The Anthony Rizzo Experience
Let's start with the facts: the Rays would like to acquire a young first baseman this offseason. Ideally, this first baseman would be under team control for a number of years down the road, and would have valuable offensive upside as well. I say "ideally" because those sort of players can be difficult and costly to acquire, so it may be that the Rays end up settling for a less-than-perfect player -- someone with upside, but also with some question marks about their future.
As the free agent and trade markets have continued to settle, it looks like there are only a handful of teams out there that have an attractive young first baseman blocked by established talent: the Marlins (LoMo), Mets (Duda), and Padres (Rizzo, Blanks). The Marlins seem more and more loathe to unload Logan Morrison, though, as they want to make a run at the playoffs in 2012 and he's a valuable offensive player. The Mets could potentially unload Lucas Duda, as they desperately need pitching (and cheap, team controlled pitching at that), but Duda is cheap too and could always fit in the outfield somewhere. They don't need to make a deal.
The San Diego Padres, though....now there's an interesting team. The Padres have a glut of young first basemen after acquiring Yonder Alonso from the Reds, so it looks like they have instantly jumped to the top of the list of potential trade partners for the Rays.
In particular, the Padres have two first baseman that are worth looking at: Anthony Rizzo and Kyle Blanks.
Anthony Rizzo
Originally selected by the Boston Red Sox in the sixth round of the 2007 draft, Rizzo has "rizzen" through the minor league ranks to become a top first base prospect. He was the key piece of the deal that sent Adrian Gonzalez to the Red Sox, and he was rated as the 75th best prospect in baseball by Baseball America prior to last season. Yes, that put him only two slots behind #73 Yonder Alonso.
But Rizzo and Alonso have since seen their stocks move in opposite directions. Alonso put up a .373 wOBA down in Triple-A, and then flourished in a brief stint in the majors at the end of the season (98 PA, .409 wOBA). Meanwhile, Rizzo crushed Triple-A pitching (.433 wOBA, .320 ISO), but couldn't get the handle on the majors in a midseason tryout (153 PA, .248 wOBA) and got re-demoted to the minors.
Don't go too ga-ga over Rizzo's Triple-A numbers; the league he was playing in notoriously inflates offense. But at the same time, it's difficult to ignore that he's a got a heck of a powerful bat (61 XBH in Triple-A in 2011) and he deserves another chance to prove himself in the majors (especially considering he's just 22 years old).
So when discussing Rizzo's trade value, we should assume that it's slightly less than Alonso's trade value. Both prospects were rated about the same going into 2011, and both players dominated in Triple-A. But Rizzo's struggles in the majors raised some question marks -- Does he strike out too much? Can he adjust? -- and the Padres now have limited leverage due to their depth at first base. He could be a bargain, relatively speaking.
The Cubs have already expressed lots of interest in Rizzo, though, and they appear to be trying to work out a deal for him that centers on Matt Garza. They appear to be the one thorn in the Rays' side, so I'm hoping the Padres decide they want a cheaper pitcher that will be under team control for longer.
Kyle Blanks
Anthony Rizzo may be the latest "first baseman of the future" tossed aside by the Padres, but he's by no means the first. Kyle Blanks was selected low in the 2004 draft (42nd round), but he displayed a considerable amount of power in the minors and was rated the Padres' top prospect back in 2009. He was only 22 years old then, but although he was given a couple opportunities in 2009-2011, he was never able to translate his success in the minors to the majors. After posting a strikeout rate above 30% in 300 plate appearances in the majors between 2009 and 2010, the Padres "replaced" Blanks by acquiring Anthony Rizzo from the Red Sox.
Blanks has primarily played in the outfield since 2009, but he was originally a first baseman. His power is still prodigious -- he has a .205 ISO at the major league level -- and he showed some signs of getting his strikeout rate under control last season (27% strikeout rate). He'll never hit for a high average, but his plate discipline and power could conceivably make up for that.
While not as attractive a player as Rizzo, Blanks would still make for an intriguing buy low option for the Rays. He would be cheaper to acquire, but he still has the upside to be a powerful, successful first baseman. He also has a bit more defensive flexibility than Rizzo, as he was around average in his stints in the outfield. Since Blanks is older and has been in the majors longer, though, he only has one more season of cost control left before entering arbitration.
Obviously I'd prefer for the Rays to target Rizzo, but if he doesn't happen, Blanks is far from a bad backup option. If nothing else, he would be quite cheap to acquire.
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They've said this? Where?
Let’s start with the facts: the Rays want to acquire a young first baseman this offseason.
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They haven't come out and said it, but we barely trust what they say publicly anyway.
Ideally, a young first baseman would be excellent considering the dearth of talent in the org. They have Joyce as a backup plan, allowing them to also target outfielders and be flexible in looking at targets, but I think ideal world, acquiring a first baseman of the future would be huge.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I guess if you just toss "ideally" in there, it makes more sense.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I've got the text message from Friedman.
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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Wouldn't that be like buying high?
If his price is any bit inflated, I’m not really interested.
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose, but I'm not a huge fan.
I wouldn’t want to give up anything of value for him necessarily.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 19, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Hey I’m a long time reader but first time poster. I enjoy reading the articles (most of them) and reading the discussions. Most of the people on here seem really knowledgable and I find their comments very informative. I’m assuming that Guzman would be easier to acquire and he might be the guy from SD that would provide the most impact for 2012, but it would be nice to get a young stud 1b prospect as well. Any thoughts?
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 19, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome aboard!
I think most people here seem to be of the consensus Guzman’s probably overrated because of his unsustainable performance last year, and so he’d probably cost more in a trade than he’s worth, and that he isn’t that good anyways
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks guys for the welcoming
Do you agree that Guzman might be a better contributor to the 2012 Rays than Rizzo or Blanks? I think Alonso would be better but it seems the Pads are keeping him.
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 19, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
id expect blanks to be better if healthy. hes probably the best bet to hit next year.
rizzo might outdo guzman next year, but if i made the move for him id probably want to start him in aaa just to see what needs work.
I think Guzman would definitely be the better option for the 2012 Rays after looking at the #s
Guzman 247 AB, 22 BB, 9SB, 30 XBH, .312 BA, .369 OBP, .478 SLG
Blanks 170 AB, 16 BB, 2 SB, 15 XBH, .229 BA, .300 OBP, .406 SLG
Guzman is only 2 years older, and he might take less talent to aqcuire, no? Any Thoughts?
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 19, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Guzman would likely be cheaper
but he has way less upside. His performance last season is probably as good as it gets. Blanks has a crapload of power potential I would love for him to tap into as a Ray.
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Even if last year is as good as it gets that isn't that bad is it?
I’m not against acquiring a young 1B prospect fo the long haul but I think Guzman would have a bigger impact in our lineup next year.
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Possibly.
It’s not terrible. And he’ll probably be cheap, which is nice, but like with Kotchman, I don’t want to have to hope for the best possible scenario. I’d like the middleground to be good worthwhile, as well as the best case, and I’m afraid if Guzman isn’t as good as he was in 2011, he might not be worth keeping around.
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
guzman would have had the highest wRC+ on the Rays last year.
No, it wasn’t sustainable, but he has quite a ways to drop.
You need to take the long view.
Guzman was largely seen as a 4A player prior to last year while Blanks was putting up a career 108 wRC+. This is what people are talking about when they say you’re buying high on Guzman. You don’t trade for his 2011 because you’ll end up disappointed. That’s why I advocate trading for him only if he’s practically free.
I agree with this
I’m not saying trade for Guzman over Blanks or Rizzo because he is better but only if he comes without having to give up a top prospect.
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 20, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
What about other options from the Mets
Sure, Duda is a utility player who can fit just about anywhere, but ignoring him completely, they still have two young players who are above-average hitters who can’t play anywhere but first base – Ike Davis (preferable) and Daniel Murphy (still not bad and probably wouldn’t cost too much in return). The Mets need a huge upgrade at the back end of their rotation, and it seems like Davis could be a great acquisition target.
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Let's not forget how Trumbo is gonna play 1B and they want to keep Morales also
Both those guys can be had, it’s just hard to match up with the Angels because their pitching staff is pretty awesome also.
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Whoops, forgot the Angels for some reason...good call.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
The Angels
Unless blow away by an offer are going to keep Trumbo and Morales at least through most of spring training. They want to see a) if Trumbo can play 3B, and b) if Morales is healthy. Until they know the answer to both of those, they will likely not make a move.
And what if Trumbo can't play 3B and/or Morales isn't healthy
Then they are telling teams “we need to move these guys” and the value shoots down.
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I believethat is a risk they are willing to take.
Right now they should focus on moving an OF (they will have to eat $$$$) to create room for Trout. Abreu is at $9M on the last year of his contract. Hunter also off at the end of the season but he’s $18M
I really like Daniel Murphy, so I would be fine nabbing any of those three from the Mets.
The problem with them is that they need the cheap players right now just as bad as we do.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
So if we send them two cheap players for one, they might bite then?
Say, for instance, Ike Davis for Alex Cobb, Sam Fuld and a prospect? That seems to fill multiple holes for the Mets. Or alternatively, if we’re comfortable with Guyer as a starter, Matt Joyce and Jeff Niemann for Davis and a high upside arm who we can continue to develop in our minors for whom they don’t have that luxury (e.g., Jennry Meija or Pedro Beato). That second one still would need to be evened out a bit, but Joyce is a bit of a luxury for us at this point, might be a little overrated after his AS berth last year, and seems to be the type of player the Mets could really go for.
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I wouldn't touch Davis
Too many whispers about micro fracture surgery.
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by King Billy Royal on Dec 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Homophobic.
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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
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by King Billy Royal on Dec 19, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not so much homophobic just a little insecure in the manhood. JK
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 19, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
No, it was extremely homophobic.
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Better option or better player?
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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe you.
How is Joyce a better player than Davis?
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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
lol 124 to 122
Davis has barely had over 1 season in the major leagues, and he’s 2.5 years younger than Joyce.
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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
and he plays 1b, and he's coming off a bad injury.
he also has never shown the kind of power he did in an sss in the bigs this year.
Okay.
I think you’re being a serious homer right now, but okay.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Zobrist has been better. People need to stop underrating his offense.
Joyce has been somewhat “sheltered” from LHP which undoubtedly would lower his numbers a little, but he’s style quite good.
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Zobrist was our most, maybe only consistent hitter last year
If he had slumps, they wouldn’t last a month (Longo) or 2 (Joyce), they would last a week.
A real 20/20 threat who has always been clutch and has great defense at 2B. That’s an awesome deal we have him signed to.
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Zobrist had some pretty bad months
May and August were nothing to write home about.
Still, consistency is overrated because it’s basically worthless
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Just playing the devil's advocate here, but isn't 1B a position
you might want to develop on your own, based on how easy and cost effective it is to get these guys on a yearly basis who seem to produce. Pena and KJotch both did the job
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Yes and no
I mean, we lucked out with Pena and Kotchman. But I’m not confident we can just competently fill the spot that way year in and year out. And don’t forget that both of those guys only got their shots after someone else we brought in similarly had already gotten hurt or flamed out.
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That actually strengthens my case. Pena and Kotch were signed as insurance policies and still flourished
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I think Andrew will always listen to a trade he feels make the team better, but the beauty of him is
he never feels compelled to trade for a player or position. The Rays can easily sign a DH and first baseman who will help more in ’12 than Rizzo or any other raw rookie
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by sternfan1 on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
who?
who would that FA be?
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Duda would be the best option
He has much more power than Alonso. Already proven at MLB level and much more polished and better floor than Rizzo. Duda hits for average, draw walks, and can hit 20-25 homers. I would love to get him. It shouldn’t cost too much to lure him as his RF defense is really bad and 1st base is already locked up by Ike Davis.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Dec 19, 2011 1:02 PM EST reply actions
Possibly some cause for concern with his splits
aside from batting avg, everything worsened dramatically against lefties last season. Only 67 PA. Anyone know about his minor league splits?
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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Fun Fact
Rizzo’s 2011 MLB BABIP: .210
Alonso’s 2011 MLB BABIP: .387
I don’t think there’s any way the Padres don’t trade Rizzo. His AAA numbers aren’t gonna get any better then they were last year and he isn’t gonna have a chance to redeem himself with SD at the big league level because Alonso realistically can’t play anywhere else. The only reason they might keep him is if they have a hunch that Alonso will flop, but if they thought that, they wouldn’t have traded for him.
Also, PCL or not, there aren’t alot of 21 year olds who post the type of power numbers Rizzo did in AAA last year. That’s just a fact.
by punkfan39126 on Dec 19, 2011 1:26 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Well, Rizzo is not only very young, he went through 2 different extremes
The PCL and then Petco. I think some time in the minors and then the Trop will show great improvement in his bat and he already has the glove.
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BABIP is BABIP is BABIP, yah?
Well, there are minor exceptions. But still.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
In potential good news for the Rays
since I am sure I am not the only one who needs it right now…
Buster Olney tweets that the Rangers won the bid on Darvish. That would keep him out of the AL East.
Oh damn… please don’t sign Fielder now, Jays.
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speaking of the Jays
a 1B option that might fit with the Rays is David Copper (2011 PCL batting champ, for what its worth) He seems to be in a tough position in Toronto and i bet he would be cheaper than Rizzo, Alonso, Trumbo, Morales, Moreland, etc.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
but how much higher
i cant imagine it being that much more costly…the guy has nowhere to play and is just rotting away in the PCL, he is already 24.
Another inter-division option, not that he is a better option, is Lars Anderson. He is just sitting in AAA also wasting away in the Red Sox system and he would be cheap.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
They need pitching a lot more than hitting.
Romero and Morrow can’t do start 162 games.
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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Facing Morrow in Toronto is pretty fun
At least it was last year.
We simply can’t figure Romero out, it takes some errors to beat that guy. I think he pitched the 2nd to last series of the season along with Morrow. Morrow owned again on the road and the Jays beat Romero for us.
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This seems contradictory.
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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
By saying I don't like Darvish, I am considering him a 2/3.
If they add a 2/3, they are a better team. Unless they have x amount to spend, and are determined to spend it, then this is a win for the Rays. And, as far as I have heard, the Jays don’t plan on spending x amount of money just for spending it.
Is anyone else apprehensive about 1B prospects from the NL coming to the AL east?
Don’t most NL bats have a tough transition anyway? And Rizzo had a tough time coming from AAA to the bigs. Seems very risky. I would only think this is a good option if Kotchman is signed too.
by playjoyce on Dec 19, 2011 2:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No.
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by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Since he had minimal time in MLB, I'm not concerned about that.
If the guy has normally been referred to as a good hitter, I’m not concerned.
NL hitters' track records on the Rays are not so good.
Even when they are already established. If we were to bring Rizzo in and let him develop in our system, then that would be good, but to think he will have immediate impact next year is at least wishful thinking. Long term, Rizzo may work, but short term I am not ready to trust him over a proven commodity when we are fielding our best team ever in 2012.
by playjoyce on Dec 19, 2011 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If all of the pitching remains, the staring rotation and bullpen are better. what makes the lineup in 2010 better?
CC?
by playjoyce on Dec 19, 2011 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That
Those years Benoit and Soriano were having are unrepeatable.
I like Joel and Kyle but damn, it was game over after the 7th.
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I miss that bullpen too. But I hope
by playjoyce on Dec 19, 2011 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can see McGee being shut down
But I don’t see us ever having the quality of that 2010 pen.
The 2012 pen looks very solid but I mean Soriano, Benoit, Balfour, Choate, Wheeler…one of the other 2 was Sonny and I forgot the 7th, it wasn’t JP.
But even with those last 2, damn that was a strong pen. Right now, I don’t believe my own pipe dream of Andrew Bailey but if we did pair him with Kyle, Joel, McGee and Gomes, we can sure get close to 2010.
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Farnsworth and Peralta arebad good if not better on the back end
Balfour has not been replaced, but the 2 new guys seem solid (character aside). Howell may get it together. Benoit and Peralta are similar. If not better, they are equivalent.
by playjoyce on Dec 19, 2011 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"as good" not arebad. Stinking Apple
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Benoit and Soriano probably had the 2 best years for any Rays reliever
And they did it in the same year. The offense had a good CC, a not so good Pena but he hit homers at least. Also, there was no Elliot, I only said that because no Elliot always makes a team better.
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Choate had a pretty damn good year in 2010 also if I remember right.
And Wheeler was good for a while then I remember towards the end of the season, he fell in love with giving up the lead in 7th.
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Dude CC was really really good
Like he was such a monster in all 3 facets of the game (hitting, running, fielding). His 2010 year here was the best non-Longoria season we’ve ever had from any player.
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Does RJ stick around if we won the WS in 2010?
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I don't think 2012 will be are best team ever either
I might be crazy but I still think that even if we stand pat (re-sign Damon and Kotch) I think we could win it all next year. We should get a full season of Longo without battling injuries for half the year and we will have Jennings for a full year. Also I have a feeling that Briggy will bounce back next year and S Rod will be better as well. If we keep Shields, than Moore will be replacing either Davis or Niemann which should be a very big upgrade.
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 20, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously I meant talent wise but that 2010 team was pretty damn talented
We just couldn’t figure out Cliff Lee.
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Cliff Lee got a BS call in the 1st inning against Carlos Pena that led to a strike out.
Turning point of the game in the 1st inning. BS umpires. Kind of like some of the calls Shields got in the Saturday game this postseason.
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ball/Strike disputes seem pointless
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 20, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
It is what it is.
And the Shields game was not a ball/strike incident. It was a call about a player touching the ball with the bat that didn’t happen.
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by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
We had Carl Crawford and Carlos Pena 2010
CC was so good. Like most people don’t realize how good he was. He was one of the 10 best players in baseball that year
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 20, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
Bad Shields but near Cy Young Price, very strong year from Garza, Neimann was good until that injury. Neimann and these damn injuries…. Hellickson was 4-0 as a starter and Davis had a strong 2nd half and post season start. In fact, come to think of it, Davis has been very solid in the postseason in his short career.
The staff was pretty strong but Helly probably should of started instead of Shields.
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Andrew Bailey + barton/carter/allen/kila
Rays have been interested in bailey recently
A’s have 4 1b types that could be had cheap
Ugh, I wish Barton would start getting censored by this site, he's just not good at all
Maybe Allen…
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seriously
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The Right to Censor
Barton is def the most feared hitter to me
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And the guy is in extreme pain every time he swings
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over a year and half old
How do you always find a quote for everything?
Well here’s a new one: Barton sucks, he sucks at everything baseball except maybe taking a walk.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
this is hilarious
i love that at any moment a quote from over 500 days old can haunt you…well played.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
especially if it's a dumb one.
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Bailey is overpriced but I would definitely be interested in Kila, and maybe some of the others
Kila seems like Kevin Youkilis-lite
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
So Davis Copper is a better 1B option for the Rays than Lee, Kotch or Los?
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I would rather have Cooper
he is cheap and he is young and he would be under team control for awhile. plus it is more fun to beat division rivals with their own players.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Pena > Kotch > Cooper > Lee
I do not want Lee and I put Kotch ahead of Cooper based on defense.
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Cooper>Kotch>Pena>Lee
the age and the $$$ make me go for Cooper. Kotchman’s D is good and Pena and Lee are too old/expensive to get any real value
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
If we can afford Los, I want him.
He helps next year and a power bat behind Longoria? It worked with Pena behind Longoria in the past.
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I'll take Pena
but even though I know batting avg isn’t everything, it was hard to stomach 2010. I’d like every regular starter to hit at least .225. Not too much to ask, I don’t think.
I'm confused. Why is SandalsNoPants still posting?
shouldnt he have been banned by now?
by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I really think the Rays are quietly thinking Derek Lee
He was his old self in PIT till injured
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Well Shop and Jaso are gone
I personally see S-Rod breaking out so as far as AVG, you would just need Brignac to just sorta figure it out.
I don’t think Los will hit under 200 again, though.
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I never said Cooper.
Lee is just a really bad option. As a backup plan, he is fine. I don’t want him as the opening day 1B.
I don't think you'll be hering much of anything in regards to that, honestly.
I'm confused. Why is SandalsNoPants still posting?
shouldnt he have been banned by now?
by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
hints
One plays in Tropicana Field while one has owned Tropicana Field in his career
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's Ben Fransisco
He owned the Trop when Sonny pitched.
Not my real guess.
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Matt Joyce and Nick Swisher is the correct answer
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Can you compare Evan and A-Rod since Evan came into the league, please?
I think that will make me smile.
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No, it won't

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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
That's by age, not year.
So technically, a side by side of A-Rod and Evan from the last few years would probably favor Evan more. Still closer than you’d expect, though.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 19, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, that's what I wanted to see
Them compared since Evan entered the league. Evan seems much more of a threat than A-Rod these days.
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yeah, it's no insult to Longoria
to say that he doesn’t quite match the career of an inner circle Hall of Famer who also happened to be ingesting truckloads full of steroids
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 19, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
that jump screams moving to Yankee Stadium :)
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Our own Jhonny Nunez was in that deal
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Blue is league average
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, an idea of something that will never happen.
Would you guys trade the Yankees a pitcher for Nick Swisher? He owns the Trop and he can be put at 1B.
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i would
i would trade markel and archer. but yanks have to eat some salary.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yankees are weird about paying salary, too
just to give you another reason it won’t happen
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 19, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
The two teams are never making a deal
You don’t deal with your direct competition
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I understand that some teams follow this but it's bad logic
Sure the consequences of a mistake might be amplified, but so too are the consequences of a win
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's mutually beneficial if you're on different spots on the win curve.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/to-trade-or-not-to-trade-within-the-divison/
I don’t see the Yankees trading with the Rays until one of the two has hit a decline, bad logic or no.
Exactly
The only time AF has made any kind of deal with BOS or NY was when this team was truly awful. As long as you’re within shooting range of one another, there is little to gain with trading even it if is mutually beneficial.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Err remind me what you're referring to please?
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Green to the Yankees 5/24/06
only move Friedman made with Cashman or Epstein from 05-07
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Oh okay
I thought there was a move of significance I was forgetting
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Cost the Rays a WS though
terrible trade
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
There, Upton is staying
The Nats got their young CF. They signed 38 year old Mike Cameron.
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Is it a ML Deal or unknown yet?
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by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Cleveland was offering minor league deal
so maybe he’s getting a guaranteed one here?
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
Only about 10yrs too late though lol
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by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Minor league deal per Rosenthal
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, not an insane signing then
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by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
lastings milledge
is available i hear
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Wow really?
It will be fun listening to the Japanese commentators say his name
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 19, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
RASTING MIRRAGE SRIKE AGAIN!!!
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maybe we can win the bidding for his contract from the Sapporo Turkey Devils
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by pudieron89 on Dec 19, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Settle Down Joey
The trick is to ignore rumors
by joeybw on Jul 31, 2011 10:18 AM PDT on 2011 Trade Deadline: So Much For That on DRaysBay
I have tried to ignore most of them since that Jason Bay trade.
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More Thanksmas, less of this
Here, yet another rumor
by joeybw on Dec 9, 2008 10:44 AM PST on Winter Meetings Day Two Open Thread on DRaysBay
12:41pm: Marc Topkin heard chatter that the Rays and Cardinals are talking. Perhaps Ankiel or Ludwick could interest Tampa Bay.
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His Christmas wish is going to be stripping the search feature out of your account
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I did find this
My signature is fucking gay and I listen to rumors too much
by joeybw on Dec 7, 2009 5:31 PM PST on Tampa Bay Rays Reportedly Interested In Roy Halladay; Wade Davis and B.J. Upton Possible Return? on DRaysBay
Remember Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez that got us hopeful and nothing happened? I need to talk about something else, Jake McGee for 2010 bullpen!
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wow, this is just an awful thing to be caught saying.
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Didn't read the comments but any comparisons for Rizzo?
Career arc projections?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
He sorta feels like a Trumbo to me
Will develop into a lot of power but bad OBP due to lots of K’s.
Of course I could be way off.
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As far as athlete, Trumbo isn't bad there
If he walks, he can develop into better than Trumbo but seeing as right now, Canzler is our 1B, I wouldn’t mind a Trumbo at all.
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Wouldn't be surprised if the Rays are able to get both Rizzo & a 1yr stopgap
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
That'd be my ideal scenario
Pena for 1yr would work, maybe even 2 if he could DH in 2013
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Rizzo draws 2x the BBs
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Lou Gehrig Jr
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damnit, those Abreu rumors are actually gaining some life
Do not want. Trumbo or Morales, please.
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looks like a duck struggling to stay above water
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 19, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I think that chart looks like a duck struggling to stay above water
but I do not want Abreu.
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I'd rather have Damon back with his whole clubhouse value being the difference maker
Abreu’s OPS vs LHP:
2008: .865
2009: .735
2010: .639
2011: .598
He stopped being useful against lefties 2 seasons ago
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I know no one around here thinks clutch or momentum is real
but Damon seemed to get hits at the right time many times last season.
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2 for 2
Rays don’t only need a 1B, they need a 1B and a DH. So how about fililng both holes at once by trading Davis and Guyer for Rizzo and Blanks? or Rizzo and Guzman? or Blanks and Guzman?
Padres might like to put a real fielder in LF.
"I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn't going to win any more games by being anything else." - EW
Rays aren't trading Guyer
There’s no way the team is giving up a cost-controlled 25-year-old OF whose actual value exceeds his trade value, even if the Rays weren’t facing an immediate hole in LF in 2013 after Upton leaves.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 19, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
If Guzman is the 2nd piece from the Padres
then Ruggiano might be enough to make the trade instead of Guyer.
I’m not certain the Rays have as high an opinion of Guyer as you do though.
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by ThreeRunHomer on Dec 19, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Gaby Sanchez for Davis
Marlins want to keep LoMo.They can move him to first base.
I think that's the Rays' fallback plan
uninspiring though it is
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 19, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell are we going to trade for then?
A 3rd baseman? A centerfielder?
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
a $17MM pinch hitter?
oh, wait, only the Yankees can do something that preposterously stupid
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 19, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
We techinally can do it
Sign Fielder who for some reason took 17 million to sign with us, bench him for a day and have him pinch hit. Would that count?
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if we could get Fielder for $17MM, I'd be for it
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 19, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Would you give Fielder 2 years/40 million?
Hey, Prince, you can still be under 30 as a FA if you sign for 2 years and next time Pujols wont be on the market. Of course, Votto will… never mind.
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Say good bye to Beltran
Rosenthal has him at 2-3 yrs $12.5mil per yr
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He may be hesitant to play in Canada and that hard a surface.
Think he would take less to play in Tampa on a much kinder turf grass. The team in play that scare me the most to sign Beltran is the Cards and I’m hoping they get involved with Fielder and his price tag to steer them away from him. That could bring Beltran back into the 10 million for 2 year deal(w/incentive option on a 3rd)
That's what he's saying he would sign for
I guess the Phillies should’ve said bye to Jimmy Rollins too, they weren’t willing to give him a 5th year
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Mostly agree although Berkman is only signed for 1 year
Fielder would be a major step(and less money long term) to replace Pujols. BTW, Cards winning percentage with Pujols in the line-up during his career is .560…when not playing because of being on the DL…..476.
That's not the best way to do analysis but hot damn that's a stark difference
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Fielder signing with the Cards gives them a clear run to the division, despite what the Reds have done, IMO
You would think that they have plenty of money that they would have used to sign Pujols back that they could put towards Fielder and far less when you know he won’t be getting near a 10 year deal.
They were very fortunate to make the playoffs this year *with* Pujols, and they still didn't win the division
Fielder is no guarantee although it tips the scales in their favor somewhat
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
One mans dream
Can we have a Christmas miracle and get Rizzo and Konerko or Helton?
Rizzo and Konerko = awesome
Konerko can be 1B if Rizzo isn’t ready and he can DH if Rizzo is ready
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Wouldn't have to give up too much for him
with the way the White Sox are trying to cut payroll. At least I hope not.
I'm confused. Why is SandalsNoPants still posting?
shouldnt he have been banned by now?
by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Money is what we would have to give up
The White Sox wouldn’t want much player wise, they want to get rid of that salary.
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They may take back some money but it will still require one good prospect, IMO.
Especially when they would be trading away arguably, the White Sox most popular player.
Have them eat 5.5 million, make it 20 mil over 2 years
Who do you think we would have to trade?
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At least Cobb
Plus the Sox are likely to clear plenty of money by moving Danks, Floyd and Quentin way before they ever consider Konerko
I wish we could get Quentin...
Apparently he doesn’t like DH, though. And he sucks in the field. He’s kind of a douche which is cool, and he kinda gives you that awesome feeling like he could either hit a lot of home runs or get caught by the league for taking PED’s.
by Snarfalicious on Dec 19, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
How's his defense compared to Joyce?
Because we can always put Joyce at 1B while Rizzo spends his 3 years in Durham.
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If wearing a glove qualifies as playing defense, he is golden
Otherwise, it’s miserable.
Found this little tidbit on his defense... I smell a Gold Glove in his future.
Additionaly, while his defense was sub-par in ‘08 (-3.3 UZR), it’s fallen off a cliff since (-14.5 in ’09, -22.9 in ’10).
by Snarfalicious on Dec 19, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Would they trade all of them?
We might have more fans than them next season if they do.
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Man we are bored
241 comments (plus the other thread) about a minor leaguer on another team.
Can’t it be spring training already?
Rizzo would be our best hitter in the minors, though...
And we can talk about him for 3 years until he gets to the majors. Trading Rizzo doesn’t just give us a new shiny player for our prospect rankings, it gives us someone to clamor for for about 2-3 years!
by Snarfalicious on Dec 19, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Here is our middle of the order stick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kREZHmOR1bg
Yoenis Cespedes vid put together by his agents. This thing is a peice of work.
Looked like a lot of those swings came off HS pitchers though.
Major league pitchers await.
Twitter world has given up on the 1B search
Now I see a bunch of people wanting Kotchman back.
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Kotch is fine if it's one year and 3 million(which I doubt)
But AF had better bring in a full time DH that is going to hit 25+ HR’s /90+RBI’s if the offense is going to add that extra one run a game they need. Rays have good pitching but the starters have also been fortunate to have remained healthy for the most part. Depth, or not, at some point they will need to score runs on a more consistent basis to get back to the play-offs, IMO.
Well, Friedman needs to do something exciting
The high of the Moore deal has wore off and wont come back til the season starts.
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If he's bored, he should join the PSA open thread.
They love Rays fans! I’m trying to be civil, but I’m getting trolled left and right!
I'm confused. Why is SandalsNoPants still posting?
shouldnt he have been banned by now?
by Yankees10 on Dec 18, 2011 4:00 PM CST
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't realize it was that big of a deal.
I’m not offended when people say the Rays CAN’T buy players!
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Are you being sarcastic?
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
From WhatWouldJeterDo (this whole section of thread is deleted, btw)
Well, duh. Fans of other teams don’t get the same leeway on another team’s blog. That’s universal. I’m sure you can post that the Rays suck while they are losing and not get banned on DRB, but if I went there and said the same, I’d get ripped apart for being a troll.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 18, 2011 3:12 PM CST
You know very well what negative connotations there are to saying the Yankees buy players, buy championships, buy wins from the umpires and all that crap that non Yankee fans spew regularly. It’s all trolling when you do it on a Yankee blog.
Jesus Montero fangirl
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Dec 18, 2011 3:31 PM CST
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ya I saw most of it.
The facts are the facts.
Oh you did?
yeah, I tried explaining it. And I kept asking what the problem was and what was banable exactly and whatnot because I really didn’t know what was getting them so worked up. And here’s the original post that started it:

He just had the best year of his career
in the NLC after spending most of his career in the ALE. Surprised?
I’d probably make that deal that you mentioned if I’m the Yankees. Just go out and buy more players later.
this isn’t DRB you don’t get a free pass for acting like a douchebag. Derp by Pikachu on Dec 11, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 18, 2011 10:45 AM CST
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
But the night before, I did try to pick their brains
as to why a fan of the Yankees would care about how much money they spend on players. Probably not the smartest thing to do, but the psychology of some fanbases is fascinating to me.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
PSA may not have overly excellent thought provoking statistical analysis, but it's a pretty good community
The commenters seem to be way more realistic and more like… well real people than OTM at least (not that that’s saying much).
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I like the community over there
most of them are fine. A few of them, though, hate just to hate. This place is ungodly boring at times, and PSA has been a good hangout.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Just got this. Maybe they need to crack down on their own people like DRB did.
You have been issued a warning.
Please do me a personal favor and try to ignore the members that arent too fond of fans from other blogs commenting at Pinstripe Alley. You certainly aren’t being fully civil yourself, and the disrespect towards Frank, who is a mod, was unnecessary. Please do not quote members of the blog in your sig, it will just stir up trouble. Thanks, and please just try to be a bit more respectful. -Brandon
In order to continue participating on Pinstripe Alley you must acknowledge your warning by pressing the OK button below.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
respect their authoritay!
I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude
by Jason Collette on Dec 20, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see him jump on the dresser?
Would 6 years 30 mill do it?. That may be the third best contract in Baseball in 3 years. He plays centerfield. He will get less then BJ’s next deal.
Joey Gathright can jump a car
Want to give him 6/30?
That was the only skill Gathright had, his speed
This guy can do it all. Sure, he can be a bust but what Ray fan wouldn’t want that guy in our OF?
Some one loan Stu like 100 million and see what he does with it.
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I've heard it'll take 40 to 50 million
At that point you’re better off with BJ
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MLB Network talking about Latos trade
Mentioned possibly moving Rizzo, and all the highlights they shown were of him striking out.
Another ace might be on the way out
Gio Gonzalez may be going to the Nats. I wish we could find out what the Reds really offered for Shields and if it came down to demanding Meso instead of Grandal. Not that it matters but I’m curious what we said no to.
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Wow. No reason for Beane to not take home with some prospect gold.
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 19, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Derek Norris, Sammy Solis, A.J. Cole are names off my head
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 19, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily all of them are involved, just that those are the attractive ones
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 19, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Clippard could be a possible piece
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he was, for the same offer
But Rays don’t need Volquez and want Meso over Grandal and even the Reds have their limits. Of course, I don’t actually know…
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It's the price you pay to win
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Dec 19, 2011 8:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I saw Peacock pitch this year with the Harrisburg Senators...
I really really like him. Really easy delivery that consistently was in that 93-96 range when I saw him against Altoona and his curve is filthy. The one time I saw him he was actually putting guys away with the change, which most considered the weakest of his repertoire.
by Snarfalicious on Dec 19, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Coco Crisp to sign with Cardinals?
Might not need Beltran then would they?
Now there's no chance of us acquiring profar in a trade
god dammit
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Rays/Rangers play 9 times in 2012
6 games after 8/26
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Now watch Toronto get mad and buy Fielder, Beltran, Edwin Jackson
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 19, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
If any of the noise about Fielder doing a 3 yr deal to try again in 2014 is true
Toronto would be an ideal place for his bat
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
There is 0 chance of this happening (unless it's via opt out clause a la CC)
None. Zilch.
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 19, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
say 3/60
If they bid $50M to talk to him, thrown in another 10 and let him pad his numbers in a homer heaven and try again at age 31 when some other big $$ teams have budgets again. His market is dry unless he wants $$ to go suffer in Seattle or go with what happens in Washington or Chicago.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
where is this noise coming from?
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 19, 2011 11:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gammons had tweeted out on Friday or so that Fielder may consider doing a short deal in a sweet hitter's park
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by Jason Collette on Dec 20, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Not quite a sweet hitter's park here.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 20, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Because nobody will ever pitch to him there...no need to
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by Jason Collette on Dec 20, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I definatley can see them throwing tons of money at Fielder
They have now missed out on Latos and Darvish. They might go crazy after Gio.
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This probably means no Davis for Moreland trade
and allows the Jays to thrown more cash to Fielder if necessary. Garza is no longer a option for the Rangers.
AA checklist my guess
1. Sign Fielder
2. Trade for Garza or Gio
3. Sign Beltran
Makes sense and doable and concerning.
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Good.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 19, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
a couple of moves that could work in the rays favor
Darvish signing with Texas probably takes them out of the fielder sweepstakes. If St. Louis decides to sign crisp instead of beltran, it increases the likelihood of the rays being able to sign Carlos pena or beltran. The fielder market decreased by one and the beltran market is on the verge of the same.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 19, 2011 11:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ah but the Darvish signing also removes a landing spot for one of our pitchers
And it also gives Toronto a bevy of money they can spend on proven MLB stars
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 20, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I would think the Brewers can outbid the Rays for Pena
Beltran isn’t coming to Tampa Bay.
Don't be so sure
Brewers have such a tight budget this off season, they had to back load the A-Ram contract.
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If STL is going after Crisp, Beltran isn't going there
His options are drying up
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by Jason Collette on Dec 20, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Toronto has a very loaded OF and they seem to like E5 at DH
Boston wants pitching, pitching and more pitching. I’m just saying Beltran isn’t impossible like a lot of people think.
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I was just browsing the Mike Newman Chat over on Fangraphs, and he had this to say about a Rizzo/Lee trade (re-post)
Mike Newman:
This is a great segue to a piece I’m probably going to write tonight/tomorrow about "blocked" players being more myth than reality. Alonso will play because he is older and has had success at the big league level. Rizzo has plenty of value and may be flipped to fill another hole. I’m hearing the Rays are a possible match and it’s really a great fit. Good prospects are not normally traded for each other, but Hak-Ju Lee for Rizzo makes way too much sense for both clubs.
Comment From Thomas
Maybe I’m underselling Rizzo, but I think Friedman would have a good laugh about him for Lee straight up.
Mike Newman:
I’m not so sure. Lee is an exciting player, but didn’t hit a lick in double-A. Small sample size I know, but he’s not a guarantee and they definitely aren’t getting Rizzo for a guy like Beckham.
Comment From Dave
how can you quote positional scarcity on Grandal/Alonso but seem to ignore it on Hak Ju-Lee/Rizzo? Lee seems much more valuable for that reason alone
Mike Newman:
Because Lee has not proven he can hit upper level pitching. If he’s mashing AA at the 2012 MILB all-star break, then let’s pick this up, but a .250/.300/.350 SS at the big league level is Alcides Escobarish. it’s not ALL about ceiling. Rizzo is a year or so older than Lee and has had plenty of success at every level. His 153 MLB PA’s were trash, but keep things in perspective.
I like his chats and he tends to donate lots of his time to them. The chat is still up so head over there if you want to pick his brain.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mike-newman-prospects-chat-122011/
Where did the Rizzo/Lee rumors come from?
by Snarfalicious on Dec 20, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Oh...
In that case:
Padres get: EJ and Howell
Rays get: Rizzo
by Snarfalicious on Dec 20, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Rizzo is over-rated
We’ve got another highly regarded now ex-prospect from the PCL who had lots of offensive success that has fallen short of expectations. (S-Rod) Since Rizzo is a better player than Rodriguez was projected to be, that should make his major league debut (terrible) even more unexcusable. Don’t Trade Lee for Rizzo!
by Moorewinsplease on Dec 21, 2011 1:07 AM EST reply actions
I don't think anyone here would trade Lee would
Might be what the Padres want but it wont happen.
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