Too Patient?
We now have less than 68 days until pitchers and catchers report, so our long national past-time nightmare will not last as long as it already feels. The only thing that makes the off-season go by quicker are the research annuals put forth by different publishers and my two favorites are the 2012 Baseball Prospectus and The 2012 Baseball Forecaster from Ron Shandler and his team at BaseballHQ.com.
True story—the shelving unit I had in my closet that housed my copies of those books throughout the years actually collapsed last April from the weight. That unit contained both books dating back 10-plus years as well as Baseball Between the Numbers, and every issue of the Baseball America Prospect Handbook as well as John Sickels’ Minor League Handbook. Some people pass the offseason watching the NFL; I pass it reading a lot of baseball material.
What I enjoy most about these materials is finding research or player opinions within the books that lead to more self-reflection and investigation. Even after all of these seasons writing about baseball, I learn many new things each off-season. For example, if I were to ask you the correlation between pitches per plate appearance and batting average, you would likely postulate that the more pitches a batter sees, the higher their batting average likely is. Thanks to the work by BaseballHQ's Paul Petera, we know the opposite is true. His work has shown that the groups with the lowest pitches per plate appearance (P/PA) have the highest batting average. What was most interesting about Petera’s research is the following season, those batters that had a low P/PA total and a low batting average in year one showed a very strong likelihood of rebounding batting average while those with high P/PA and batting average showed a slightly stronger chance of a declining average in year two.
| Condition in Year 2 | BA Improved | BA Declined |
| Low P/PA & Low BA | 77% | 23% |
| High P/PA & High BA | 21% | 79% |
Batting average is far from the best category to judge a player's production, but it does tend to come into play when determining playing time. After all, a guy in a 5 for 40 slump is going to lose some playing time and a 9 for 78 start cost Dan Johnson his spot on the 25 man roster this past season.
Using the statistical engine over at Baseball Prospectus, I pulled the P/PA totals and batting averages for all hitters since 1988 that have had at least 300 plate appearances in a single season. Here are the total counts of each grouping of P/PA as well as the mean batting average for that group:
If we were to look at those numbers by range, here is how they break down:
For each of the past three seasons, the league average for pitches per plate appearances has been 3.8 while the major league-wide batting average has been between .255 and .262.
Most people typically look at batting average on balls in play when trying to quickly predict what a player's batting average will be the following season. The quick and easy theory of .290-.310 being the norm for hitters falls apart for some hitters that can come above that mark year after year as Ryan Howard did his first three seasons in the league while others come in below that mark as Casey Kotchman did for three straight seasons from 2008 to 2010. Still, the theory applies rather well to many hitters, but combining it with Petera's research that shows how P/PA are a strong leading indicator of predicting batting average success in year two would give us two quantitative ways to look at hitters rather than relying on deceiving eyes or gut feeling.
Here are the Rays hitters from last season (minimum 200 PA) from last season and their P/PA totals as well as their BABIP totals.
| BATTER | PA | P/PA | BABIP |
| Ben Zobrist | 674 | 4.0 | .310 |
| Johnny Damon | 647 | 4.0 | .284 |
| B.J. Upton | 640 | 3.9 | .298 |
| Evan Longoria | 574 | 3.9 | .239 |
| Casey Kotchman | 563 | 3.8 | .335 |
| Matt Joyce | 522 | 4.0 | .317 |
| Sean Rodriguez | 436 | 4.0 | .268 |
| Sam Fuld | 346 | 3.8 | .276 |
| Desmond Jennings | 287 | 4.1 | .303 |
| John Jaso | 273 | 4.1 | .244 |
| Reid Brignac | 264 | 3.7 | .254 |
| Kelly Shoppach | 253 | 4.0 | .212 |
Overall, the Rays were a very patient team as only Brignac was below league average in terms of pitches per plate appearance. In fact, the Rays tied with the Yankees for team P/PA average and both teams were just .03 behind the Red Sox. The lower P/PA total gives hope that Brignac's average will improve as does the fact he had a .317 BABIP in 2010 and saw that drop 63 points last season but to be fair, his average cannot get much worse than the .193 he hit last season. The rest of the team was on the high side of pitches per plate appearance and only Longoria stands out from a BABIP perspective.
If we consider 3.8 as the average and deviate 0.2 points either way to determine low and high P/PA totals, nobody falls in the low range while Zobrist, Joyce, Rodriguez, and Jennings are all on the high side which reduces their odds of seeing a batting average improvement.. Given that none of those guys hit any higher than .277 last season and each one of those players projects to be regulars, the team faces an uphill climb against the odds to raise its team batting average of .244 that was 14 points below league average and better than only Seattle last season. The correlation between P/PA and OBP works as well as one would expect as Petera's work shows that those with P/PA totals of 4.0 or higher had an average OBP of .360 compared to the .321 OBP for those with P/PA totals below 3.5. The informed Rays fan has watched this correlation play out the past several seasons as the team batting average has routinely been in the lower half of the league while the team's overall offensive production has been in the top half. 2012 could very well be a fifth year of that trend.
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OBP > BA
I still cant believe Longo has a .239 BABIP so unlucky
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
He went through a stretch where his power was a foot off and what looked like sure hits kept getting caught.
Evan never shows emotions but he was slamming his helmet, I think it was in that 16 inning game against Boston where he kept hitting to the wall.
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His BABIP was crap the second half of the year too though, when he was mashing homers left and right
I think it was bad luck more than anything
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 15, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
The point is, he was hitting very well but his BABIP still was bad
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 15, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I know.
But he was hitting well mainly because he was hitting homers. And probably because of that, his BABIP remained low.
so they don't affect BABIP at all. But if you're hitting homers you're making good, strong contact, which in theory would lead to more hits in general.
cmon maniac.
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*A devil's advocate point I don't actually believe
Home runs come on long fly balls (obv). Long fly balls that are not HRs are (almost always) outs. So long fly balls are categorically different than line drives, pop ups/short flies, and ground balls. Both the good and bad results of the latter three are included in BABIP, but only the bad results of long fly balls are included in BABIP. Thus, home run hitters tend to see lower BABIP.
Bullshit, or not bullshit? You decide…
Use the force, Lueke
No
I’m a disaster.
Okay, seriously, I know for a fact, I have never in my life, said Nick Punto is a good player.
Never. If you find me saying that, you can ban me.
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I'm banning everyone
Everybody’s fav Punto is prob a better option than EJ….
But yes, Coghlan would definatley be an upgrade over Elliot "I’m here to bunt but I’m not able to" Johnson
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by joeybw on Dec 5, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude
by Jason Collette on Dec 15, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I still like Coghlan fwiw as a cheap bench option
He shouldnt cost much to pry him from Florida errr Miami
by Dbullsfan on Dec 15, 2011 2:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Welp
Nick Punto is a good player….
by joeybw on Dec 15, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Use the force, Lueke
by nomoredevil on Dec 15, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's the most annoying thing about Upton
He doesn’t even give himself a chance. Too often, he will just watch strike 3 without moving the bat.
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if only he werent so lazy he would swing more
by Dbullsfan on Dec 15, 2011 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
100% Agree
Upton pisses me off a whole lot.
Upton goes off every now and then and pits up some juggernaut type #’s, and then you see him go out there and look disinterested/lazy and content with failure. Pathetic, he makes millions to play a game and he wastes an immense amount of talent when he takes “plays” off (Ala Randy Moss anyone?).
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 15, 2011 11:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
When Kotchman goes through a slump, it is bad luck.
When Upton goes through a slump, it is laziness.
by mr. maniac on Dec 16, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Interesting.
So, it’s not that the Rays target “inferior batters” who work the count, get on base, but rarely get hits. It’s that batters who work the count generally get on base but rarely get hits. That’s just the normal way for them (my perception was skewed by extreme cases like Youkilis who both work the count and get hits, I suppose). This helps me cast of my Rays’ offense inferiority complex.
Also, it’s crazy to see how much the players who don’t make the 300 PA cut drag down league AVG.
Also, it's worth noting that players that work the count more are typically power hitters.
And HRs don’t factor into BABIP.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 15, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, but yes, their BA is still lower as shown above.
So nevermind all that. #fail
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 15, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
You should look at K% along with Ba and P/PA
I think that might contribute to the way BA drops with more P/PA. If someone is averaging only 2.9 P/PA, they are clearly not striking out as much. I’m ball-parking it here, but I think if you line up the other data along with the corresponding K%; it will increase with P/PA, resulting in a decrease in BA.
This is the way I was looking at it also.
And not only are they striking out more, but a lot of their two strike swings are to protect the plate, so they are not driving the ball like they would with less than 2 strikes.
by Hipster Doofus on Dec 15, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I thought
That this post was about the FO not securing bats
by gatrmf on Dec 15, 2011 5:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You should run the whole league's P/PA compared to BABIP
It’s much more likely there’s a relationship between these two than P/PA and Average
BABIP by P/PA
2.9: .281
3.0: .280
3.1: .278
3.2: .280
3.3: .279
3.4: .275
3.5: .273
3.6: .274
3.7: .276
3.8: .269
3.9: .272
4.0: .270
4.1: .269
4.2: .262
4.3: .265
4.4: .259
4.5: .265
4.6: .262
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by Jason Collette on Dec 16, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
would ya look at that!
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
To help back up the "protect the plate" theory
You could compare batted ball rates (LD%. FB%, GB%) they should be relatively even if the players are taking the same “hack”. If LD% goes down it could suggest the batter just trying to get a piece of the ball and not strike out.
well babip isnt a good measire of offensive performance.
what’s wOBA by P/PA? i bet you’ll see the exact opposite.
Two suggestions that go in opposite directions:
2) Speaking from personal experience, I’ve always found it harder to make good contact if I’m taking a lot of pitches. If I’m in swing-happy mode, my contact is a lot more solid. It takes a lot of concentration and coordination to nail a pitch if I’ve only taken a swing or two all game. Here I’m suggesting that patience might cause low BA.
1) Hitters that know they suck at making good contact off mediocre-to-tough pitches might intentionally take a lot of pitches, hoping for a true cookie. Here I’m suggesting that naturally low-BA hitters will pursue patience.
Solid contact vs. Pitch count
Maybe something to reinforce/throw a wrench in the works for this whole bit (which is really interesting). Average pitch counts on all of the singles, doubles/triples, and homeruns across the league. Lower pitchcounts for the higher total base at bats should be the case given what’s been presented here. Mostly thought I’m interested in the dispairity between each kind of hit.

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