Is there hope for Wade Davis? (part one)
The Rays have a lot tied up in Wade Davis's future. They've signed him to a long term deal that could keep him in Tampa Bay through 2017, but at this point, it's no longer clear if that would be a good thing, as he's been unable to replicate the success of his rookie year where he posted a 3.72 ERA and a 2.90 FIP.
A little while ago, there was a discussion in one of our threads that went something like this (I'm paraphrasing).
Benderbrodriguez: Wade Davis is not a very good pitcher, and probably won't become one. Anyone who thinks so is a moron.
Mr. Maniac: I'll take the bait. I think he's got potential. There are signs that he's turned a corner. I can see it with my eyes.
Benderbrodriguez: You're a moron. He doesn't strike people out, he doesn't even miss bats. He doesn't get ground balls. Use the data, not your lying eyes.
Personally, after watching 388 innings of 4.22 ERA (4.61 SIERA) ball, in which Davis struck out 5.89 batters and walked 3.20 per nine innings, I'm in the "Wade Davis Is Mediocre" camp. But I don't think Mr. Maniac is a moron, and I'd really like for him to be right. And after all, Wade Davis was always a highly regarded prospect, and comes with a decent (not overwhelming) minor league record. So here's an attempt to find, in the stats, that progress that Mr. Maniac thinks he sees.
For this exercise, I've separated Wade Davis's career into four time spans: His rookie year of 2009, when he looked like a rising star (36.1 IP); his sophomore year of 2010, when his strikeout rate fell, his walk rate rose, and an improvement in BABIP failed to save him from his peripherals (168 IP); the first part of 2011, when his velocity went away (101.8 IP); and the latter part of 2011, beginning with his start on July 22, when the velocity came back (78 IP). I am not including his 2011 and 2010 playoff appearances. All data is from Fangraphs or from Joe Lefkowitz.
Before I begin, I'm going to declare my sample sizes. They're dissimilar, and some are uncomfortably small, so I thought it best to make it clear exactly what I'm working with up front. Take all appropriate grains of salt.
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2009 |
2010 |
2011 (Bad) |
2011 (Good) |
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Total |
RHB |
LHB |
Total |
RHB |
LHB |
Total |
RHB |
LHB |
Total |
RHB |
LHB |
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All Counts |
600 |
229 |
371 |
2787 |
1229 |
1558 |
1673 |
873 |
800 |
1278 |
609 |
669 |
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< 2 Strikes |
420 |
161 |
259 |
2007 |
865 |
1142 |
1235 |
660 |
575 |
893 |
425 |
468 |
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2 Strikes |
180 |
68 |
112 |
780 |
364 |
416 |
438 |
213 |
225 |
385 |
184 |
201 |
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< 3 Balls |
554 |
209 |
345 |
2530 |
1119 |
1411 |
1529 |
806 |
723 |
1178 |
550 |
628 |
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3 Balls |
46 |
20 |
26 |
257 |
110 |
147 |
144 |
67 |
77 |
100 |
59 |
41 |
When he came into the league in 2009 at the tender age of 23, Wade Davis posted a fantastic strikeout rate of nearly a batter an inning. We soon found out that this was unsustainable (we probably should have known this given that he hadn't struck out that many in any season since 2007 in AA). His strikeout rate reached an all time low in the first part of 2011, but did in fact rebound in the second half (during which time Davis cut his walk rate to an all time low).
That graph is comforting to look at, especially if you subscribe to the idea that a line drawn between two data points is a trend. The cutting of walks in the second section of 2011 is especially good to see. It tells me that when he regained his lost velocity, he didn't sacrifice any control to do so. He's not broken, so let's hope the Rays training and pitching staff can figure out how to get Davis throwing 94 mph in his first start next year.
Taking a look at handedness splits, the situation gets even more interesting. We can see that when he first entered the league, Davis absolutely destroyed right handed hitters, striking them out more than ten times per nine innings. He was less effective against lefties, but still decent. Since then, though, he's actually been better at striking out lefties than righties, something I really didn't realize at the time. And while in 2010 and the first part of 2011, the increased strikeout rate against lefties was accompanied by a higher walk rate, by the end of 2011, Davis had almost stopped walking lefties entirely. This suggests that something has changed either in Wade Davis's stuff or his usage, and it will be the primary focus of Part II.
I'm not ready to chalk Wade Davis's flip flop in K% splits up to a deterioration or development of stuff or approach just yet, though. Over large sample sizes, past strikeout rate should be a better predictor of future strikeout rate than swinging strike percentage is, but we're not always dealing with those sample sizes here. The following graphs look at Wade Davis's swinging strike percentage (swinging strike/total pitches). I've separated pitches that came with two strikes from the rest of the sample, as the interaction between batter and pitcher changes a little bit once the count gets to two strikes. The value of a third strike is elevated above the other two and batters tend to expand their strike zone.
This is rather striking. In 2009, when a he got a hitter to two strikes, Wade Davis was really able to put him away with a third swinging strike. As time went by, he seems to have lost that ability, especially to right handed batters, where in the "Good" section of 2011, he actually got the third swinging strike at a worse rate than the other two swinging strikes.
I think this information is significant, but I don't actually know how. In the past, whenever I've looked at how the pitcher-batter matchup changes throughout the count, it's been from the batter's point of view. I found that for a given batter, the selection of pitchers throwing him pitches in pitcher's counts is liable to be better than the selction throwing him pitches in hitter's counts. I assume that the inverse of holds true, and that the group of batters to which Wade Davis threw two strike pitches is worse overall than the group to which he threw one and no strike pitches. I don't how much that accounts for, though. Here's what I think are the possible conclusions:
- SwStrike% with two strikes should not differ by much from SwStrike% on all pitches and any large difference is not predictive. The large discrepancy in 2009 caused us to overrate him in 2011, and possibly overrate his performance against left handed batters in the second part of 2011.
- SwStrike% with two strikes should be significantly higher than SwStrike% on all pitches, and the similarity between the two that Wade Davis displayed in the second part of 2011 to right handed batters is unlucky, and is depressing his true talent against those batters. In this case, we should expect him to improve.
- SwStrike% with two strikes is a skill, separate from SwStrike% in other counts. Perhaps it has to do with having a slider that "falls of the table" or a "knee-buckling" curve, or maybe with the trickery of sequencing. If this is the case, I think it's cause for worry, as it would indicate that either Wade Davis's pure stuff has deteriorated, or the league has figured him out to some degree.
Note: For those wondering at Wade Davis striking out more lefties than righties in the end of 2011, but having a lower swinging strike percentage. It's explained by his called strikes. He gets much more called strikes against lefties (from backdoor breaking balls, I assume - that's a Part II question).
To help explain what's going on with Wade Davis with two strikes, I also looked how many balls are being fouled off. Way back in 2007, Pizza Cutter did a great little investigation of foul balls. What he found is that for batters, foul ball percentage with two strikes has a positive correlation with contact percentage, while foul percentage with less than two strikes has a negative correlation. This means, roughly, that good contact hitters are able to make good contact when they swing with less than two strikes (the batter would rather the foul ball be a ball in play), but that once they get to two strikes, the foul becomes a tool to stay alive.
Flipping that around to the pitcher's point of view, I'm considering higher foul ball rates with less than two strikes and lower foul ball rates with two strikes as indications of increased "nastiness."
Sure enough, as time has gone by, Wade Davis has allowed more two strike pitches to be fouled off while the number fouled off with less than two strikes has remained similar (never as high as in those halcyon days of 2009). And the worst ration he's ever posted came in the section of 2011 that I've designated as "good." This doesn't give me all that much hope for Davis's return to rookie form.
Breaking it down by handedness, it's pretty clear that all those two-strike count swinging strikes Davis got in 2009 against righties have changed to fouls, and I don't personally see them switching back.
It's less clear against lefties, but once again, the overall trend is away from "nastiness."
Brief Conclusion to Long Post:
- From their low point in early 2011, Wade Davis's strikeout and walk ratios have improved, but they're not yet close to those of the budding star the Rays thought they had in 2009.
- Recently, and somewhat unexpectedly, Wade Davis has had more success (in terms of strikeout and walk rates) against lefties than against righties.
- In addition to his strikeout rate declining since 2009, Davis has also seen his swinging strike rate decline.
- That 2009 strikeout rate was fueled in part by a very high swinging strike rate on two-strike pitches. I am not entirely sure what to conclude from this, but I find it interesting. Possible contradictory conclusions are suggested in the article.
- Analysis of foul ball rates suggests that Wade Davis is not on the brink of turning a corner.
- For those interested in looking for themselves, here is the bulk of my data, separated into bins: Wade Davis Data
- A closer look at actual stuff and at sequencing is warranted.
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Are you going to look into what pitches he was throwing with two strikes?
Also, Wade Davis started throwing a cutter in late 2011. However, Fangraphs disagrees. What are they calling it?
Yeah, I'll look at what he's doing with two strikes.
I had heard about the cutter, but so far, I don’t see it.
If you told me it was real, and put a gun to my head.
I’d say that it was being called the slider, as there was a slight uptick in velocity in there. But there was an increase in velocity across the board, so my confidence is low.
So yeah, I’m not really sure.
Hrmm.
It might be in those fastballs straying to the right of 0. Some of them are in that range. Will be tough to isolate, though, especially with regard to early 2011 (the lost velocity overall makes it tough). Might have more success comparting to 2010.
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by Hatfield on Dec 15, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Whelk, I aslo mentioned it in a previous thread, but I am not sure if you saw it.
When the velocity is the same, what is your take on movement? Is it possible less movement can lead to more success? Davis’ fastball was wicked in 2009, but it had less movement back then.
Also, if Davis holds similar components to the ones he had in the good 2011, then he has a low 4s FIP.
I generally think that more movement is usually good.
But it’s a tricky thing to quantify, because a “neutral” pitch isn’t a pitch with zero spin deflection. That would look like a slider with great dive to it. Rather, the “neutral” pitch is probably more like a pedestrian four seam fastball with about 5 inches of run and 7-8 of rise (don’t quote me on this).
My guess is that it has to do with Davis not knowing what it was going to do, and having no command. Good call, though. I’ll check it out.
As for the low 4s FIP, my main concern is that the decrease in BB% at the end isn't sustainable.
But if he is actually redefining himself as a control artist, so much the better.
I also want to see more of how the change in his follow-through affects his results
Also think a move to the bullpen is inevitable if he remains here
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by Jason Collette on Dec 15, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Do you know the exact dates on the change?
Better yet, is there a transitional game where he gets it right sometimes and not others?
Might be interesting to chart it pitch by pitch and look at the movement.
I don't recall
I just remember noticing that he looked cleaner in September than he did in April. I’d have to go back and look at post-DL video to see if it happened earlier and I just didn’t notice


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by Jason Collette on Dec 15, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
btw, the cutter is quite evident there in those Sept 2011 pitches
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by Jason Collette on Dec 15, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Right so the main concern here is that even after his improvements in the 2nd half he still wasn't quite at the "not so good" levels of 2010
I believe Wade could potentially bounce back but I’ll take our other five starters over him, because he needs to bounce back to even be in the same category as them (above average starter), much less better than any of them.
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 15, 2011 10:21 AM EST reply actions
Also I'm honored to find my way into your article
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 15, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Any time.
And yeah, I’m still pretty much with you on this one. Looking closer has made me pessimistic, but there’s enough weirdness about him that I’m still interested.
He's definitely not a lost cause
But his 25th and 50th percentile performances are alarming I think
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 15, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
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beginning with his start on July 22, when the velocity came back (78 IP)
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 15, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
RJ Anderson pointed out on twitter that teams were packing their lineups with righties.
The percentage has climbed every year since 2009, though it may have dropped off at the end of 2011.
It seems like it might be a good idea based on what I found with strikeout and walk rates, but I’m not sure what would have caused teams to think to try, especially in 2010 and in early 2011. The usual “Danks Theory” pitchers, are guys with great changeups. Regardless, it’s an interesting find, and if it’s on purpose, it only reinforces the idea that teams are smart nowadays.
Danks Theory could technically be applied to any pitcher that thrives with a pitch that kills opposite handed batters.
I.e. Anything with vertical movement, like a changeup or curveball. So it does make sense to a degree, since his slider is not nearly as good a pitch as his curve. Still, I don’t know if I think Davis’ curve is so good as to warrant that treatment.
Also, awesome stuff Whelk. This piece is fabulous.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 15, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Off-season stuff is tough to pull off
We can certainly ask
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by Jason Collette on Dec 15, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
As maniac said, it’d be awesome. Of course, everything’s moot once he’s traded.
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 15, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Great stuff.
My one qualm is using SwSt% as swinging strikes out of all pitches. I much prefer to use it as merely pitches swung at. I think by using total pitches it undermines the idea of stuff because it is including pitches that are bad (if that makes sense).
For instance here’s the breakdown for swinging strikes/swings for the samples:
2009- 18.9%
2010- 14.2%
Bad 2011: 10.6%
Good 2011: 15.1%
So unlike the figures in your post, good 2011 was better at getting people to swing and miss (if they swung) than 2010. Now the questions is why weren’t they swinging as much?
That's a good point.
If the goal is to evaluate raw stuff, I think pitches swung at is the better denominator, but in terms of predicting overall success, I prefer all pitches.
I remember an article from a bit back about how getting people to chase outside the strikezone had a better correlation with K% than being able to miss bats inside the zone did.
Not sure which is more useful here. Really, showing both tells the story better.
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Use the force, Lueke
I wouldn't say they're an idiot,
but yeah, it’s still really early in Wade’s career.
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Incredible work Whelk!
This further confirms my suspicion to trade Niemann or Cobb this off season, and to hold on to Davis for depth in the bullpen. I’ve heard a lot of people abandoning ship and yelling Trade Davis, but he’s got upside in the pen.
Steve caught my attention when he pointed out velocity jumps in his brief bullpen outing. Davis might be expensive for a reliever in Tampa Bay, but that wouldn’t make him invaluable. If anything, it’d be nice to have a better long reliever than Sonny was.
I know we don’t necessarily need a long man, but it sure as heck could make Davis’s velocity problems better and provide more stability in the bullpen. (Dave Cameron might be on my side too)
Thanks.
I don’t want to move Davis to the pen quite yet, but with another season of more of the same, it really could be exciting. Mark Rzepczynski sure has thrived there, and I could see Davis being similarly valuable.
Davis reminds me more of Jim Johnson
who has also thrived in the pen after being meh as a starter.
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by ThreeRunHomer on Dec 15, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions

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