Rays Community Prospect #5

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 1:20 PM EST

With 80% of the runoff votes, Enny Romero is elected the 4th prospect for the Rays.

3. Alex Torres (53%)

4. Enny Romero (80% runoff)

Josh Sale and Ryan Brett will be added as testers.

Candidates: Chris Archer, Alex Colome, Taylor Guerrieri, Mikie Mahtook, Tim Beckham, Drew Vettleson, Brandon Guyer, Josh Sale, and Ryan Brett.

Chris Archer: With a superb slider and fastball combo, Archer has very good stuff. However, his changeup lags behind and his command has been very poor. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=archer001chr)

Alex Colome: Colome has a plus fastball and a developing curve and changeup. His command still needs some work. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=colome001ale)

Taylor Guerrieri: The Rays first pick in the 2011 draft out of high school, Guerrieri has a good fastball/curveball mix. He has no pro experience.

Mikie Mahtook: Mahtook was a first round pick in the 2011 draft. He plays in the OF and possesses good all-around tools. He has no pro experience, except some time in the AFL.

Tim Beckham: The first overall pick in the 2008 draft, Beckham is the heat of much debate. Some say he has plenty of tools while others doubt it. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=beckha001tim)

Drew Vettleson: The Ray's second first round pick in 2010, Vettleson put up a strong year in 2011. He is an all around player with solid defense and a good bat. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=vettle001dre)

Brandon Guyer: Guyer has hit well despite being a little older for a prospect. He has solid tools across the board and should contribute for the Rays in 2012. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=guyer-001bra)

Josh Sale: A hyped up first round pick from the 2010 Rays draft, Josh Sale performed poorly in his first pro year at Princeton, with rumors of swing issues (I don't know how accurate they are). He still has raw power though. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=sale--001jos)

Ryan Brett: A third round pick from the 2010 draft, Brett performed well during his first year. He has a good all around game, but his defense at 2B needs work. If he has to move, CF would probably be the spot. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=brett-001rya)

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No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.

by thedudeofdudes on Nov 20, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions

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by TFelsmaier on Nov 21, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions

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by Dbullsfan on Nov 21, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions

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by g8rboarder on Nov 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions

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by gjsor on Nov 21, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions

Tim Beckham

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions

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Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Nov 20, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions

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by generaltso on Nov 20, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions

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by Ben Tumbling on Nov 20, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions

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by sc_monsta1015 on Nov 20, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions

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by raysfaninminnesota on Nov 20, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions

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by rglass44 on Nov 21, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions

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by behn on Nov 21, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions

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by ReyL on Nov 21, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions

Drew Vettleson

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions

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by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions

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by Imperialism32 on Nov 20, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions

I see you have joined the bandwagon.

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions

I had him 4th behind Enny Romero on my top 10

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by Imperialism32 on Nov 21, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions

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by jtmorgan on Nov 20, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions

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by RaysTheRoof on Nov 21, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions

Brandon Guyer

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions

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by mattc286 on Nov 20, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions

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by TBRaysfan009 on Nov 20, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions

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by AndrewTorrez on Nov 21, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions

Josh Sale

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions

Ryan Brett

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions

Other

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions

Testers

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions

While I agree that Beckham is underrated right now

and his status is hurt because he was the #1 overall pick, I just dont by him right now. I would put Guerrier, Mahtook, and Vettleson ahead of him. Thats just my opinion though, dont blast me for it.

No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.

by thedudeofdudes on Nov 20, 2011 6:16 PM EST reply actions

I am very surprised at the love Beckham is getting.

Mahtook appears to be the better hitter already and, while he won’t play SS, should be plus in a COF spot and potentially get some time at CF if needed.

Mahtook seems to have every edge on him except pro experience and defense. The defensive gap between a little below average SS and a plus RF isn’t that big though, is it?

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions

How are you evaluating Mahtook's hitting? AFL? College?

Also, what level is he supposed to start at next year?

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Nov 20, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions

AFL.

John and I discussed it in the Rays thread. He said Mahtook is the better hitter at this point. I have a feeling Mahtook will start at A+ next year.

by mr. maniac on Nov 20, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions

Personally, I love what I see in the numbers from AFL, but I need more

And hopefully if he starts in A+, the Rays won’t hold him back, and he advances to AA midseason if he’s doing well, or even if he isn’t, honestly, so we have a better idea on him.

And about Sickels, he was a dick about Beckham, so I’m taking anything he says about the guy with a grain of salt.

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Nov 20, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions

Who cares what he thinks? He had Leslie Anderson ahead of him last season.

by rglass44 on Nov 21, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions

Looking at their AFL numbers

Mahtook: .338/.410/.544/.954, 21.3% K-rate, 9.3% BB-rate, and .206 Iso
Beckham: .244/.364/.489/.853, 23.8% K-rate, 14.3% BB-rate, and .245 Iso

So Mahtook K’s slightly less, walked a bit less, hit for less power, and had a higher BABIP. I’m sorry but off the numbers I’ll take the younger SS.

by rglass44 on Nov 21, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions

That two-month-younger edge is huge

Also Mahtook was coming off a much longer layoff than Beckham in terms of facing live, in-game pitching. He started slowly but then got into a groove.

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by Imperialism32 on Nov 21, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions

He was also more well rested.

by rglass44 on Nov 21, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions

And Josh Sale was bad last year becasue of BABIP.

Don’t use the BABIP arguement without seeig the player play.

by mr. maniac on Nov 21, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions

What BABIP argument? So you are saying his Batting Average being higher means he's a better player?

by rglass44 on Nov 21, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions

When his BA is almost a hundred points higher, yes.

It is nice to see Beckham taking some walks and hitting for some power, but he is hitting such a low BA that it is partially nullified.

by mr. maniac on Nov 21, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions

It's 90 at-bats and 68 at-bats

by Ben Tumbling on Nov 21, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions

SSS for sure.

But I doubt Beckham is really a better hitter at this point anyway.

by mr. maniac on Nov 21, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions

you forgot, "because Sickels said so"

I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.

by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions

by pudieron89 on Nov 21, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions

Seems implied. No need for him to post it.

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Nov 21, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions

Does Mahtook develop some power on his way up?

If so, I like him a heck of a lot more.

Mikie may hit more than Beckham (who is still slightly younger FWIW), but looks like Tim might develop some power and play average SS or be a super util. We all know how much the Rays value a guy with position flexibility, which is why I think he’s a more valuable prospect with what we know right now.

by generaltso on Nov 20, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions

As far as I have heard, Mahtook has more power.

by mr. maniac on Nov 21, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions

so we can take their BAs from the AFL in to account but not their Isos. Good to know.

by rglass44 on Nov 21, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions

I never said you couldn't take power into consideration.

Tell me, who do you think, in their prime years will have a higher BA and who will have more power. Beckham or Mahtook?

by mr. maniac on Nov 21, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions

I think Mahtook will surely hit for a higher average. Power-wise, I'm not sure but lean Bex.

by rglass44 on Nov 22, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions

I called the Mahtook helium after the AFL...

by rglass44 on Nov 21, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions

Hak-ju lee is Prospect of Boston

by Kyungduck on Nov 21, 2011 8:59 AM EST reply actions

why do you post this 5 times a week?

by rglass44 on Nov 21, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions

Haha, I've seen it a few times from this same guy already

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by sc_monsta1015 on Nov 21, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions

I don't understand the Guyer love

he seems like a slightly better Ruggiano, I don’t see upside in him .

by Dbullsfan on Nov 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions

Plus defender at any OF position, great arm, speed, plus base runner, patience, flashes of power, and a RH bat who can hit lefties.

Plus he’s MLB ready and I value prospects that are closer to the majors a little more.

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by mattc286 on Nov 21, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions

eh

not sure about the patience part.

but as far as Ruggs goes, he probably would’ve been at least a platooner for a handful of teams. Just because he rotted in the Rays system doesn’t mean he would have elsewhere. In his short time up last season he was fine, and if Guyer is slightly better (I think a little more than slightly), I’ll take that with his defense and good speed. Also, Guyer K’s a lot less than Ruggs.

I understand the love, and for me, it was a tough choice between Guyer and Beckham, and for me, they’re probably interchangeable in this and the next spot on the list.

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Nov 21, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions