that it's only been a week since the last Arizona Fall League update, it's not worth checking in on 2-3 innings or 10 at bats. Instead, a conversation starter: What's your top 10 prospect list look like?
It's about that time, and it's looking like John Sickels will be the first "big name" with a Rays list out, coming within two weeks or so. BaseballAmerica will be tackling the National League first, Kevin Goldstein goes in draft order, and Keith Law unveils his all at once with his top 100.
Jeremy Hellickson, Desmond Jennings, Alex Cobb (innings), and Jake McGee (service time) have graduated. Here's my list:
1. Matt Moore - Duh.
2. Hak-Ju Lee - Still pretty easy.
3. Enny Romero - That's right, I went there.
4. Drew Vettleson - A drafted hitter looking good? Are we sure?
5. Alex Torres - Might be a bullpen arm, but a valuable one.
6. Chris Archer - Stuff is too good not to rank him highly.
7. Taylor Guerrieri - Stuff is too good not to rank him highly.
8. Tim Beckham - Prediction: This thread features a Beckham argument.
9. Mikie Mahtook - Similar to #10, but tools are a bit better across the board.
10. Brandon Guyer
Next five (in no particular order):
Josh Sale - It's still real to me
Jake Hager - Fine, fine
Ryan Brett
Alex Colome
Derek Dietrich
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Tell me more about this guy, seems like very projectable with good K/BB and k/9 numbers
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=592772
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I like him but he has to add to the fastball (or see a report that he has done that)
Lobstein struck out more than a hitter per inning with HV a few years back, you can do that as a lefty with a mid-to-high-80s fastball in the low minors
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
He finished '11 there so yeah
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe some small quibbles, but this looks mostly fine. It's not like there isn't just a stew of guys after Moore that haven't differentiated themselves all that much.
I’d probably slide Beckham up a few slots, but I’m guessing you’re just trolling for comments so I won’t linger.
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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
It's very muddled from 3 through 9
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
And you could make the argument there isn't much separating Archer and Colome, so yeah
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, it's not trolling for comments
You know I’ve never liked Beckham as much as rglass some people.
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
All depends on the priorities of the grader
If you’re someone that likes players closer to call up then I think I’d have Beckham two or three. I’m down on HJL, but it’s not like I know anything. I hope he gets off to a fast start or you could see a lot of guys jumping ship.
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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You hade Enny rated 12th on your June list
What did you in the second half of the season that impressed you so much to jump him over all those players?
Partly the high strikeout rate, partly the fact he did have games where his command was good
Mostly it’s like Sandy said, no one past Moore differentiated themselves (I like HJL better than him but that aside) so I’m just going with a guy I really like.
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Top scout TGN1 tells me DIetrich has a swing like Brignac, so release him now
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nice
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
so post it, that's the whole point of the thread
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes sir.
Off the top of my head (my working list is at home):
1. Moore
2. Lee
3. Guerrieri
4. Torres
5. Vettleson
6. Romero
7. Archer
8. Mahtook
9. Beckham
10. Guyer
Dietrich, Brett, Colome, Sale, and a few others are next in line.
I know nothing, but I can play this game.
1) Matt Moore
2) Hak-Ju Lee
3) Alex Torres – That curve ball caught my imagination. The run and sink on it are fantastic. Context matters, but in a vacuum, easily better than Helly’s, in the conversation with Shields’s.
4) Chris Archer – Someone reposted a racist comment from another site criticising archer for Archer liking to read and for his favorite book being a biography of Malcom X. Made me higher on him. There’s a strong correspondence between being a radical intellectual and an ace pitcher.
5) Tim Beckham – Proximity to the bigs is important for me. It takes away plenty of the uncertainty.
6) Enny Romero – See #5, especially for pitchers.
7) Drew Vettelson
8) Taylor Guerrieri – See #6.
9) Mike Mahtook – Hmm. I’d like to have him higher. This exercise makes me feel better about the system.
10) Josh Sale – One bad year for a highly touted high school hitter isn’t enough to hugely change my opinion on him. Still exited.
how did the radical intellectual and the ace pitcher begin their correspondence in this anecdote?
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by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill "Spaceman" Lee
and there goes our season
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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I had to be snarky there :)
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by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
This is mine
I AM THE MONSTER - The big SCARY monsta
by sc_monsta1015 on Oct 25, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Imp,
If you had to bet your life savings on who has a higher career WAR right now between Bex and Vettleson who do you take?
Love,
rglass
Beckham
But ceiling is a factor obv
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i still think bex has the higher ceiling. i think hes less likely to reach his ceiling.
i think bex has the higher floor and ceiling, and id be very surprised if vettleson has a better career than bex.
Just off the top of my head ...
… as I’m at work and my list is @home:
I’d say:
1) Moore
2) Lee
3) Romero … I like it that you have him at 3 as well
4) Torres … impressed me with his finish in ’11
5) Colome … I have him higher than most
6) Archer
7) Vettleson … please continue
8) Beckham
9) Guerrieri
10) Guyer
Next in line: Dietrich, Sale, Mahtook, Canzler, Markel, Morrison, Bailey
What do you see in Bailey still?
He had a good April but was terrible otherwise.
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's a decent defender
I think I like Justin O’Conner more than him though, as crazy as that may sound.
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoa, WTF at these Bailey splits
vs. RHP – .263/.342/.469
vs. LHP – .125/.171/.181
He’s a RHB too, that’s insane
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He's the Anti-Shop
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Oct 25, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see.
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I mean BUSTin O'Conner
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Great job Kevin--you just pulled off an sf1--great nickname and one i'll be using
Can Josh Fale be far behind?
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"Fa-Lay" doesn't really work
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by Transplanted on Oct 25, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Sally
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 25, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I read that as Josh Far-ley though, due to the pronunciation of his surname.
I’m predicting Sale will have a very solid 1st half, then really turn it on in the 2nd half. Keeping the faith here.
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by Concretepiggy on Oct 25, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not much statistically ...
… but he was a tad better in the 2nd half of the season (.744 OPS). His defensive statistics (don’t have scouting reports) look fine. He was quite young for A-ball also. But, overall I agree: Very bad approach at the plate, no signs of hittability.
He just simply was a favourite of mine since even before he was drafted. His potential seemed to be huge. I give him one more injury free year before giving up on him.
I liked Justin O’Conner as well when he was drafted but his year was much worse than Bailey’s.
Are you sure you have that right?
He was good in April, then bad (and injured) in the second half.
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Just looked it up, nevermind (his bad May took his first half numbers down)
Only 26 games in the second half though
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think so ...
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=571457
First half: .645; Second half: .744 OPS.
Yup, saw that
BTW – The Hot Rods twitter account linked to your Romero piece at RaysProspects, I really liked it too
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Next Tuesday (a week from today) I think
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Mine:
Moore
Lee
Bex
Vettleson
Torres
Guerrieri
Archer
Romero
Guyer
Mahtook
In the convo for 10: Hager, Sale, Colome, Brett, Carpenter, and Dietrich.
Much like everyone else, there's a big log-jam at 4-12 for me.
I’m higher on Bex than pretty much anyone, though.
I also like Bex @ 3 because of where he is relative to everyone else
Durham is looking pretty empty
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by Transplanted on Oct 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Durham will be as good as always
Or at least, as good as you can be while graduating Matt Moore. Right now, Durham’s rotation looks like it’ll be a rehabbing Alex Cobb followed by Alex Torres and Chris Archer. That’s awfully good. And hey, Nick Barnese isn’t necessarily done as a prospect yet, either. So those are 4 guys worth watching.
On the field, they’ll have the typical AAA vet depth the Rays always stockpile, plus Beckham and Cole Figueroa in the middle infield, plus some interesting fringe prospects like Stephen Vogt (catching?), I-wrote-him-off-too-early Kyeong Kang, and of course Robinson Chirinos.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 25, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Bush and Marquis Fleming in the pen too
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
When I say empty, I mean more like there's no WOW-player there
Lots of solid ones, but no Jennings or Moore like last year
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by Transplanted on Oct 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Hoping he brings that AFL BB% with him
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by Transplanted on Oct 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
And grows wings to improve his fielding!
(Willing to settle for just improvements)
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by Transplanted on Oct 25, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
DAMNIT I WAS PROMISED OZZIE SMITH DEFENSE
I DEMAND IT NOW OR HE IS A BUSTTTTTTTTT
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by Transplanted on Oct 25, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
enthusiasm warranted
the only thing needed for Torres and Archer to become elite prospects is for them to halve their walk rates. I know; that’s easier said than done — but still: Matt Moore averaged 5.1 BB/9 in 2009, 3.8 in 2010, and 2.7 last year. So it can be done.
by AndrewTorrez on Oct 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Matt Bush could be that WoW player
if he doesn’t break camp with the big league club. I think he could still become a shut down back end guy.
I think Matt Bush could be that WoW player
“WoW = World of Warcraft”
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 26, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, quotes around the wrong thing there
But you get it
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 26, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just as high on Bex as you, I think
A lot of guys get a chance to put up dominant numbers when they repeat a league. The Rays have been aggressive with him from the start, promoting him a league a year without fail. The tools are still there. Contact is decent, and can show signs of improving. I like how he improves from AB to AB in-games. I wish I had more evidence for this, but I’ve heard this from a couple of places. He spent a year working on taking his walks (possibly to the detriment of other areas of his game), and his power potential is starting to emerge. He’s done this typically as the youngest player in every league he’s played in. He has shown flashes of all the tools. Defense, power, contact, patience, speed. I’m excited to see what he does at AAA, now that he’s had a taste of it. Nothing he’s done has been all that exciting. But he’s shown he’s capable of doing anything. I don’t know if that breakout year will come, but he still projects as an average to above average SS in MLB. That may not be #1 overall pick worthy, but considering how many of those flame out, and how hard it is to find above-average SS’s, he has a chance to have a good career in TB.
by raysfaninminnesota on Oct 25, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the list
Personally, I think I value floor more than you do, though. I think the top 6 are pretty clear: Moore, Lee, Guyer, Archer, Torres, and Beckham, because all six are virtual locks to play in the majors even though their ceilings are obviously different.
Not sure why Guyer is getting so little love; here’s a guy that was a tools-first prospect who finally broke out at age 24 and put up numbers to match. The Rays got him as part of a haul to see if that improvement was real AND promoted him to AAA — and look, it was! I’m an OBP-is-life guy as much as anyone, and Guyer’s obviously got flaws, but at worst you’re looking at what, the next Jose Guillen? And that dude has 6,414 MLB plate appearances.
After that, there’s a gap to the guys with great-to-good upside but who still might flame out in the minors: Romero, Guerrieri, Vettleson, Sale, Colome, and Dietrich (and probably in that order).
Don’t get me wrong — sometimes when you have a player with insane upside in the very low minors but also a huge downside (someone like Manny Machado?), I can see how a player like that cracks the top of your prospect lists. But right now I don’t see anyone in the low minors with that kind of insane upside that outweighs the certainty AND upside of the top 6 guys.
Too easy:
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the list definately isn't as easy as it has been in the past
Moore
Lee
Torres
Beckham
Guerreri
Romero
Archer
Mahtook
Vettleson
Bush
next 5 Dietrich, Guyer, Colome, Sale, Bortnick
Sorry to see Leslie not make the cut this year :(
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still planning a longer fanpost on this (which has been delayed by a fanpost I am making on whether or not Hellickson was squeezed).
But if I had to throw 10 names out there, I would say:
1. Moore
2. Lee
3. Beckham
4. Torres
5. Vettleson
6. Romero
7. Guerrieri
8. Mahtook
9. Archer
10. Guyer
Here's my list that I put 3mins of thought into
1. Moore
2. Lee
3. Beckham
4. Vettleson
5. Torres
6. Romero
7. Archer
8. Guerrieri
9. Mahtook
10. Sale
Next 5: Guyer, Hager, Brett, Dietrich, O’Conner
From 5(Torres) to 11(Guyer) is just a big mix of guys.
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Anybody have a legitimate scouting report (pitches, velo, delivery) on Romero and/or Colume
by Joe Maddon's Glasses on Oct 25, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
here you go from :
Colome (BA pre-season):
Scouting Report: Colome’s live arm rivals that of anyone in the system. His 91-93 mph fastball touches 96 and features natural sink as well as armside run. He also throws a tight 11-to-5 curveball that has the makings of a plus pitch. He has improved the consistency of his changeup and used it frequently last season to retire lefthanders. Colome tends to overthrow at times, and his control and command can be erratic. He has learned to use the inner half of the plate by challenging hitters with his fastball, and he has shown some promise in backdooring his curve for strikes.
Romero (BA from July):
Enny Romero, lhp, Rays
Team: low Class A Bowling Green (Midwest). Age: 20.
Results: 2-5, 4.79 through 19 starts, 100 strikeouts, 48 walks, 9 home runs in 82 2/3 innings.
Best Start: April 7 at Dayton—5 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 1 walk, 8 strikeouts.
Romero throws harder more consistently than any pitcher here, sitting in the mid-90s and reaching 96 mph to give him a true above-average fastball. His power mentality applies to his curveball as well. It’s a firm breaking pitch with solid rotation, delivered from a high three-quarters arm slot in the low 80s. Both that pitch and his low-80s changeup remain below-average offerings, which he’ll need to refine in order to profile as a starter. Romero tends to walk too many batters, regardless of which side of the plate they stand, though righties have struck eight of the nine homers he’s allowed. Lefties have gone 23-for-93 (.247) with four extra-base hits.
Thanks for the info.
by Joe Maddon's Glasses on Oct 25, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just curious...
What do you like about him (or see in him) that you haven’t seen in our other top draftees?
Let's hope he doesn't kill a guy like the last Stallion we drafted or as I can assume all have done
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by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That's good reading comprehension there boy
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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 25, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He's toolsy
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by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lenny Linsky
Have to put him on my list somewhere.
I suspect he’ll advance through the system next year at a more rapid clip than a normal Rays prospect.
Unless of course, he hits that “reality” along the way.
Yup, he and Bush are my two top 30 relievers
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Organizational discussion
Here’s everybody I can think of that’s of interest in the organization, ranked (roughly) in descending order within each position. I get 72 players that are at least worth thinking about:
RHSP (13) — Chris Archer, Taylor Guerreri, Alex Colome, Nick Barnese, Andrew Bellatti, Alex Koronis, Shane Dyer, Jeff Ames, Jacob Faria, Joe Cruz, Merrill Kelly, Jason McEachern, Jake Floethe
LHSP (12) — Matt Moore, Alex Torres, Enny Romero, C.J. Riefenhauser, Kyle Lobstein, Braulio Lara, Blake Snell, Ryan Carpenter, Matthew Spann, Felipe Rivero, Grayson Garvin, Jacob Partridge
RHRP (7) — Marquis Fleming, Matt Bush, Scott Shuman, Lenny Linsky, Dane De la Rosa, Jay Buente, Ryan Reid
LHRP (1) — Ryan Carpenter
C (5) — Justin O’Conner, Jose Lobaton, Matt Rice, Robinson Chrinos, Stephen Vogt
1B (6) — Cam Seitzer, Jeff Malm, John Alexander, Ismael Aguero, Henry Wrigley, Phil Wunderlich
2B (4) — Tyler Bortnick, Cole Figueroa, Ryan Brett, Robby Price
SS (7) — Hak-Ju Lee, Tim Beckham, Derek Dietrich, Jake Hager, Johnny Eierman, Juniel Querecuto, Brandon Martin
3B (3) — Tyler Goeddel, Taylor Motter, Leopoldo Correa
COF (7) — Brandon Guyer, Drew Vettleson, Josh Sale, Granden Goetzman, Kyeong Kang, Brett Nommensen, Todd Glaesmann
CF (7) — Mikie Mahtook, Kes Carter, James Harris, Joel Araujo, Ty Morrison, Cody Rogers, Deshun Dixon
DH (1) — Russ Canzler
Anyone I’ve missed? Anyone who should be completely taken off the list? I’ve probably shorted some of the VSL/DSL guys, most of whom I know very little about. But this quick take shows where the organizational strengths and weaknesses are.
Carpenter is a SP
Matt Spann and Brandon Henderson I’d add.
Oscar Hernandez at C
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops, Spann is there
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
uh, Nevin much?
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 25, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesse Hahn and Wilking Rodriguez RHP
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke Bailey
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by FreeZorilla on Oct 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Puke Bailey
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Suck Fuckley
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by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't be giving away gold like that for free
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would O'Connor be on the list
but not Bailey?
I thought the Rays released Buente.
Have they re-signed him?
Oscar Hernandez from the VSL
by Moore Guerreri and Cheese on Oct 25, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Also Andres Gonzalez
Who I like better than Hernandez, and there’s more scouting material out there on.
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Johnathon Quinonez as well who the Rays thought enough of to bring him stateside.
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by Moore Guerreri and Cheese on Oct 27, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hernandez is stateside now
he has been in Port Charlotte for a couple months now and will most likely play 2012 in the GCL
You hate Cody Rogers and that makes me sad inside
I guess I might have Nevin and Mark Rogers there for catchers
Guevara, Lobstein, Keirmaier, Havlicek might all be “interesting” in their own way.
good point on rogers. surprised no one mentioned him as an "interesting" prospect.
the tools are all there, and he hasnt totally floundered. at some point he needs to turn the tools to skills.
I mean, he's on there
but having him between Morrison and Deshun seems to be selling him a bit short in my opinion, but I’ve always loved Rogers so I dunno. If he gets a chance to keep playing centerfield there might be something there, but if he moves to a corner, who knows
Also, I meant Mark Thomas when I said catchers, not Mark Rogers
he's done more statistically more recently than either Morrison or Deshun
although I suppose he also has a bigger glaring issues with the Ks. The fact that he has shown more raw power than he was given credit for a couple years in a row now makes me high on him. Morrison’s performance, coming off injury or not, was concerning. Sub .280 wOBAs this year from Morrison and Deshun don’t really compare to Rogers’ .340 .
by Navi's_Navy on Oct 28, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Kevin, in your opinion, who will be the tough choices for the 40 man spots?
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I don't know offhand who needs to be added
Colome probably? Nick Barnese I don’t think should be added
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the 40-man deadline this year
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by Transplanted on Oct 25, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Bechkam on Top 10??
Strikes out WAY too much, OPS .730 hitter doesn’t look sexy to me.
1. Moore
2. Lee
3. Torres
4. Romero
5. Vettleson
6. Guerrieri
7. Guyer
8. Archer
9. Mahtook
10. Colome
Personally, I expect Jake Hager breaks into Top 10 next year.
Love his swing
by Patrick Relano Kim on Oct 25, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
In before rglass
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize he plays SS, not a corner position
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by Transplanted on Oct 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He drew 42.0 walks
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 26, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Mine's like this
1. Moore
2. Lee
3. James Shields Trade Haul #1
4. James Shields Trade Haul #2
5. Beckham
6. James Shields Trade Haul #3
7. Romero
8. Vettleson
9. Guerrieri
10. Guyer
Which team is giving us those 3 good prospects?
Pretty sure we get MLB experienced talent in return. Doubt we can add 3 top 6 prospects to that.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Oct 25, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
thats like 2 top 100s and one top 150ish I'd bet.
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by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Here we go!
1. Moore
2. Lee
3. Torres
4. Bex
5. Vettleson
6. Guyer
7. Romero
8. Vettleson
9. Guerrieri
10. Archer
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Is that Vettleson Sr. and Jr.?
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by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You have him listed twice is what he's getting at
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by Imperialism32 on Oct 25, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got Leslie and JJ Furmaniak in my top 10!
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by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone that lists Moore at #1 is listing him too low, but anyways...
1. Matt Moore – Shook his hand in Texas, now beautiful women want to have sex with me.
2. Hak-Ju Lee – Whenever I go asian, I go #2.
3. Tim Beckham – Tim somehow ended up as Scott Cousins secret santa this year.
4. Alex Torres – Niemann’s wife calls him to finish the job too.
5. Drew Vettleson – He’s the Washington HS OF we drafted that knows how to play baseball.
6. Chris Archer – Stuff. Trust the process. Still looking for another bullshit reason to put him here.
7. Mikie Mahtook – with a name like Mikie, we know he’s mentally tough.
8. Ryan Brett – Dustin Pedroia is a poor man’s Ryan Brett.
9. Jeff Malm – Hosmer without the defense, production or potential.
10. Oscar Hernandez – Only a pussy leaves the VSL Babe Ruth off their list.
by generaltso on Oct 26, 2011 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Like everyone said, everything after the first three for me are completely up in the air and where I have them today as opposed to tomorrow is pretty much arbitrary
1) Matt Moore
2) Hak-Ju Lee
3) Alex Torres
…
4) Chris Archer
5) Tim Beckham
6) Taylor Guerrieri
7) Enny Romero
8) Drew Vettleson
9) Mike Mahtook
10) Josh Sale
Others (no order): Guyer/Bortnick/Hager/Brett/?? ((I still dont hate Barnese but maybe Wilking around here?))
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Moore
Lee
Torres
You can just pick anyone mentioned in this topic and put them in at 4-10.
Except Bex. He’s MAYBE top 25.
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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 26, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll admit I haven't paid nearly as much attention this year as I have for the last 6 or 7 years
But I’d go:
1) Matt Moore
2) Hak-Ju Lee
[large gap]
3) Alex Colome
4) Alex Torres
5) Brandon Guyer
6) Mikie Mahtook
7) Tyler Guerreri (love the arm, hate the head)
8) Drew Vettleson
9) Parker Markel
10) Tim Beckham
All that said, there isn’t a huge difference between 4 and 15 probably.
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why so high on colome?
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by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He throws about the same stuff as Guerreri
Doesn’t have the mental makeup issues, and while he doesn’t strike guys out like crazy, he’s always gotten decent results overall. Plus, one way in which my rankings have always differed is that I account for trade value. While we mostly look at the hard numbers with some scouting thrown in, that’s not how all teams look at it. and we can probably get good value for him.
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Also the same reason I seem to be higher on Markel than everyone else
FWIW, my next few would be Archer, Brett, Dietrich, Goeddel and Gonzalez. And somehow I completely forgot about Enny Romero, who probably should have slotted in at #5.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Pretty interchangeable, IMO
But maybe I just have SNTS. Every single one of Archer’s peripherals got much worse this past year, so I might be overly down on him.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
that's what i was wondering, if colome was up that high where the hell was romero?
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by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
Surprised nobody really has Colome in their top 10 even. His stuff is about the same as Guerreri’s, and at least he’s made it through AA without flaming out.
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