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The Rays Tank: Happy Yom Kippur, Davey Martinez Is Still Ours

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Holy cow, the Yankees lost last night. Well, in case you were still feeling ashamed that the Rays got knocked out so early in the playoffs, you can let that go. It turns out the Yanks and their groundbreaking "Too Much Moneyball" approach didn't last much longer. 

But anyway, I suppose I should probably explain the headline. In case you aren't aware, tonight begins Yom Kippur, one of the most important holidays of the year for Jews. Why am I bothering to point this out? Some famous Jews have chosen in the past  not to participate in playoff games due to Yom Kippur -- Sandy Koufax and Hank Greenberg -- and Alex Remington over at FanGraphs took a look if there were any players that might sit out this season.

The short answer is, well, there aren't all that many Jews in baseball. But the long answer is much more fun, and I learned something new about Ryan Braun and Gabe Kapler

Also at FanGraphs, Brad took a really cool look at the correlation between strikeout rate and swinging strike rate, and he creates a basic model for estimating a player's strikeout rate next season. If Hellickson can improve his strikeout rate like that...oh boy, I'm getting the vapors.

Can anyone explain to me the Marlins new logo? It's officially, officially been confirmed as the real deal now, and I'm curious if there's a regional aspect to it. Is the coloring a Miami thing?

I feel like there are two ways to feel about Brian Wilson: either you love his quirkiness or you think he's a giant loser. I fall under the "love the quirkiness" category, so I feel obligated to pass this video along. Rarely do I find ramblings about a sport I don't care about entertaining...but that's pretty fun.

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The White Sox reached a decision for their open managerial spot, and it looks like Dave Martinez is still a Ray so far; the Sox went with Robin Ventura instead. I tend to think they're crazy for passing over Davey -- he's worth it for the beard-growing abilities alone -- but that just means the Rays get to keep him for the time being. Someday Davey is going to get snatched up by another team, but thankfully that day isn't here yet.

Andrew Friedman and Joe Maddon had their season-ending press conference yesterday afternoon, and Marc Topkin wrote up a couple different takes on the action. You've already probably seen J.B. Long's writeup from the conference, but I always find it interesting to get another perspective on what's said. These articles also give us a good idea on where the Rays stand entering the offseason (payroll-wise and all), so they're worth perusing.

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Marlins new logo may have each color represent something about Miami(what I read)

Maybe they should’ve payed 600M to someone to create a better logo.

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Oct 7, 2011 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

It looked obviously like someone’s elementary school aged son or daughter doodled it. Too obvious, I guess. Too obvious.

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "FUCK THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Oct 7, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what the colors mean,

but it is pretty obvious that it was designed by the same person who designed the logo for their new stadium. If you haven’t seen that one just check out the Marlins webpage, as it is shown in multiple spots. They’ve been using that logo to promote the new stadium for at least a year now. The new Marlins logo looks like a continuation on that theme.

If you think about it, they built a stadium with a very modern look, and that is the same kind of look they seem to be going for with the new logo. Most people may not be fans of it, but at least you can say they are being somewhat consistent in their message. I think the logo could have been much better if they had simply stuck with two colors. I personally would have left off the yellow. The combination of colors makes it look very late 70s/early 80s. I actually don’t think it looks too bad in all white on the side of the chair.

by acelion on Oct 7, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

In before FZ points out that you don't wish anyone a "happy" Yom Kippur as it is the day of atonement.

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "not since they nerfed sunfire capes"

†††If you love Jesus Christ and are 100% proud of it, copy this and make it your signature!†††

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

(Sorry Stu!)

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "not since they nerfed sunfire capes"

†††If you love Jesus Christ and are 100% proud of it, copy this and make it your signature!†††

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

($tu!)

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "not since they nerfed sunfire capes"

†††If you love Jesus Christ and are 100% proud of it, copy this and make it your signature!†††

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

farrrrrrrrrt

I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______

by Jason Collette on Oct 7, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Yom Kippur day, Stu!!!! The one day a year where it's actually ok to not tip anyone.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Oct 7, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This is what I do

Services tonight, services tomorrow, fasting until sundown tomorrow. Happy probably isn’t the right word, but its a spiritually cleansing holiday of reflection which I always find theraputic. Regardless of the word choice, the mere mention of the holiday by Steve-O is a thoughtful and appreciated gesture.

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 7, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you choke on this

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "not since they nerfed sunfire capes"

†††If you love Jesus Christ and are 100% proud of it, copy this and make it your signature!†††

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I figured using 'happy' was a touch ironic or some such.

But cool…all the best with it.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 7, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, maybe this works out for Ken Williams

but Robin Ventura may very well be the worst managerial hire of all time. Ventura’s only experience was being hired as a special assistant to Buddy Bell (head scout for the Sox) 4 months ago.

by Dbullsfan on Oct 7, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Nolan Ryan

thinks it’s a great hire.

How many games and runs should we spot the competition next year?

by Deepdoodle on Oct 7, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you only follow one of these links, the "Too Much Moneyball" video is pretty hilarious.

Although I’m a little late to the party.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 7, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

You're an insensitive monster

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "not since they nerfed sunfire capes"

†††If you love Jesus Christ and are 100% proud of it, copy this and make it your signature!†††

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Oct 7, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's a giant slacker.

Just looking for an excuse to cruise control, obvi.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow

by Steve Slowinski on Oct 7, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting Fangraphs article on Helly...

Would love to see him add a slider to his arsenal. His CB is more of a “show me” pitch, that he can flip in the strikezone during FB counts… Not as much of a finishing pitch. It is a solid pitch, and useful, but not that go-to K pitch on righties.
If he could pick up a tight slider to finish off righties (mix in with that nasty changeup), I think you’d see him really take a step closer to being a top tier pitcher.

by td32 on Oct 7, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Couldn't Disagree More.

His curveball is much more than a “show me” pitch. It got a 16.7% whiff rate against righties (which is very good), but only a 7.5 whiff rate against lefties. His changeup is very effective against both, giving him the tools to absolutely dominate righties.

Curves are often platoon neutral, or at least not super-slanted, so I think he needs to figure out how to make the curve more effective against lefties, too. Adding a slider, which is usually a strong platoon pitch, is NOT what he needs to do.

by Whelk on Oct 7, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if you realize this

But most of the Rays ptchers try to pick up a 4th pitch. For Helly, it would either be a cutter or slider. Personally, I would prefer to see him add a slider to throw to righties. You stated the CB is a neutral pitch, as is the CH, so why no add another weapon for righties?

by td32 on Oct 7, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I stated that the CB is OFTEN a neutral pitch.

This past season, his was not, hence point number one is to get it to work against lefties.

I know Hickey said that he likes pitchers to have four pitches, but can you think of a single Rays pitcher who added a slider at the major league level? Because I can’t. Add in the fact that a cutter might help with his platoon struggles (5.71 xFIP agianst lefties in 2011) where the slider probably won’t, and the fact that he may already have done some tinkering with a cutter (those fastballs straying to the right of zero), and you have the cutter as the far more likely, and I would say useful, pitch.

by Whelk on Oct 7, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've got me convinced...

Only hesitation for me is cutter is so dangerous if used poorly

by td32 on Oct 7, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, one would love to be able to get to Roy Halladay without going through Shields last year.

Or some of Price this year. Gotta think that Helly has more pitchability than Price, and the FO/Hickey learned plenty from studying Shields that will relate to Helly.

by Whelk on Oct 7, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, writing was on the wall there at the end

He was one of the first guys to welcome me into the media fray this season and was always engaging.

I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______

by Jason Collette on Oct 7, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was a homer personified.

Great to listen when they won but god awful when they lost.

If you want to keep guns out of the hands of thugs, just attach job applications to them

by DeadeyeRR on Oct 7, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the broadcast can use a little bit more homerism.

Since the Rays got good, Dave and Andy have developed both an off-putting lack of regard for other teams and a sense of entitlement to better performance. I used to prefer radio to TV if I wasn’t sitting down to watch intently, but now I only ever switch on the radio when I need to, and sometimes I choose the away broadcast.

by Whelk on Oct 7, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liked him too, especially in the lean years.

He was very much a bulldog, defending the Rays’ players to irate fans. I always appreciated it.

by Whelk on Oct 7, 2011 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gabe

Career SLG .420

F-bombs outside the GDT are a bannable offense
consider this a warning
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by sternfan1 on Oct 4, 2011 8:54 AM EDT

by Rayskins on Oct 7, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe someday

Jason Kipnis will be facing the same decision as Ryan Braun.

by MrNegative1 on Oct 7, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Or Lenny Linsky!

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by FreeZorilla on Oct 7, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they like "Jewish people" more than "Jews"

where are my gifs? is this a new thread? you guys are litl fucking sluts. uck you guys. i bet you guys tmpons in the womines bathromms and pay 75 cents for each ne. fuck you

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