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The Anthony Rizzo Experience

SAN DIEGO, CA - SEPTEMBER 24: First baseman Anthony Rizzo #27 of the San Diego Padres collects himself after stretching to catch the ball and record the out during the fifth inning of the game against the Los Angeles Dodgers at Petco Park on September 24, 2011 in San Diego, California. (Photo by Kent C. Horner/Getty Images)

Let's start with the facts: the Rays would like to acquire a young first baseman this offseason. Ideally, this first baseman would be under team control for a number of years down the road, and would have valuable offensive upside as well. I say "ideally" because those sort of players can be difficult and costly to acquire, so it may be that the Rays end up settling for a less-than-perfect player -- someone with upside, but also with some question marks about their future.

As the free agent and trade markets have continued to settle, it looks like there are only a handful of teams out there that have an attractive young first baseman blocked by established talent: the Marlins (LoMo), Mets (Duda), and Padres (Rizzo, Blanks). The Marlins seem more and more loathe to unload Logan Morrison, though, as they want to make a run at the playoffs in 2012 and he's a valuable offensive player. The Mets could potentially unload Lucas Duda, as they desperately need pitching (and cheap, team controlled pitching at that), but Duda is cheap too and could always fit in the outfield somewhere. They don't need to make a deal.

The San Diego Padres, though....now there's an interesting team. The Padres have a glut of young first basemen after acquiring Yonder Alonso from the Reds, so it looks like they have instantly jumped to the top of the list of potential trade partners for the Rays.

In particular, the Padres have two first baseman that are worth looking at: Anthony Rizzo and Kyle Blanks.

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Anthony Rizzo

Originally selected by the Boston Red Sox in the sixth round of the 2007 draft, Rizzo has "rizzen" through the minor league ranks to become a top first base prospect. He was the key piece of the deal that sent Adrian Gonzalez to the Red Sox, and he was rated as the 75th best prospect in baseball by Baseball America prior to last season. Yes, that put him only two slots behind #73 Yonder Alonso.

But Rizzo and Alonso have since seen their stocks move in opposite directions. Alonso put up a .373 wOBA down in Triple-A, and then flourished in a brief stint in the majors at the end of the season (98 PA, .409 wOBA). Meanwhile, Rizzo crushed Triple-A pitching (.433 wOBA, .320 ISO), but couldn't get the handle on the majors in a midseason tryout (153 PA, .248 wOBA) and got re-demoted to the minors.

Don't go too ga-ga over Rizzo's Triple-A numbers; the league he was playing in notoriously inflates offense. But at the same time, it's difficult to ignore that he's a got a heck of a powerful bat (61 XBH in Triple-A in 2011) and he deserves another chance to prove himself in the majors (especially considering he's just 22 years old).

So when discussing Rizzo's trade value, we should assume that it's slightly less than Alonso's trade value. Both prospects were rated about the same going into 2011, and both players dominated in Triple-A. But Rizzo's struggles in the majors raised some question marks -- Does he strike out too much? Can he adjust? -- and the Padres now have limited leverage due to their depth at first base. He could be a bargain, relatively speaking.

The Cubs have already expressed lots of interest in Rizzo, though, and they appear to be trying to work out a deal for him that centers on Matt Garza. They appear to be the one thorn in the Rays' side, so I'm hoping the Padres decide they want a cheaper pitcher that will be under team control for longer.

Kyle Blanks

Anthony Rizzo may be the latest "first baseman of the future" tossed aside by the Padres, but he's by no means the first. Kyle Blanks was selected low in the 2004 draft (42nd round), but he displayed a considerable amount of power in the minors and was rated the Padres' top prospect back in 2009. He was only 22 years old then, but although he was given a couple opportunities in 2009-2011, he was never able to translate his success in the minors to the majors. After posting a strikeout rate above 30% in 300 plate appearances in the majors between 2009 and 2010, the Padres "replaced" Blanks by acquiring Anthony Rizzo from the Red Sox.

Blanks has primarily played in the outfield since 2009, but he was originally a first baseman. His power is still prodigious -- he has a .205 ISO at the major league level -- and he showed some signs of getting his strikeout rate under control last season (27% strikeout rate). He'll never hit for a high average, but his plate discipline and power could conceivably make up for that.

While not as attractive a player as Rizzo, Blanks would still make for an intriguing buy low option for the Rays. He would be cheaper to acquire, but he still has the upside to be a powerful, successful first baseman. He also has a bit more defensive flexibility than Rizzo, as he was around average in his stints in the outfield. Since Blanks is older and has been in the majors longer, though, he only has one more season of cost control left before entering arbitration.

Obviously I'd prefer for the Rays to target Rizzo, but if he doesn't happen, Blanks is far from a bad backup option. If nothing else, he would be quite cheap to acquire.

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They've said this? Where?
Let’s start with the facts: the Rays want to acquire a young first baseman this offseason.

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by sternfan1 on Dec 19, 2011 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

They haven't come out and said it, but we barely trust what they say publicly anyway.

Ideally, a young first baseman would be excellent considering the dearth of talent in the org. They have Joyce as a backup plan, allowing them to also target outfielders and be flexible in looking at targets, but I think ideal world, acquiring a first baseman of the future would be huge.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I've got the text message from Friedman.

You didn’t get that one?

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Doug09 on Dec 19, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't that be like buying high?

If his price is any bit inflated, I’m not really interested.

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose, but I'm not a huge fan.

I wouldn’t want to give up anything of value for him necessarily.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i would doubt youd have to

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by mattc286 on Dec 19, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i would doubt youd have to

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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 19, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Hey I’m a long time reader but first time poster. I enjoy reading the articles (most of them) and reading the discussions. Most of the people on here seem really knowledgable and I find their comments very informative. I’m assuming that Guzman would be easier to acquire and he might be the guy from SD that would provide the most impact for 2012, but it would be nice to get a young stud 1b prospect as well. Any thoughts?

by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 19, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome aboard!

I think most people here seem to be of the consensus Guzman’s probably overrated because of his unsustainable performance last year, and so he’d probably cost more in a trade than he’s worth, and that he isn’t that good anyways

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks guys for the welcoming

Do you agree that Guzman might be a better contributor to the 2012 Rays than Rizzo or Blanks? I think Alonso would be better but it seems the Pads are keeping him.

by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 19, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

id expect blanks to be better if healthy. hes probably the best bet to hit next year.

rizzo might outdo guzman next year, but if i made the move for him id probably want to start him in aaa just to see what needs work.

by rglass44 on Dec 19, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Guzman would definitely be the better option for the 2012 Rays after looking at the #s

Guzman 247 AB, 22 BB, 9SB, 30 XBH, .312 BA, .369 OBP, .478 SLG

Blanks 170 AB, 16 BB, 2 SB, 15 XBH, .229 BA, .300 OBP, .406 SLG

Guzman is only 2 years older, and he might take less talent to aqcuire, no? Any Thoughts?

by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 19, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Guzman would likely be cheaper

but he has way less upside. His performance last season is probably as good as it gets. Blanks has a crapload of power potential I would love for him to tap into as a Ray.

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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if last year is as good as it gets that isn't that bad is it?

I’m not against acquiring a young 1B prospect fo the long haul but I think Guzman would have a bigger impact in our lineup next year.

by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Possibly.

It’s not terrible. And he’ll probably be cheap, which is nice, but like with Kotchman, I don’t want to have to hope for the best possible scenario. I’d like the middleground to be good worthwhile, as well as the best case, and I’m afraid if Guzman isn’t as good as he was in 2011, he might not be worth keeping around.

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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

guzman would have had the highest wRC+ on the Rays last year.

No, it wasn’t sustainable, but he has quite a ways to drop.

by rglass44 on Dec 20, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

You need to take the long view.

Guzman was largely seen as a 4A player prior to last year while Blanks was putting up a career 108 wRC+. This is what people are talking about when they say you’re buying high on Guzman. You don’t trade for his 2011 because you’ll end up disappointed. That’s why I advocate trading for him only if he’s practically free.

by rglass44 on Dec 20, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this

I’m not saying trade for Guzman over Blanks or Rizzo because he is better but only if he comes without having to give up a top prospect.

by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 20, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What about other options from the Mets

Sure, Duda is a utility player who can fit just about anywhere, but ignoring him completely, they still have two young players who are above-average hitters who can’t play anywhere but first base – Ike Davis (preferable) and Daniel Murphy (still not bad and probably wouldn’t cost too much in return). The Mets need a huge upgrade at the back end of their rotation, and it seems like Davis could be a great acquisition target.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 19, 2011 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Let's not forget how Trumbo is gonna play 1B and they want to keep Morales also

Both those guys can be had, it’s just hard to match up with the Angels because their pitching staff is pretty awesome also.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The Angels

Unless blow away by an offer are going to keep Trumbo and Morales at least through most of spring training. They want to see a) if Trumbo can play 3B, and b) if Morales is healthy. Until they know the answer to both of those, they will likely not make a move.

by TheGrinch on Dec 19, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

And what if Trumbo can't play 3B and/or Morales isn't healthy

Then they are telling teams “we need to move these guys” and the value shoots down.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I believethat is a risk they are willing to take.

Right now they should focus on moving an OF (they will have to eat $$$$) to create room for Trout. Abreu is at $9M on the last year of his contract. Hunter also off at the end of the season but he’s $18M

by TheGrinch on Dec 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like Daniel Murphy, so I would be fine nabbing any of those three from the Mets.

The problem with them is that they need the cheap players right now just as bad as we do.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

So if we send them two cheap players for one, they might bite then?

Say, for instance, Ike Davis for Alex Cobb, Sam Fuld and a prospect? That seems to fill multiple holes for the Mets. Or alternatively, if we’re comfortable with Guyer as a starter, Matt Joyce and Jeff Niemann for Davis and a high upside arm who we can continue to develop in our minors for whom they don’t have that luxury (e.g., Jennry Meija or Pedro Beato). That second one still would need to be evened out a bit, but Joyce is a bit of a luxury for us at this point, might be a little overrated after his AS berth last year, and seems to be the type of player the Mets could really go for.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 19, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't touch Davis

Too many whispers about micro fracture surgery.

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by King Billy Royal on Dec 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Homophobic.

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by King Billy Royal on Dec 19, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it was extremely homophobic.

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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

just awful

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by pudieron89 on Dec 19, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Better option or better player?

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't believe you.

How is Joyce a better player than Davis?

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

lol 124 to 122

Davis has barely had over 1 season in the major leagues, and he’s 2.5 years younger than Joyce.

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

and he plays 1b, and he's coming off a bad injury.

he also has never shown the kind of power he did in an sss in the bigs this year.

by rglass44 on Dec 19, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay.

I think you’re being a serious homer right now, but okay.

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Zobrist has been better. People need to stop underrating his offense.

Joyce has been somewhat “sheltered” from LHP which undoubtedly would lower his numbers a little, but he’s style quite good.

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Zobrist was our most, maybe only consistent hitter last year

If he had slumps, they wouldn’t last a month (Longo) or 2 (Joyce), they would last a week.

A real 20/20 threat who has always been clutch and has great defense at 2B. That’s an awesome deal we have him signed to.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Zobrist had some pretty bad months

May and August were nothing to write home about.

Still, consistency is overrated because it’s basically worthless

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Just playing the devil's advocate here, but isn't 1B a position

you might want to develop on your own, based on how easy and cost effective it is to get these guys on a yearly basis who seem to produce. Pena and KJotch both did the job

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by sternfan1 on Dec 19, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Yes and no

I mean, we lucked out with Pena and Kotchman. But I’m not confident we can just competently fill the spot that way year in and year out. And don’t forget that both of those guys only got their shots after someone else we brought in similarly had already gotten hurt or flamed out.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 19, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Andrew will always listen to a trade he feels make the team better, but the beauty of him is

he never feels compelled to trade for a player or position. The Rays can easily sign a DH and first baseman who will help more in ’12 than Rizzo or any other raw rookie

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by sternfan1 on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

who?

who would that FA be?

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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Duda would be the best option

He has much more power than Alonso. Already proven at MLB level and much more polished and better floor than Rizzo. Duda hits for average, draw walks, and can hit 20-25 homers. I would love to get him. It shouldn’t cost too much to lure him as his RF defense is really bad and 1st base is already locked up by Ike Davis.

by Patrick Relano Kim on Dec 19, 2011 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

Possibly some cause for concern with his splits

aside from batting avg, everything worsened dramatically against lefties last season. Only 67 PA. Anyone know about his minor league splits?

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Murphy

Mets plan to play Murphy at second.

by MetsRaysFan on Dec 19, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Fun Fact

Rizzo’s 2011 MLB BABIP: .210

Alonso’s 2011 MLB BABIP: .387

I don’t think there’s any way the Padres don’t trade Rizzo. His AAA numbers aren’t gonna get any better then they were last year and he isn’t gonna have a chance to redeem himself with SD at the big league level because Alonso realistically can’t play anywhere else. The only reason they might keep him is if they have a hunch that Alonso will flop, but if they thought that, they wouldn’t have traded for him.

Also, PCL or not, there aren’t alot of 21 year olds who post the type of power numbers Rizzo did in AAA last year. That’s just a fact.

by punkfan39126 on Dec 19, 2011 1:26 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Well, Rizzo is not only very young, he went through 2 different extremes

The PCL and then Petco. I think some time in the minors and then the Trop will show great improvement in his bat and he already has the glove.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

In potential good news for the Rays

since I am sure I am not the only one who needs it right now…

Buster Olney tweets that the Rangers won the bid on Darvish. That would keep him out of the AL East.

Oh damn… please don’t sign Fielder now, Jays.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

That is good news

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by sternfan1 on Dec 19, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of the Jays

a 1B option that might fit with the Rays is David Copper (2011 PCL batting champ, for what its worth) He seems to be in a tough position in Toronto and i bet he would be cheaper than Rizzo, Alonso, Trumbo, Morales, Moreland, etc.

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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought of Cooper

His price is higher right away because it’s inner division.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

but how much higher

i cant imagine it being that much more costly…the guy has nowhere to play and is just rotting away in the PCL, he is already 24.

Another inter-division option, not that he is a better option, is Lars Anderson. He is just sitting in AAA also wasting away in the Red Sox system and he would be cheap.

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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

They need pitching a lot more than hitting.

Romero and Morrow can’t do start 162 games.

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Facing Morrow in Toronto is pretty fun

At least it was last year.

We simply can’t figure Romero out, it takes some errors to beat that guy. I think he pitched the 2nd to last series of the season along with Morrow. Morrow owned again on the road and the Jays beat Romero for us.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

This seems contradictory.

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

By saying I don't like Darvish, I am considering him a 2/3.

If they add a 2/3, they are a better team. Unless they have x amount to spend, and are determined to spend it, then this is a win for the Rays. And, as far as I have heard, the Jays don’t plan on spending x amount of money just for spending it.

by mr. maniac on Dec 19, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Is anyone else apprehensive about 1B prospects from the NL coming to the AL east?

Don’t most NL bats have a tough transition anyway? And Rizzo had a tough time coming from AAA to the bigs. Seems very risky. I would only think this is a good option if Kotchman is signed too.

by playjoyce on Dec 19, 2011 2:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

No.

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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Since he had minimal time in MLB, I'm not concerned about that.

If the guy has normally been referred to as a good hitter, I’m not concerned.

by mr. maniac on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

NL hitters' track records on the Rays are not so good.

Even when they are already established. If we were to bring Rizzo in and let him develop in our system, then that would be good, but to think he will have immediate impact next year is at least wishful thinking. Long term, Rizzo may work, but short term I am not ready to trust him over a proven commodity when we are fielding our best team ever in 2012.

by playjoyce on Dec 19, 2011 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That

Those years Benoit and Soriano were having are unrepeatable.

I like Joel and Kyle but damn, it was game over after the 7th.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see McGee being shut down

But I don’t see us ever having the quality of that 2010 pen.

The 2012 pen looks very solid but I mean Soriano, Benoit, Balfour, Choate, Wheeler…one of the other 2 was Sonny and I forgot the 7th, it wasn’t JP.

But even with those last 2, damn that was a strong pen. Right now, I don’t believe my own pipe dream of Andrew Bailey but if we did pair him with Kyle, Joel, McGee and Gomes, we can sure get close to 2010.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Farnsworth and Peralta arebad good if not better on the back end

Balfour has not been replaced, but the 2 new guys seem solid (character aside). Howell may get it together. Benoit and Peralta are similar. If not better, they are equivalent.

by playjoyce on Dec 19, 2011 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Benoit and Soriano probably had the 2 best years for any Rays reliever

And they did it in the same year. The offense had a good CC, a not so good Pena but he hit homers at least. Also, there was no Elliot, I only said that because no Elliot always makes a team better.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Choate had a pretty damn good year in 2010 also if I remember right.

And Wheeler was good for a while then I remember towards the end of the season, he fell in love with giving up the lead in 7th.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude CC was really really good

Like he was such a monster in all 3 facets of the game (hitting, running, fielding). His 2010 year here was the best non-Longoria season we’ve ever had from any player.

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Does RJ stick around if we won the WS in 2010?

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by pudieron89 on Dec 19, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think 2012 will be are best team ever either

I might be crazy but I still think that even if we stand pat (re-sign Damon and Kotch) I think we could win it all next year. We should get a full season of Longo without battling injuries for half the year and we will have Jennings for a full year. Also I have a feeling that Briggy will bounce back next year and S Rod will be better as well. If we keep Shields, than Moore will be replacing either Davis or Niemann which should be a very big upgrade.

by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 20, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Cliff Lee got a BS call in the 1st inning against Carlos Pena that led to a strike out.

Turning point of the game in the 1st inning. BS umpires. Kind of like some of the calls Shields got in the Saturday game this postseason.

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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It is what it is.

And the Shields game was not a ball/strike incident. It was a call about a player touching the ball with the bat that didn’t happen.

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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

We had Carl Crawford and Carlos Pena 2010

CC was so good. Like most people don’t realize how good he was. He was one of the 10 best players in baseball that year

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 20, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm

Bad Shields but near Cy Young Price, very strong year from Garza, Neimann was good until that injury. Neimann and these damn injuries…. Hellickson was 4-0 as a starter and Davis had a strong 2nd half and post season start. In fact, come to think of it, Davis has been very solid in the postseason in his short career.

The staff was pretty strong but Helly probably should of started instead of Shields.

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by joeybw on Dec 20, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Andrew Bailey + barton/carter/allen/kila

Rays have been interested in bailey recently

A’s have 4 1b types that could be had cheap

by MagicMike23 on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

seriously

I'm confused. Why is SandalsNoPants still posting?
shouldnt he have been banned by now?
by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

#DeathbyFreeZo

I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude

by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

over a year and half old

How do you always find a quote for everything?

Well here’s a new one: Barton sucks, he sucks at everything baseball except maybe taking a walk.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

True, he was 24 then

Another victim of the post-PED aging curve.

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 19, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

FreeZo is our accountability manager on the site

If you’ve said it, he’ll find it

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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

this is hilarious

i love that at any moment a quote from over 500 days old can haunt you…well played.

Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.

by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

especially if it's a dumb one.

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by pudieron89 on Dec 19, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

^David

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by sternfan1 on Dec 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I would rather have Cooper

he is cheap and he is young and he would be under team control for awhile. plus it is more fun to beat division rivals with their own players.

Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.

by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Pena > Kotch > Cooper > Lee

I do not want Lee and I put Kotch ahead of Cooper based on defense.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Cooper>Kotch>Pena>Lee

the age and the $$$ make me go for Cooper. Kotchman’s D is good and Pena and Lee are too old/expensive to get any real value

Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.

by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If we can afford Los, I want him.

He helps next year and a power bat behind Longoria? It worked with Pena behind Longoria in the past.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll take Pena

but even though I know batting avg isn’t everything, it was hard to stomach 2010. I’d like every regular starter to hit at least .225. Not too much to ask, I don’t think.

I'm confused. Why is SandalsNoPants still posting?
shouldnt he have been banned by now?
by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Shop and Jaso are gone

I personally see S-Rod breaking out so as far as AVG, you would just need Brignac to just sorta figure it out.

I don’t think Los will hit under 200 again, though.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

guess the players

I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude

by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

orange = kotch and blue = pena

I prob got both wrong and I have no clue on Green

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

hints

One plays in Tropicana Field while one has owned Tropicana Field in his career

I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude

by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

the ages

Is green Longo? and orange is Lee

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it's Ben Fransisco

He owned the Trop when Sonny pitched.

Not my real guess.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Jose Bautista

That huge jump in 1 year screams Bautista

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I give

Who is it?

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it won't

I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude

by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Damnit

My bad. I thought A-Rod has been pretty bad the last couple of years.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That's by age, not year.

So technically, a side by side of A-Rod and Evan from the last few years would probably favor Evan more. Still closer than you’d expect, though.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, that's what I wanted to see

Them compared since Evan entered the league. Evan seems much more of a threat than A-Rod these days.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it's no insult to Longoria

to say that he doesn’t quite match the career of an inner circle Hall of Famer who also happened to be ingesting truckloads full of steroids

by AndrewTorrez on Dec 19, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Blue is league average

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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, an idea of something that will never happen.

Would you guys trade the Yankees a pitcher for Nick Swisher? He owns the Trop and he can be put at 1B.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

i would

i would trade markel and archer. but yanks have to eat some salary.

Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.

by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yankees are weird about paying salary, too

just to give you another reason it won’t happen

by AndrewTorrez on Dec 19, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The two teams are never making a deal

You don’t deal with your direct competition

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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that some teams follow this but it's bad logic

Sure the consequences of a mistake might be amplified, but so too are the consequences of a win

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

The only time AF has made any kind of deal with BOS or NY was when this team was truly awful. As long as you’re within shooting range of one another, there is little to gain with trading even it if is mutually beneficial.

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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick Green to the Yankees 5/24/06

only move Friedman made with Cashman or Epstein from 05-07

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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh okay

I thought there was a move of significance I was forgetting

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Cost the Rays a WS though

terrible trade

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

There, Upton is staying

The Nats got their young CF. They signed 38 year old Mike Cameron.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

Cleveland was offering minor league deal

so maybe he’s getting a guaranteed one here?

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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

Only about 10yrs too late though lol

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

lastings milledge

is available i hear

Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.

by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

Wow really?

It will be fun listening to the Japanese commentators say his name

by Ben Tumbling on Dec 19, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

RASTING MIRRAGE SRIKE AGAIN!!!

"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu

by pudieron89 on Dec 19, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe we can win the bidding for his contract from the Sapporo Turkey Devils

"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu

by pudieron89 on Dec 19, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Settle Down Joey
The trick is to ignore rumors
by joeybw on Jul 31, 2011 10:18 AM PDT on 2011 Trade Deadline: So Much For That on DRaysBay

I have tried to ignore most of them since that Jason Bay trade.

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 19, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Got me again

props

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

More Thanksmas, less of this
Here, yet another rumor
by joeybw on Dec 9, 2008 10:44 AM PST on Winter Meetings Day Two Open Thread on DRaysBay

12:41pm: Marc Topkin heard chatter that the Rays and Cardinals are talking. Perhaps Ankiel or Ludwick could interest Tampa Bay.

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 19, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Outdoing yourself

Now the quotes are 3 years old.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm jewish dude

And I bet FreeZo can find a quote of me saying that.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I did find this
My signature is fucking gay and I listen to rumors too much
by joeybw on Dec 7, 2009 5:31 PM PST on Tampa Bay Rays Reportedly Interested In Roy Halladay; Wade Davis and B.J. Upton Possible Return? on DRaysBay

Remember Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez that got us hopeful and nothing happened? I need to talk about something else, Jake McGee for 2010 bullpen!

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by FreeZorilla on Dec 19, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I was a year early

But McGee does look awesome in the pen!

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

wow, this is just an awful thing to be caught saying.

"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu

by pudieron89 on Dec 19, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't read the comments but any comparisons for Rizzo?

Career arc projections?

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 19, 2011 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

He sorta feels like a Trumbo to me

Will develop into a lot of power but bad OBP due to lots of K’s.

Of course I could be way off.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

As far as athlete, Trumbo isn't bad there

If he walks, he can develop into better than Trumbo but seeing as right now, Canzler is our 1B, I wouldn’t mind a Trumbo at all.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That'd be my ideal scenario

Pena for 1yr would work, maybe even 2 if he could DH in 2013

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Damnit, those Abreu rumors are actually gaining some life

Do not want. Trumbo or Morales, please.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

2 for 2

Rays don’t only need a 1B, they need a 1B and a DH. So how about fililng both holes at once by trading Davis and Guyer for Rizzo and Blanks? or Rizzo and Guzman? or Blanks and Guzman?

Padres might like to put a real fielder in LF.

"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." - EW

by ThreeRunHomer on Dec 19, 2011 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

Rays aren't trading Guyer

There’s no way the team is giving up a cost-controlled 25-year-old OF whose actual value exceeds his trade value, even if the Rays weren’t facing an immediate hole in LF in 2013 after Upton leaves.

by AndrewTorrez on Dec 19, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If Guzman is the 2nd piece from the Padres

then Ruggiano might be enough to make the trade instead of Guyer.

I’m not certain the Rays have as high an opinion of Guyer as you do though.

We Americans are a peculiar people. We are for the underdog, no matter how much of a dog he is. - Happy Chandler

by ThreeRunHomer on Dec 19, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Gaby Sanchez for Davis

Marlins want to keep LoMo.They can move him to first base.

by gjsor on Dec 19, 2011 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

a $17MM pinch hitter?

oh, wait, only the Yankees can do something that preposterously stupid

by AndrewTorrez on Dec 19, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

We techinally can do it

Sign Fielder who for some reason took 17 million to sign with us, bench him for a day and have him pinch hit. Would that count?

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you give Fielder 2 years/40 million?

Hey, Prince, you can still be under 30 as a FA if you sign for 2 years and next time Pujols wont be on the market. Of course, Votto will… never mind.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Say good bye to Beltran

Rosenthal has him at 2-3 yrs $12.5mil per yr

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by sternfan1 on Dec 19, 2011 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

He may be hesitant to play in Canada and that hard a surface.

Think he would take less to play in Tampa on a much kinder turf grass. The team in play that scare me the most to sign Beltran is the Cards and I’m hoping they get involved with Fielder and his price tag to steer them away from him. That could bring Beltran back into the 10 million for 2 year deal(w/incentive option on a 3rd)

by budman3 on Dec 19, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what he's saying he would sign for

I guess the Phillies should’ve said bye to Jimmy Rollins too, they weren’t willing to give him a 5th year

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Mostly agree although Berkman is only signed for 1 year

Fielder would be a major step(and less money long term) to replace Pujols. BTW, Cards winning percentage with Pujols in the line-up during his career is .560…when not playing because of being on the DL…..476.

by budman3 on Dec 19, 2011 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

Fielder signing with the Cards gives them a clear run to the division, despite what the Reds have done, IMO

You would think that they have plenty of money that they would have used to sign Pujols back that they could put towards Fielder and far less when you know he won’t be getting near a 10 year deal.

by budman3 on Dec 19, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

One mans dream

Can we have a Christmas miracle and get Rizzo and Konerko or Helton?

by sinkhole on Dec 19, 2011 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

Rizzo and Konerko = awesome

Konerko can be 1B if Rizzo isn’t ready and he can DH if Rizzo is ready

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't have to give up too much for him

with the way the White Sox are trying to cut payroll. At least I hope not.

I'm confused. Why is SandalsNoPants still posting?
shouldnt he have been banned by now?
by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Money is what we would have to give up

The White Sox wouldn’t want much player wise, they want to get rid of that salary.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They may take back some money but it will still require one good prospect, IMO.

Especially when they would be trading away arguably, the White Sox most popular player.

by budman3 on Dec 19, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

At least Cobb

Plus the Sox are likely to clear plenty of money by moving Danks, Floyd and Quentin way before they ever consider Konerko

by budman3 on Dec 19, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish we could get Quentin...

Apparently he doesn’t like DH, though. And he sucks in the field. He’s kind of a douche which is cool, and he kinda gives you that awesome feeling like he could either hit a lot of home runs or get caught by the league for taking PED’s.

by Snarfalicious on Dec 19, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

How's his defense compared to Joyce?

Because we can always put Joyce at 1B while Rizzo spends his 3 years in Durham.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang it

Him or Konerko would be so awesome behind Evan but one wont DH and the other is way too pricey for us….

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Found this little tidbit on his defense... I smell a Gold Glove in his future.
Additionaly, while his defense was sub-par in ‘08 (-3.3 UZR), it’s fallen off a cliff since (-14.5 in ’09, -22.9 in ’10).

by Snarfalicious on Dec 19, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

good god

He sounds worse than Gomes.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Would they trade all of them?

We might have more fans than them next season if they do.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Man we are bored

241 comments (plus the other thread) about a minor leaguer on another team.

Can’t it be spring training already?

by Barnacles on Dec 19, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Rizzo would be our best hitter in the minors, though...

And we can talk about him for 3 years until he gets to the majors. Trading Rizzo doesn’t just give us a new shiny player for our prospect rankings, it gives us someone to clamor for for about 2-3 years!

by Snarfalicious on Dec 19, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh

It bothers me how right you might be.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Twitter world has given up on the 1B search

Now I see a bunch of people wanting Kotchman back.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

Kotch is fine if it's one year and 3 million(which I doubt)

But AF had better bring in a full time DH that is going to hit 25+ HR’s /90+RBI’s if the offense is going to add that extra one run a game they need. Rays have good pitching but the starters have also been fortunate to have remained healthy for the most part. Depth, or not, at some point they will need to score runs on a more consistent basis to get back to the play-offs, IMO.

by budman3 on Dec 19, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Friedman needs to do something exciting

The high of the Moore deal has wore off and wont come back til the season starts.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's bored, he should join the PSA open thread.

They love Rays fans! I’m trying to be civil, but I’m getting trolled left and right!

I'm confused. Why is SandalsNoPants still posting?
shouldnt he have been banned by now?
by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't realize it was that big of a deal.

I’m not offended when people say the Rays CAN’T buy players!

Am I the only one flagging this guy? 
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you being sarcastic?

Am I the only one flagging this guy? 
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

From WhatWouldJeterDo (this whole section of thread is deleted, btw)
Well, duh. Fans of other teams don’t get the same leeway on another team’s blog. That’s universal. I’m sure you can post that the Rays suck while they are losing and not get banned on DRB, but if I went there and said the same, I’d get ripped apart for being a troll.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 18, 2011 3:12 PM CST
You know very well what negative connotations there are to saying the Yankees buy players, buy championships, buy wins from the umpires and all that crap that non Yankee fans spew regularly. It’s all trolling when you do it on a Yankee blog.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 18, 2011 3:31 PM CST

Am I the only one flagging this guy? 
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh you did?

yeah, I tried explaining it. And I kept asking what the problem was and what was banable exactly and whatnot because I really didn’t know what was getting them so worked up. And here’s the original post that started it:


He just had the best year of his career
in the NLC after spending most of his career in the ALE. Surprised?
I’d probably make that deal that you mentioned if I’m the Yankees. Just go out and buy more players later.
this isn’t DRB 
you don’t get a free pass for acting like a douchebag. 
Derp 
by Pikachu on Dec 11, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 18, 2011 10:45 AM CST

Am I the only one flagging this guy? 
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

But the night before, I did try to pick their brains

as to why a fan of the Yankees would care about how much money they spend on players. Probably not the smartest thing to do, but the psychology of some fanbases is fascinating to me.

Am I the only one flagging this guy? 
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

PSA may not have overly excellent thought provoking statistical analysis, but it's a pretty good community

The commenters seem to be way more realistic and more like… well real people than OTM at least (not that that’s saying much).

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I like the community over there

most of them are fine. A few of them, though, hate just to hate. This place is ungodly boring at times, and PSA has been a good hangout.

Am I the only one flagging this guy? 
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Just got this. Maybe they need to crack down on their own people like DRB did.

You have been issued a warning.
Please do me a personal favor and try to ignore the members that arent too fond of fans from other blogs commenting at Pinstripe Alley. You certainly aren’t being fully civil yourself, and the disrespect towards Frank, who is a mod, was unnecessary. Please do not quote members of the blog in your sig, it will just stir up trouble. Thanks, and please just try to be a bit more respectful. -Brandon
In order to continue participating on Pinstripe Alley you must acknowledge your warning by pressing the OK button below.

Am I the only one flagging this guy? 
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you see him jump on the dresser?

Would 6 years 30 mill do it?. That may be the third best contract in Baseball in 3 years. He plays centerfield. He will get less then BJ’s next deal.

by sinkhole on Dec 19, 2011 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think that would cut it

He’s expecting to make more than Chapman.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That was the only skill Gathright had, his speed

This guy can do it all. Sure, he can be a bust but what Ray fan wouldn’t want that guy in our OF?

Some one loan Stu like 100 million and see what he does with it.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I've heard it'll take 40 to 50 million

At that point you’re better off with BJ

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

40 over how many years?

If that’s over 4, it wont get Upton.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

MLB Network talking about Latos trade

Mentioned possibly moving Rizzo, and all the highlights they shown were of him striking out.

by Hipster Doofus on Dec 19, 2011 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Another ace might be on the way out

Gio Gonzalez may be going to the Nats. I wish we could find out what the Reds really offered for Shields and if it came down to demanding Meso instead of Grandal. Not that it matters but I’m curious what we said no to.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

I think he was, for the same offer

But Rays don’t need Volquez and want Meso over Grandal and even the Reds have their limits. Of course, I don’t actually know…

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the price you pay to win

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 8:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I saw Peacock pitch this year with the Harrisburg Senators...

I really really like him. Really easy delivery that consistently was in that 93-96 range when I saw him against Altoona and his curve is filthy. The one time I saw him he was actually putting guys away with the change, which most considered the weakest of his repertoire.

by Snarfalicious on Dec 19, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

And there you go

Rangers win the bidding. No Darvish in the AL East.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

If any of the noise about Fielder doing a 3 yr deal to try again in 2014 is true

Toronto would be an ideal place for his bat

I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude

by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

say 3/60

If they bid $50M to talk to him, thrown in another 10 and let him pad his numbers in a homer heaven and try again at age 31 when some other big $$ teams have budgets again. His market is dry unless he wants $$ to go suffer in Seattle or go with what happens in Washington or Chicago.

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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

2 years/40 million

Does Stu shock the world and give Fielder that deal?

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by joeybw on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Not quite a sweet hitter's park here.

Am I the only one flagging this guy? 
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I definatley can see them throwing tons of money at Fielder

They have now missed out on Latos and Darvish. They might go crazy after Gio.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

This probably means no Davis for Moreland trade

and allows the Jays to thrown more cash to Fielder if necessary. Garza is no longer a option for the Rangers.

by rickrays on Dec 19, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

AA checklist my guess

1. Sign Fielder
2. Trade for Garza or Gio
3. Sign Beltran

Makes sense and doable and concerning.

by Ben Tumbling on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Good.

Am I the only one flagging this guy? 
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

a couple of moves that could work in the rays favor

Darvish signing with Texas probably takes them out of the fielder sweepstakes. If St. Louis decides to sign crisp instead of beltran, it increases the likelihood of the rays being able to sign Carlos pena or beltran. The fielder market decreased by one and the beltran market is on the verge of the same.

by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 19, 2011 11:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ah but the Darvish signing also removes a landing spot for one of our pitchers

And it also gives Toronto a bevy of money they can spend on proven MLB stars

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 20, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't be so sure

Brewers have such a tight budget this off season, they had to back load the A-Ram contract.

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by joeybw on Dec 19, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

If STL is going after Crisp, Beltran isn't going there

His options are drying up

I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude

by Jason Collette on Dec 20, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Toronto has a very loaded OF and they seem to like E5 at DH

Boston wants pitching, pitching and more pitching. I’m just saying Beltran isn’t impossible like a lot of people think.

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by joeybw on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just browsing the Mike Newman Chat over on Fangraphs, and he had this to say about a Rizzo/Lee trade (re-post)

Mike Newman:
This is a great segue to a piece I’m probably going to write tonight/tomorrow about "blocked" players being more myth than reality. Alonso will play because he is older and has had success at the big league level. Rizzo has plenty of value and may be flipped to fill another hole. I’m hearing the Rays are a possible match and it’s really a great fit. Good prospects are not normally traded for each other, but Hak-Ju Lee for Rizzo makes way too much sense for both clubs.

Comment From Thomas
Maybe I’m underselling Rizzo, but I think Friedman would have a good laugh about him for Lee straight up.

Mike Newman:
I’m not so sure. Lee is an exciting player, but didn’t hit a lick in double-A. Small sample size I know, but he’s not a guarantee and they definitely aren’t getting Rizzo for a guy like Beckham.

Comment From Dave
how can you quote positional scarcity on Grandal/Alonso but seem to ignore it on Hak Ju-Lee/Rizzo? Lee seems much more valuable for that reason alone

Mike Newman:
Because Lee has not proven he can hit upper level pitching. If he’s mashing AA at the 2012 MILB all-star break, then let’s pick this up, but a .250/.300/.350 SS at the big league level is Alcides Escobarish. it’s not ALL about ceiling. Rizzo is a year or so older than Lee and has had plenty of success at every level. His 153 MLB PA’s were trash, but keep things in perspective.

I like his chats and he tends to donate lots of his time to them. The chat is still up so head over there if you want to pick his brain.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mike-newman-prospects-chat-122011/

by MakeitRayn on Dec 20, 2011 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

Rizzo is over-rated

We’ve got another highly regarded now ex-prospect from the PCL who had lots of offensive success that has fallen short of expectations. (S-Rod) Since Rizzo is a better player than Rodriguez was projected to be, that should make his major league debut (terrible) even more unexcusable. Don’t Trade Lee for Rizzo!

by Moorewinsplease on Dec 21, 2011 1:07 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think anyone here would trade Lee would

Might be what the Padres want but it wont happen.

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by joeybw on Dec 21, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

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