The Rays Tank: Rumors Rumors Rumors Edition
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 26, 2011 10:43 AM EST
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Now that we've all successfully gorged ourselves on holiday delights -- I may not eat for the next five days -- we might as well participate in another form of holiday excess: rumor mongering. In case you don't feel guilty enough for all the fatty, unhealthy things you just ate, let's hopefully speculate about things that may or may not happen:
- A couple days ago, the Rays were linked in a rumor to Jorge Posada. They are apparently one of a handful of teams interested in signing Posada, but according to Marc Topkin, he would be a backup plan for the Rays in case their other pursuits fall through. Although note: Topkin doesn't appear to be speaking from an inside source, but merely expressing his opinion and analysis of the rumor.
I don't disagree with Topkin, as I'm not sure that Posada would really make the most sense for the Rays. He had a .309 wOBA last season, and although he still displayed some pop (.163 ISO), he seems like a middling option for a DH/Utility player. If we're talking about bringing in Posada, the Rays might as well just resign Johnny Damon, as he's younger than Posada and likely to be more productive. - The Rays have apparently talked with Francisco Cordero. He would be a decent option in the bullpen, but considering he'll likely command more money due to his 37 saves in 2011, I don't see the Rays ending up with him. His ERA may have been shiny last season (2.45 ERA), but his peripheral stats make him look like a more middle of the 'pen sort of guy (4.02 FIP, 3.91 SIERA).
- Here's a depressing note on Joel Zumaya: "An AL GM on Joel Zumaya: 'Our doctors don't think he would pass the physical based on what they see.'" That's just one team and who knows what the Rays' medical team thinks, but it's not encouraging to say the least.
- In happier news, Anthony Rizzo hasn't been traded and Luke Scott is still a free agent. So hope is still alive.
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Posada catching could be masked with having him only catch starts by Shields when a RHP is on the mound
That’s if Shields is comfortable throwing to Posada who had his issues with a few pitchers in NYY
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by Jason Collette on Dec 26, 2011 10:55 AM EST reply actions
No way
The 2 guy I want to see Molina catch for the most are Shields and Helly. Hellickson will start getting the border line calls that Jaso and Shop didn’t get him and can you imagine the Shields/Molina duo? Hey guy at first, run, I dare ya.
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if we sign him i want him only as a 1B/DH and EMERGENCY catcher.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
I agree
But I would love to get him to sign for what Manny did last year because that would be worth the risk, especially since I believe that Jorge is capable of getting in great shape and pulling off a kind of Berkman light season. I just hope he isn’t looking for the 8 mil Puma got last year from STL.
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 26, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
If you dare i just put up a fanpost on why Posada is right for the Rays
follow me on twitter @sternfan10
The happiest guy on the Rays might be Gomes
What is it, 2 AB’s of Gomes vs Posada? I believe he has a HR and 6 RBI in those 2 AB’s
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Gomes probably dreams about it almost as much as you do
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
I just don't see Posada coming to the Rays for a minimal salary
Didn’t he just make like 15 mil? He is a HOFer in my book and I think he would just retire before coming to TB. Damon would be just as good if not better and he seems like he really likes it here, just bring him back and try to uprade at 1b.
All depends on if he still loves the game.
He’s made enough money for many generations of his family to come. If he still loves playing baseball then i see no reason he wouldn’t play for the league minimum.
by Peter Piontek on Dec 26, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Only way i'm in on Posada is on a Milb deal with invite to camp.
Just resign Damon and hope we find a 1B somewhere in the Davis or Neimann deal.
He would definatly retire long before a minor league deal
I’m in the Damon and trade for a 1B camp. Might have to get 2 1B if one of them is Rizzo, I can’t see the Rays putting him right in the majors, everyone needs to learn “the Rays way” for like 5 years…
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I agree with this.
If we get Rizzo then he would surely spend time at Durham. I’d love to trade for Rizzo and give Pena 2 years 20 million to play 1B.
by Peter Piontek on Dec 26, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
2 years..
I guess he can DH that 2nd year, I was hoping for just a little AF magic to get him for 1 year.
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are you convinced 2010 is the outlier?
I don’t have any confidence that Pena is going to be a valuable hitter at age 35.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 26, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
He will never repeat 2007 but he wont repeat 2010 either
He’s like .230 – .245 hitter but he hits bombs and I always liked him protecting Longoria. I’m sure he can handle Shields rocket pick off moves too.
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he hit .225 last year
on the heels of .196 and .227. I don’t see any confidence to project him in the .230-.245 range. He obviously has his batting eye and strength, but if his bat speed slips just a bit he could be completely unplayable as early as next year.
I don’t know that I would want Pena back for 1/10, sad as it makes me to say that.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 26, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I am. I think he's going to play great defense and provide 25 homers.
i think he’s a .225 but will draw walks and is a great clubhouse guy. he’s a better option then D Lee.
by Peter Piontek on Dec 26, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
bleargh
“a better option than D Lee” is the definition of “damning with faint praise.”
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 26, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Heh
He’s better than Barton!
No but I wouldn’t mind Los coming back for 1 year, the 2nd year does worry me a bit because it is true that he can lose his bat speed anytime now. He probably has another 2 or 3 productive years left in him but I would love a 1 year deal.
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Barton
Not the best option out there, but better than what we have. I’m willing to cut him some slack as last year’s numbers were likely the result of a shoulder injury. He is only 26 IIRC is solid defensively and “if the price is right” I would be willing to take a chance on him. Just be sure there is a plan ‘B’
I do not understand the Barton movement.
The Rays have DH and 1B open. Simply get the best hitter(s) available and plug them in. Good defense from a first baseman is a luxury not a mandate. This team was willing to trot Damon out to left field last year for Christ sake.
by Moore Guerreri and Cheese on Dec 26, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
We would have to sign him before we trade for Rizzo if we do indeed do both.
I don’t think he inks a 2 year deal when he knows we just trade for very soon to be long term 1B.
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Pena just turned down 1/12 from CHI in arb didn't he?
So unless he values playing for a contender more and that’s why he declined than the Rays might have a shot at maybe the same deal. But I think they would have to at least have a mutual option for a second year or maybe even gauranteed to get Pena back here. Unless he really missed it here and really wants to play for Joe Ma again.
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 26, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
it's about years
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 26, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Posada makes no sense as a bench player
He’s not under consideration as a starting 1B or DH, so the roster looks like this:
Cs Molina, Lobaton
1B TBD
2B Zobrist
SS Brignac, S. Rod
3B Longoria
LF Jennings
CF Upton
RF Joyce
DH TBD
OF Fuld, Guyer
That’s a full bench right there, and it still leaves Russ Canzler in Durham looking to repeat as MVP of the International League and Elliot Johnson bouncing around to some other organization not awash in shortstops.
There isn’t space to replace Elliot Johnson as a backup SS AND still sign both a DH and a 1B. If Posada comes here, he’s going to push someone like Guyer off the roster, and I don’t see an argument that Posada is a better player than Guyer or even Fuld right now.
Posada can't catch, he never could catch
And that is a pretty big hole that no one even mentions. Molina has always been a back up, he sure doesn’t look built to be the normal starter so we really don’t even have a starting C either, its not just 1B and DH. I mean, unless we have a lot of faith in Lobaton/Chirinos. Joe loves Lobaton but both seem to be made of glass.
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yeah, I just don't get it
I’m going with “talking point to drive down Luke Scott’s asking price.”
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 26, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
How much better is Scott than Damon honestly?
Scott has 20 HR potential IF healthy but Damon hit 16 last year. Neither are great against lefties but Damon holds his own and both should only be at DH but Scott wants to be an OF’er while Damon doesn’t mind. Is it that much of an upgrade?
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20 HRs is a lock for Scott if he is 100% healthy
20 HRs is a dream for Damon
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by Jason Collette on Dec 26, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
At this point I’d be happy with similar production from Damon this year at DH, as pedestrian as he was last year. Same at 1B w/ Kotch. Kind of a bummer but whatever.
by punkfan39126 on Dec 26, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I'd bring Damon back, I don't know about Kotch.
Someone like the Indians is going to throw money at him and I don’t know if he can repeat last season which while the AVG and defense is nice, Longoria can’t hit all the homers himself until September when Johnson hits a walk off.
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Eye surgery
You guys don’t give much weight to the eye surgery thing, do you? Why wouldn’t you think he could repeat 2011 if it was the eye surgery that cured most of his problems?
He could repeat it
I don’t think it was nearly as good as Statts and Anderson made it seem though. Nice average, good defense. However, very little pop, too many ground balls that he got lucky the defense didn’t get too because he’s a double play waiting to happen and he wasn’t too good to end the year.
I understand the idea of having the same offense with maybe the best rotation in baseball doesn’t sound that bad but I really think we need an upgrade at 1B and/or DH.
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batted ball profiles
GB/LD/FB were nearly identical to last season. Outcomes were just different – that’s where the pessimism comes in.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 26, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Scott is a career .271/.357/.507 hitter versus right-handers
Because Scott has a more pronounced platoon split, that makes him potentially more valuable if used correctly — particularly on a team with three viable lefty-mashing bench players (Guyer, Canzler, S-Rod). Scott’s a less complete player because he needs to be platooned, but I think he has the most offensive upside of any remaining FA.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 26, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Target a good hitter for DH via trade (Quentin)
I’m fine with getting Scott if AF is unable to get a better bat via trade.
joyce to 1B, done
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
We have all thought this but can he play 1st?
nobody knows
by Peter Piontek on Dec 26, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
it's been said multiple times that he's taking reps at 1B this offseason.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
I'd love it if he can play a decent 1st base.
problem would be solved.
by Peter Piontek on Dec 26, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Still, Zo did that last year and played 0 games at 1B
Joyce will be, at most, an emergency 1B
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no no no
Zobrist is a talented defender at a difficult defensive position. he would be wasted at 1B. Joyce is an average to below average RF and we have a surplus of OF, and he has the bat to stick at 1B. think before you type joey.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
What are you talking about?
Why would I WANT Zobrist at 1B? I am just saying that it doesn’t mean Joyce will be our 2012 1B just because he’s taking reps there, Zobrist did for 2011 and didn’t play 1 game at 1B, S-Rod became the emergency 1B. I think Joyce is staying in RF, with the occasional trips to LF and DH.
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your logic is that because Zobrist did it as an emergency backup plan, joyce's is also. not sound logic. not surprising, but still i'd expect you to understand what I'm saying here.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
Yes, Zo is a great defender and Joyce is average at best
And I stand my ground that neither will be at 1B this year.
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no one is arguing Zobrist should be 1B, learn to read.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
You are a very angry person
Joyce is an EMERGENCY 1B next year at best. Zo isn’t, as I said he played 0 games there in 2011. Rodriguez got better at SS and they probably want to keep him there, plus Joyce is lefty so yes, he is the emergency 1B, he will not be the starting 1B and Zobrist will play all season at 2B, I don’t even know if he plays RF this year, he’s become an everyday 2B, S-Rod is the new super utility.
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let's keep the talk to baseball, joey, not my obvious internet anger issues.
i already made a reasoned argument for why Joyce will be 1B if no one else is signed, you can read it below, but you’ve chosen not to.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
furthermore, if we already have Zobrist and SRod as "emergency" 1Bs, why would we be giving Joyce reps there as ANOTHER emergency 1B?
If he can defend that position and hit to justify being there, it makes too much goddamn sense for him to play 1B to open up the outfield for Guyer to get a chance to play everyday.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
Both Maddon & Friedman have come out and said they don't envision Zobrist doing any 1B time
Zobrist himself has even said he does not like playing 1st at all.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 26, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus Christ the only one talking about Zobrist as 1B is joey. I'm talking about Joyce here, can anyone read?
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
This wasn't targeted at you. I was adding on to your point
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by Jason Collette on Dec 27, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
you can see why i'd be confused about that.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
Joyce is an average to below average RF?
I would’ve thought at least slightly above average, but still our worst defensive OF.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 26, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
he's not as fast as our stallionaires or Guyer/Fuld, and took some questionable routes last year. He's not atrocious but just seems like a natural candidate to move over to first and make our defense stronger overall.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
I agree with all of that. I still wouldn't call him below average.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 26, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
below the standards this team has set for defense; suboptimal. happy?
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
Below team average, sure.
But most teams would welcome his defense in the field. Kind of crappy to knock Joyce because even though he’s good, he’s not as good as the excellent defenders the Rays have in the OF.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 26, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
it's not a knock on him at all, it's acknowledging the standards set by the stellar defense of the rest of the team.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
Or Joyce to DH
Hole plugged.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 26, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
does nothing to fill 1B. i'd rather rotate players into the DH to give them a rest from defense if we don't sign anyone to DH specifically.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
You can rotate the DH with Joyce getting most of the time there.
He’s still a good OF and will probably some time off against tough lefties, plus Guyer may get some time off against tough righties. Joyce to DH is just an idea because the Rays would only need to grab a 1b instead of a 1b plus a DH. Guyer moves off the bench and it opens up a spot there, too.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 26, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
why would you take the glove off the hand of a guy that you, personally, consider to be at worst average on defense, when we don't have a starter for every position on the diamond as is?
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
Because Guyer probably has a better glove.
I would say Joyce is average at worst, but he’s also the worst on this team.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 26, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
So Jenning/Upton/Guyer outfield, Fuld 4th OF, Joyce 1B and Canzler to spell him and hit against tough lefties.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
Yeah, my main point was that the Rays don't need to stress about signing/trading for 2 lineup spots
I would love to see Joyce get a shot at 1b. All this talk about Damon/Posada/whoever makes it seem like some people think that the team needs a non-positional player in the lineup, which is silly. I’d rather sign a real 1b put Joyce at DH and Guyer in RF than put Joyce at 1b and sign a guy like Damon. I’m not a fan of the inflexibility of a guy like Damon, or anything player who can’t field, clogging a spot in the lineup every game.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 26, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Someone suggested
What if we sign Codero for 1+1, then trade Farnsworth plus Niemann package to LAA for CJ Cron and K.Mo. K.Mo would be able to play by second half of next season, we sign Kotchman for 2/6. Utilize K.Mo as 1B/DH then use Cron after Kotchman. LAA receive decent closer and 5th starter they want, and Rays get what they want.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Dec 26, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions
I'm not sure Farnsworth and Niemann is enough to land Cron without Morales in the picture.
by Peter Piontek on Dec 26, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I've asked some LAA fans
but they do have some interest in that deal also. No one knows when and if K.Mo would be back on track and he would still receive millions. Their 1B/DH is locked up for years to come and they want to win now. Yet Cron is a high ceiling prospect but only played rookey ball. Both of them have pretty high ceilings but low floors, not proven commodities. Farnsworth and Nimeann would get the job done and can contribute right now. It fills up their need I guess.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Dec 26, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder how we make the trade work where we get Trumbo instead of Morales and Cron
I like both bats but Morales may never play again for all we know and Cron might already need a 2nd surgery and he’s in the minors. I am not an OBP or death guy and Trumbo is a much safer bet than those 2.
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I just don't see how we can know about Morales
without inside medical information, it’s all just guesswork in a hat
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 26, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't it take Jermaine Dye
about 2 years to come back from a similar injury with Oakland?
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 26, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Angels do want back end relievers
I don’t like Cordero’s declining….everything rates and his price tag because of his saves. And now I forgot when Cron was drafted, can he be traded yet?
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I'm just gonna say it because it wont happen anyway but I'm wondering how much truth there is to it
and how much we are just trying to make the Red Sox pay more.
Bailey rumors are going again. Sox and Angels also interested but Sox prefer Madson while Angels like Walden. I don’t think we trade a good prospect for a RP but it’s not only what he will do for our pen, it’s what he wont do for the Sox pen that should be considered.
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Red Sox have issues.
I’m sure we’re trying to drive up the price. A’s want Middlebrooks which i’m sure means they are asking for Lee from us.
by Peter Piontek on Dec 26, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
if you insult budman3 for bringing his crap about Barton up, you should be less hypocritical and stop talking about adding another RP to our pen, which looks about as good in the offseason as any pen save 2010 has looked.
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
No, I insult Barton, I don't insult budman
I go after the player, you go after the person saying his name. Big difference.
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/run freezo.exe
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Have I said that Barton is terrible pretty much every time he brings him up? Yes
Do I always tell him that we should do a lot better? Sure do
Do I call him an idiot? No
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Now, now boys, settle down
I’ve always said Barton is going to be a much cheaper and just as productive a 1st baseman as re-signing Kotchman. And as such, he could hold down the position(especially defensively) and the Rays should be just as good as last year(especially if it’s all about pitching and defense anyway). But that was with the caveat that the Rays have to add some needed power and production from whom ever they sign to DH and/or if they had added offense at catcher. I have also said a long term solution(acquiring a young prospect who may or not be ready this year) should, and will be, part of the equation this winter.
Right now, besides all the expectations of what moves might be made, the Rays have neither a 1st baseman or DH. And the market, even if it comes to AF, will be very competitive. It’s not like the Rays have every option for themselves. But there is the common theme that the Rays could go with a lesser 1st baseman and put more into acquiring a DH or do the opposite. I do think that two things will be accomplished this winter. The Rays will end up with a very good defensive 1st baseman for 2012, as it is crucial to continue their defensive superiority(and winning games) which is where Barton comes in for me. And secondly, when all is said and done, the duo of DH/1st baseman brought in will provide Maddon with even more options to rotate, mix and match, switch guys,and have them play multiple positions in the field from day to day. That’s where I can see a R/L platoon at first base(maybe a Guzman), maybe a Scott who can DH and play 1st. This in addition to trading for a young 1st baseman who can help now(along the same lines of flexibility) and the future, like a Rizzo.
You may hate Barton, Kotchman and argue over any other options but they are all in play, IMO and AF will hopefully play the market and come up with the right combination of moves.
I dont get the Bailey love either.
I get the logic in adding another reliever, but not another high leverage back end guy. especially one that would be expensive to acquire.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
by Vin on Dec 26, 2011 12:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
It's not just about adding him
However, we should continue to “push hard” for him to make the Red Sox trade a whole lot if they want him. It can be our way of raising the price like the Yankees and Red Sox do with FA’s
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Thats silly joey.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
by Vin on Dec 26, 2011 12:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
but they do that anyways?
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I would just wait for the trading deadline if I was Beane
Closers can fetch more when a contending team wants to sure up their pen for the pennant race than they can in the offseason. Beane has said this about Bailey but he could very well be posturing.
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 26, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
It would just be cool to have Bailey and Trumbo
the 09 ROTY winner can join the 08 and 2011 winner and we can bring in the guy who finished 2nd in 2011 also. Of course, with Moore trying to win it in 2012. The All Rookie Team of the late 2000’s
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that would be so much fun!!
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Rays hit and run results
Mike Fast ran a query for me in his data:
TB hit-and-run breakdown 2005-2007: -24 runs, 2008-2011: +16 runs.
So the strategy hurt the Rays greatly over the first 3 seasons but has been helpful over the last four.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 26, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions
I need to dig into the math of that study
because something just seems not right when the conclusion is that teams should be employing the hit-and-run more. I realize this is the equivalent of saying “UZR can’t be any good because it says Derek Jeter is a terrible shortstop,” but the hit-and-run is bad and it should feel bad.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 26, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
This was a fun day, I can't believe it made the front of ESPN's MLB section
It doesn’t even involve the Sox or Yankees
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/19492/performance-of-the-year-goes-to
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it's a glitch
it will be replaced with Jeter’s 3,000th hit soon enough
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 26, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Instead of Zumaya, what about Neshek?
I havent heard much about him this offseason but he seems like a good bet for a minor league invite. I still remember how nasty he was a couple of years ago.
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 26, 2011 2:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What about Suzuki in OAK as a starting C?
I know his salary is a little rich for the Rays but if we throw in a nice P prospect maybe Beane will eat some of it, is it even worth acquiring him I know he has struggled the last couple of years but I think OAK started him too much and he wore down? Or what about taking a flyer on Landon Powell who was just NT by Oak? Is he worth a shot? Any opinions?
Bailey and Suzuki are next on this list
I used to love Suzuki but he hasn’t hit in 2 years and now he’s getting expensive (for us)
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I know Suzuki is gettin expensive for us
thats why I said if we give them a decent prospect maybe Beane will eat some of the contract. Even though he has slumped the last couple of years he still hit better than anything the Rays had. I think JoeMa would know how to rest him properly and keep him fresh (something that seemed to escape the A’s) and get the best out of him. I think its an interesting option. Landon wouldn’t cost a thing and he was pretty decent in 09 and he seems to throw out BS at a pretty good clip. Like Kurt he has struggled offensively the last couple years but he seems like a buy extremely low candidate no?
by JoeMasGlasses on Dec 26, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Beane isn't eating any contract
He’s trying to sell off every piece making over the minimum and I’m sure there is a team or 2 out there that will take Suzuki’s full contract off his hands.
When I think about that team, once they trade Bailey and Suzuki, who is left. Deep farm system of pitchers but wow if we find a way to go 2-5 against them again next season……
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Cubs have signed Sonny.
Good luck to him in Chi town
If the rays trade for Rizzo
And he doesnt make the club out of spring training, what about a Juan Miranda / Russ Canzler platoon until Rizzo is deemed ready?
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 26, 2011 5:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
oddly, miranda doesn't seem to hit righties.
but crushes lefties, in extremely small sample sizes.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 26, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Jerry Sands
Do you think the dodgers would be willing to give him up? I keep thinking he might be a dark horse.
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 26, 2011 8:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It almost reminds me of the Jackson/Joyce trade
Big time power and almost major league ready with a cup of coffee in the majors. Imagine if Friedman could find a way to get Rizzo and Sands. That would be quite the young offensive duo. Sands could dh this year and then move to LF in 2012. Just day dreaming I suppose.
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 26, 2011 9:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I highly doubt that AF brings in a young player with the expectation of using him in the DH on a regular basis
That role is still best suited for a veteran who can accept and thrive with swinging the bat 4 times and sitting on the bench the rest of the game, IMO. And at that, one who could do it almost every game. While that maybe AF’s ideal plan, he again may have to settle for some type of DH/1st base, R/L split, platoon type of rotation.
Maybe if he trades for Blanks AND Rizzo.....
Get his lefty 1B and I know he’s been fine but I just don’t like Blanks in the field.
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Thats not what I was suggesting
Assuming bj leaves next season, he could be in LF. Again this is in some hypothetical dream where the rays could get Rizzo and Sands. In 2011 Sands could get time at dh, corner outfield and 1b. He can even play 3b if needed. So he wouldnt just sit the bench. If the rays signed scott too (still dreaming) him, Sands and Rizzo could all share playing time, esp with sands and rizzo being rookies and scott coming back from an injury.
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 26, 2011 10:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2 minor league games at 3b. I don't think he can play 3rd if needed.
What could be better than Dan Johnson
hitting .108
Let's trade Reddick for Heyward!
by QW on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM CDT
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 27, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Scott, Rizzo and Sands
The more I think about it this would be awesome with these 3 splitting time at 1b, dh, and 4th OF. Sands and Scott can play the corner OF as backups and Sands can start at 1b against tough lefties. Scotts career numbers against lhp really arent that bad, just less walks. None of them would have to face the rigors of playing every day and getting over exposed. And like I said, Sands could move to LF when Upton is gone. Maybe we could get Sands for Davis and Rizzo for a couple prospects, or the other way around. Its feasible if the dodgers would consider trading him. For some reason they think they can win and they have an obsession with Juan Rivera in LF.
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 26, 2011 11:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I honestly dont know
For one Loney is making guarenteed money so they are going to play him, esp with the strong second half he had. Second, Loneys trade value is pretty l low so im not sure how much they would get in return. Lastly from what I have read, people think he needs more time in AAA so there isnt a spot for him on this team. Maybe they could get a couple good prospects in areas they are thin for Sands. Again, just wishful thinking.
by BossmanJunior333 on Dec 27, 2011 4:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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