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Extension Candidates: Looking At Jeremy Hellickson and David Price

ST PETERSBURG, FL - OCTOBER 04:  Pitcher Matt Moore #55 of the Tampa Bay Rays pitches against the Texas Rangers during Game Four of the American League Division Series at Tropicana Field on October 4, 2011 in St. Petersburg, Florida.  (Photo by J. Meric/Getty Images)

With Matt Moore's shiny new extension in the books, the big question on everyone's mind is, "Well, who's next?" There was much discussion on Friday about locking up a number of players on the Rays, so I figured I'd kick us off by looking at the extension scenarios for two other pitchers: Jeremy Hellickson and David Price.

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Jeremy Hellickson

When you look at all the long-term contracts the Rays have given out to their starting pitchers, it becomes quite easy to notice a trend:

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*Note: All numbers represent salary in millions. Sorry for the lack of identification there.
**All three deals have the option years kick in at the Arb3 level.

Before getting to Hellickson, two quick thoughts. When you adjust for inflation, the Rays are getting an even better deal with Moore than they got with Shields. And man, the Davis extension looks so blah when sandwiched between these two deals. He'll probably (hopefully) still be worth the guaranteed portion of the deal, but that just goes to show how good a deal the Rays are getting on Moore and Shields.

When looked at through this prism, it becomes easy to see what type of deals the Rays are willing to make, and how much risk they are willing to take on when it comes to young pitchers. Hellickson would have to agree to a deal somewhat around the same terms as Shields or Moore if he wanted to ink long-term, and I'm not sure if he'd be willing to do that. Since Scott Boras is his agent and he has such a high prospect pedigree, odds are he wouldn't be as willing to take less money now.

But still, c'mon Hellboy...doesn't this sound like a happy guy?

"I had to basically make up my mind, was it worth it. I feel like the risk is being shared on both ends and I'm happy where we are.'' (Matt Moore, provided by Marc Topkin)

As Tango shows, the risk is being shared very equally. Come on in, Helly, the water's fine.

David Price

Let me be upfront about this: the odds of the Rays signing Price to a long-term extension are slim to none. Despite Price's recent comments on Twitter about being open to a deal, I don't see the two sides as being close enough to make it work.

My reasoning? Price is already entering his first of four season of arbitration eligibility, and odds are that he'll make somewhere around $6-8 million this upcoming season. If he continues to follow the lofty career path of a front-of-the-rotation starter, he'll likely see salaries around these lines over the next six seasons:

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Note the side-by-side comparison with Moore's current deal. Price would have to take a significant discount to sign for a deal that somewhat approximates the standard extensions the Rays' give to starters.

Then again, the Rays shouldn't be concerned with inking Price to a deal just like Moore's; they should try to get him at a similar discount level. If you follow the general discount plan that the Rays gave to Moore -- 30% discount for the first three years, 40% in year four, 50% in year five, etc. -- you end up with something like this:

Arb1: $4.9m
Arb2: $8.4m
Arb3: $10.5m
Arb4: $10.5m
FA1: $11m
FA2: $12m

I'm assuming the Rays would want the final three years to be team options, meaning it would essentially be a three year deal worth around $25 million. That's not a huge discount off what Price is in line to get anyway, but it would be enough to allow the Rays to keep him around for another couple of years..maybe.

This deal would be considerably more expensive and risky than the Rays have yet done with a pitcher, so even though it seems like a decent middle ground, I can't see either side agreeing to it. Price will likely want more money at this stage of his career, and the Rays would probably be hesitant to make such a large investment in a pitcher. Price is great, but a guaranteed $10.5 million salary in 2014? If Price gets injured or flops, he'd be eating up 1/5th of the Rays' budget room that season and essentially torpedo the year.

So as sad as it is to admit, neither Hellickson nor Price seem like good fits for an extension. Either one could happen, but it would depend on the player being willing to take a steep discount on what he's expecting to earn otherwise. I don't see the fit.

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Trade Price?

Would the Royals take Price even up for Eric Hosner?

by MarkFidrych on Dec 12, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

Friedman went to Price last ST with an extension offer...

Price was interested in an extension, but they could never come to terms.

by td32 on Dec 12, 2011 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

I see that "slim to none" being none on Price

I would try to lock up at least one of the Boras guys, Jennings/Hellickson and Joyce for now.

3 would be insane for one off season, more than that, not happening. It helps that Joyce should be pretty cheap.

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by joeybw on Dec 12, 2011 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

I could see something worked out with Hellickson even though Boras is his agent.

Hellickson only received a $500k signing bonus, so he might be looking to lock up some decent money in case something were to happen.

Like 5 years with 2 Options:
1, 1.5, 3, 5.5, 8, 11, 13

Would be something around $21-22MM guaranteed depending upon buyout amount.

by jtmorgan on Dec 12, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

I dunno if Boras would agree to let Hellickson do that

Look @ CarGo’s contract, 7/80 all guaranteed with big money @ the end

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He might discourage something like that, but in the end the decision is Hellickson's to make.

I agree the amount might be a little low especially the 2 FA years, but the first 5 seem about right with it maybe topping at guaranteeing around $23-25MM if the numbers were recognfigured.

by jtmorgan on Dec 12, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The other 3 SP deals all had 3 options

For Hellickson you’d want 2 instead, that’d be interesting to see them make that deviation.

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Dec 12, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It could be 3 Options instead of 2 at the end.

If that’s the case then it’ll probably go up to like 9, 12, 15 or something like that. Either way it would cover to the first 2 FA years. Biggest difference between Cargo and this is it was done after his 2nd season and coming off a monster season. As the market shows pitchers are always higher risk hence the lower guaranteed years they’d receive. If you cut off the 3rd FA year off Cargo it goes down to 6/60 and only covered 1 preArb, where Hellickson would have 2 preArb years in the deal.

With the total of the contract coming out to around 7/$55-60MM depending on the final numbers I think it would be possible to sign Hellickson to this extention, as long as that is what he wants to do. If he doesn’t want the guaranteed money and wants to try to maximize his earnings there’s really nothing that the Rays can do.

by jtmorgan on Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think that the Rays would come to an extension on Price.

It seems most pitchers due to get rich in arb. come to an extension, whether cheap or not. I would do a 3-4 year deal on him.

by mr. maniac on Dec 12, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

And most those teams locking up said pitchers have much higher payrolls than the Rays.

Jered Weaver, Tim Lincecum pop to mind at least.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Dec 12, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Going through arb. won't be any cheaper (it will probably cost more).

Besides, that gives the suitor team (to trade him) a guaranteed salary.

It only doesn’t make sense if the Rays are pretty concerned about an injury.

by mr. maniac on Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya, I think one could get worked out.

I just wouldn’t expect much of a discount. If anything it would flatten out the pay increase to make it more managable inside the Ray’s budget.

by jtmorgan on Dec 12, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

It wouldn’t be a true"longterm" contract.

by mr. maniac on Dec 12, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, going through arb won't be any cheaper.

Hence, he gets traded next offseason. Thems the breaks, it’s just not a good fit for the two sides right now. Like Toby said above, the Rays already approached him about one before and couldn’t work something out, and I doubt anything has changed with another year under his belt.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Dec 12, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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