The Rays Tank: Marlins Outbid Mets For Jose Reyes, World Asplodes
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 5, 2011 8:19 AM EST
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The Winter Meetings technically kick off today, but the Miami Marlins jumped into the fray early. After supposedly getting "impatient" with how long it was taking free agents to make a decision, the Marlins jump-started the process by offering Jose Reyes considerably more money than any other team was willing to: 6 years, $106 million. As Grant Brisbee pointed out, yes, the Marlins just outbid the financially strapped Mets; what sort of upside down world is this?
The snark about this move hit Twitter in one giant wave, but as Dave Cameron pointed out, it seems likely that the Marlins will get good value back from this contract. It's a risk, but even with injuries Reyes could be worth this contract in the end.
Oh, and despite tossing all this money at Reyes, the Marlins are still planning on making a large push for Albert Pujols. As I pointed out on Friday, the Marlins have very few financial obligations after 2013, so it appears they're not afraid to stock their system with some large, long-term contracts.
Also, there's going to be a movie on the Negro Leagues. Heck yeah, sign me up for that - anything that has to do with Josh Gibson and Satchel Paige is already great in my book.
Rays Talk
Remember that Manny Ramirez guy? Apparently Manny wants to un-retire and play with a team in 2012 (after his 50 game suspension is served). I can't imagine the Rays will want to go anywhere near him after the way he surprised/deceived them last year, but he's an interesting option on a minor league deal...I guess. Considering he has to miss 50 games and he hasn't played consistently in the majors since 2010, he's not nearly as exciting an option as he was last year.
There are two Rays-related articles over at Beyond the Boxscore right now. One of them is an attempt to create an "All-Rays Team" -- in my mind, the methodology is a bit strict and rigid to make an accurate team, but it certainly makes for an interesting discussion -- and the other is a ranking of how "traditional" AL managers are. It surprised me that Maddon came in around the middle of the list, but I think that just goes to show that there's more to being a progressive manager than simply eschewing the intentional walk.
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wonder
if there is any concern about his FB% being so low, GB% being high, and LOB% being low.
Can he sustain this?
Any guesses on the first big move of the meatings...?
I think Theo and the Cubs grab Pujols for 7 years 225 million.
You had it right the first time.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
6.9 years $420 million
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Anyone else interested in Andrew Jones as a PT DH/4th OF?
sweet numbers vs LHP last year. A Damon/Jones DH combo would be fine with me.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 9:45 AM EST reply actions
With the current 4/5 OFers as Guyer and Fuld, I'm going to say no
I don’t want to carry 2 guys that are bad fielders, unless the team goes with the 11 man staff.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
any interest in Jones as cheap, low average, RH power DH?
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
looking at park factors...
Trop was a 92 for RH power
Yankee Stadium was 115 for RH power
He & his agent have been smart and he’s played his last 3 seasons in very cozy offensive parks but his road OPS last three seasons is .706, .729, .775 while hitting .199, .215., .193.
I think he’s a nice fallback option, but not someone to target.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'd want
a long in the tooth 4th outfielder, a 12 man staff, and Brandon Guyer playing everyday in Durham until he is needed due to injury or poor performance.
That’s just me though and I realize I’m in the minority on Guyer to AAA based on age/numbers/Rays financial constraints.
Would I be upset of Guyer is the 4th outfielder…no.
Did you know
that Carlos Lee was 6th in the majors versus left handed pitching (>125 PA) with a .348 average and a slash line of .348/.413/.615 with more walks (16) than K’s (14). Career .843 OPS vs LHP.
An overall .339 wOBA in 2011.
Astros suggest that they will eat most of his contract. Wonder where he ends up.
Wonder how much Astros eat and what level of prospect they want in exchange?
I said it before and I'll say it again, Friedman for Lee
GMs are a market inefficiency and I trust $tu to pluck another financial wunderkind from WS
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Friedman
& correct me if I’m wrong…isn’t currently under a formal contract with the Rays?
Hard to trade someone you don’t have rights to!
Apologize if I’m completely wrong on this!
You're right. Everything i've seen says that he operates without a contract.
by Peter Piontek on Dec 5, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
it's a 1 year contract renewed every year, or functions that way, but i'm sure $tu has it set up that we have "rights" to him
maybe he has to sell back his shares of the team if he leaves or something like that…I won’t pretend I understand how any of that works though, so I’ll give up right here.
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I'm available
Another DRB guy on Twitter, @jeffjohn1979
He's due $18M -- if they'll eat $13M of it, I'll listen
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I thought he graded out well defensively
at the corners last year. Fangraphs has his defensive numbers almost all positive there.
Reading some of the dialogue from Johnny Damon this weekend, is there much doubt
he and the Rays have an understanding for the upcoming season?
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Yeah.
Damon isn’t the smartest guy, and I’m not sure Frieds makes ties to an old, not-so-valuable player like Damon.
Marlins screwed the taxpayers over with a new stadium & tax-free parking garages
Rays didn’t.
Should have bribed Foster instead of fought him
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Foster strikes me as too stupid to bribe
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 5, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
How else would you frame the discussion?
The Marlins just dropped more money on 2 players than the Rays have spent on their team payroll the last 2 seasons. That kind of cash is clearly a result of the sweetheart stadium deal that saw the taxpayer pick up 80% of the bill and the annual taxes on the parking garages that the city gave full control of to the Marlins for use. The fees are projected out at $10 per spot for the 5,700 spots so anything over that is pure profit to the Marlins & the fact they don’t have to pay the taxes on it makes it even better.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
how come the SEC isn't looking into the Yankees sweet stadium deal?
Isn’t most of that publicly funded, despite the fact that the Yankees are the wealthiest team in baseball if not all of sports?
That seems fishy to me.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Some stinks were raised
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3662987
They got $943M in tax-exempt bonds in 2006 — that’s unreal. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/15/nyregion/15stadium.html
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
any sort of stink like the Marlins are getting?
It is just curious that the Yankees get grumbling, and the Marlins get federal investigation. Reaks of BS to me.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Nah -- SEC investigations are more than anything related to Yankee Stadium
The mayor down there was recalled with this stadium being a major sticking point for voters
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
When isn't the SEC late to the party anyway
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Dec 5, 2011 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
as between the SEC and the Yankees
I’ll be rooting for angry velociraptors
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 5, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Part public, part private
And if I remember correctly, the bonds weren’t actually tax exempt but were PILOTs (meaning they pay debt service in place of paying property taxes on the land where the stadium sits). But why would the SEC be involved? There was full disclosure to the purchasers. It was a private placement, so not only isn’t public disclosure required, but most of what went into the deal is confidential.
This coming from a securities lawyer…who might have worked on that deal.
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At least they are investing in the team
The taxpayers are buying a quality team instead of a mediocre one b/ c of the deal.
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with an awful ROI
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Reyes's deal is more than 3x larger
Than the largest guaranteed deal in TB history. Wish we had those extra dollars.
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by Transplanted on Dec 5, 2011 12:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the Rays really are in a market of their own
check out, for example, one Baltimore writer bemoaning that $70 million doesn’t buy you all that much any more.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 5, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
What the Marlins have spent in FA this season is greater than their payroll from 2007-2011
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
They aren't done either
I can see them getting a SP.
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by Transplanted on Dec 5, 2011 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you're considering years vs. single-year payroll, can't do that. apples and oranges...or honeycrisps and galas i guess.
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so take it to the point they are paying their SS & CL 50% of what the entire team was paid last season
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
and now the taxpayers are getting their returns by seeing Luria finally recruiting a good team to Miami. Give and take.
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They paid 80% of the stadium & now they get a 100+M deal for a guy with a questionable health history
and a closer for $9M a season potentially over 4 years?
Sign me up for that sweetness!
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
you don't think that the Reyes deal is a fair one for both sides?
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If he stays healthy, it is fair market value on this market.
As Maury had it earlier today
2003: Placed on the 15-day DL on Sept. 5 with a Grade 2 left ankle sprain that ends his season.
2004: Placed on the 15-day DL on March 15 with a strained right hamstring, which keeps him sidelined until June 19.
2009: Playing with a right calf strain, Reyes leaves game on May 21 after aggravating injury. Placed on the 15-day DL, does not return that season. Leaves a minor-league rehab assignment game on June 3 with what is called “discomfort in his right calf.”
-The next day, the Mets announce that Reyes has a tear in his right hamstring tendon.The Mets announce on Oct. 5 that Reyes will have offseason surgery to clean up scar tissue around the hamstring tendon.
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2010: Placed on 15-day DL with hyperactive thyroid, reinstated April 10.
-On June 30, suffers a injury to right side in batting practice, misses six games.On July 10, he re-aggravates injury, does not return until July 20.
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-Removed from a game on Aug. 26 after aggravating oblique injury. Does not return until Sept. 10.Aug 8, placed on 15-day DL for left hamstring, comes back on Aug 28.
2011: Placed on 15-day DL for hamstring injury on July 7 misses 12 games.
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Risky investment and I hated the Bell deal the moment it was signed. Every bit of that money should have been thrown at Stanton and let Cishek try his role as a closer.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
sorry about the crossouts -- dunno why that happened
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
it's fair value if he plays 115-130 games at SS a season, which affords for a few minor DL trips a year.
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125ish games at age 28 will be different at age 33 looking at regression, especially at the position
I thought 6/90 was going to be what he got but the market was ideal for him.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
but that's simply not feasible for top tier FAs in this spending environment, teams are always going to go over suggested value.
you have to consider the opportunity cost of not getting the multi-year allstar and best available FA SS option, though in that scenario it’s more like replacing your 3B since you have Hanley…
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continuing their plan of acquiring nothing but shortstops and centerfielders?
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 5, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
at least he's under the age of 35
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
that's our draft strategy isn't it?
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Elsewhere the report is denied
Only one team bid(ded?) on him. SF Chronicle says it was not the Giants or the As. Denver paper says it’s not the Rockies.
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This is interesting
http://wahoosonfirst.com/war-calculator/
explanation: http://wahoosonfirst.com/2011/12/05/simple-war-calculator-glossary/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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by Lewie Pollis on Dec 5, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Nonsense!
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one ballot in – and McGriff is on it
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From Rany Jazayerli
I don’t know why, but my Dayton Moore intuition – aka my Daydar – is pointing me towards a big trade, maybe a 3-way, this week.
A white whale, perhaps?
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They would trade Soria or Holland
Holland flat out dominated last season but yes, I still would like Soria more.
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They did have one thing in common though
We beat them both in 9th, Kotchman and craziest play ever by Fuld did them in.
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Would rather have Holland (much, much cheaper)
Toronto is one of the teams interested…any interest in Adam Lind? Could be part of a 3-way deal…
Also, whatever happened to Robinson Tejeda? Was a very good reliever for a couple years and then one injury and gets released and disappears…
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I still wouldn't mind someway somehow Clint Robinson ending up in a Rays uniform
I think he would be a very good buy low type option to try out at 1B.
This reminds me of some Royal rumor I saw from Twitter like a month ago
that said Shields for Billy Butler, Will Myers, and a pitcher. While very unlikely, it would be awesome if Fried could pull that off.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 5, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Why because he is most likely a DH?
Butler would be a nice high average, good opb, 20 HR threat. His contract may be a little expensive for the Rays though.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 5, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Probly.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 5, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Myers' stock dropped steeply last year too
Maybe it was because of all the moving positions, but now that he’s no longer a catcher, if he can’t sustain a really high BABIP, he’s not that valuable of a player.
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Goldstein still ranked him #1 in the Royals org
I really liked what I saw of him at the AFL last month. He hit a linedrive that Junior Lake tried to jump up and catch that 2 hopped to the left center field wall. Great athlete with a smooth Francouer-like swing
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Royals are trying to make a major splash
With Wil Myers as main bait, I could see Royals getting Gio Gonzalez. If the hunch about a looming 3-way trade proves right, wonder who else might be in on this mix with Oak-Royals.
Grabbing two lefties in Sanchez and Gonzalez would be quite the coup.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you're going for there, but the term "Francouer-like" being applied to a spect makes me a little grossed out.
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Soria did lose some value
And, I think AF might eventually consider that, he will look for a power bat first, for any of his pitchers.
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I feel like Cobb has limited trade value
With him as the centerpiece, we won’t be getting a big bat back
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 5, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
but him and Fleming...the possibilities are ENDLESS!
STARLINNNNNNNN
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My delusional blockbuster
C, SS, 1B and DH all in one trade.
: )
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Shields to Reds
Would probably result in such a return. Not advocating this however.
Guerrieri and Mahtook not eligible to be traded until Aug. 2012
but, you know, for a completely insane proposal that’s actually not bad.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 5, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
MLBTR saying that
The Indians are in on Kotchman. I’ve been saying for a while now that Kotch is going to get a lot more in free agency than you’d otherwise expect.
called that a few weeks ago
Given their approach to going with DIPS pitchers & all of those groundballs, it’ makes a ton of sense. They can’t go with LaPorta there fulltime – he’s awful.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Also says they like every 1B not name Prince or Albert
Doesn’t matter, bring me Yonder/Morrison please.
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That market is already shallow - see my post from last week
Lee, Pena, Kotchman, Branyan, Overbay….
Pena would be in their budget if they want to spend, right MrNegative1?
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
not sure
the Indians have said they are going to spend around 3 mil more.
Pena may look for a little bit more than the Indians are willing to spend.
We’ll see.
wondering if Pena overestimated his market
Could have received around 13 mil in arbitration. Unless Brewers view him as a replacement to Fielder, or the Mariners look at him as a consolation prize, I doubt Pena gets anywhere near that.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
He wants multi-years
He can get that security, but I doubt he gets that AAV
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
will he get more than 2/16?
I know he wants multi-year, but seems like he’s leaving lots of money on the table.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
he wants multi years.
I was all for the Indians picking up pre-7/31 last year to add leadership, defense, and middle of the order power.
I’d take all of that on a 1-year deal but the optics will be argued that he doesn’t fit what C-town needs.
He is a high-K guy (fans think the Indians have enough of them) and he is left handed (fans really think the Tribe is too lefty heavy anyways).
Either he or Kotch make sense for that IF
It needs a defensive anchor
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
the Indians and Defense
ship has sailed. Offense first…defense second.
Not the way I’d do it but shouldn’t try to be what you aren’t
If defense is sailing with 4 GB pitchers on their staff, they're their own worst enemy
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
2007
they didn’t care about defense with a bunch of GB pitchers.
Like I said, it’s not the way I’d go but the ship has sailed.
for instance…Kotchman or Carlos Lee….go with Carlos Lee. Even if it cost a little more.
Wow @ 2007
I forgot how much infield that staff tore up
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I have long
wanted the Indians to take care of their pitching staff by improving their defense but they just never sacrifice offense for defense.
Feel odd talking like this since it is SO obvious that I value first base defense from all of my comments and posting!!!!
To me, first base is the anchor of an infield but I don’t think the current regime thinks like me.
OT: I see Rays Digest is going to go over the top 50 prospects.
Anyone know whether you need subscription?
Not that I'm aware of
Everything I’ve seen there so far has been sub-free
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
If Cubs eat all but 12 million of the 3 years left on the Soriano deal, do Rays have any interest?
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 1:31 PM EST reply actions
Interested
But barely. Maybe send them a bag of used baseballs in exchange.
What if the Astros eat all but say...7 million of Lee's deal?
If we are going to trade for a guy way past his prime but still has decent pop, at least do it for 1 year, not 3.
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moving from that park to Trop worries me
MMP — 117/100 for RH homers; 93/100 for doubles
Trop – 92/100 for RH homers; 85/100 for doubles
$5M would be my max
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
No metion of the SEC looking into how the Marlins got financing for their stadium?
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 5, 2011 1:34 PM EST reply actions
look up
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
more info
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204826704577077230342369436.html?KEYWORDS=deadspin
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder how much that will play into the Rays wanting a new stadium.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 5, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
We're currently interviewing Noah Pransky of WTSP-10 & Shadow of the Stadium blog on that very topic
Story will hopefully run Wednesday
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Personally
I don’t see any way anything happens here unless books get opened, at least with a NDA between both parties. I don’t mind if that part gets worked out behind closed doors.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
The only concern would be a change in the laws
If any of it goes to a ballot, we could have a problem.
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Probably not at all
Although it will probably make the City of Tampa have second thoughts.
I honestly doubt anything will come of this, at least on the SEC side. Unless they screwed up the disclosure, most of the areas I’d be concerned about (anti-kickback laws, etc.) aren’t in the SEC’s jurisdiction.
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I promised myself to never trust twitter
But I want this to be true bad enough that I will trust twitter
People are saying Friedman has said no to the Astros. So yay to that and
either, welcome back Damon or, you’re a liar, Damon.
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Well, maybe it is true
http://twitter.com/#!/BillShaikin/status/143759840395804672
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Houston Chronicle reported that Friedman turned it down
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I guess it's no surprise that he turned it down now
So that is completley off the table for the winter meetings.
I mean, we all knew he would stay but, then again, we were also told that we got Jason Bay…..
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anybody know Chris Coghlan's contract status?
he would be an interesting piece for DH/2B/COF. Maybe a move like Niemann for Coghlan + C prospect.
Marlins said before the offseason even started that ne needs another year in the minors
At this point, they may give him away. However, I don’t know how much I’m interested, he hasn’t done much of anything since his rookie year and he doesn’t have a real position. Been a while since he played 2B, he’s probably best in LF these days and he’s not great there either.
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Everybody's fav Punto is prob a better option than EJ....
But yes, Coghlan would definatley be an upgrade over Elliot “I’m here to bunt but I’m not able to” Johnson
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Great summary of most of the best Rule 5 eligible players
From this morning: http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/12/5/2572470/rule-5-draft-guide-2011
A few guys we might target aren’t on there (Tim Norton most prominently), but a lot of interesting info.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
He said SS will be S-Rod vs Brignac
Wont lie, loving the no Elliot mention.
Also mentioned how everyone talks about Moore but Cobb is great also, im glad he didn’t just say “Well, they have a chance in Spring but Jeff and Wade deserve to stay where they have had success” or something of that nature.
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Helliot is a reserve infielder if he stays on the team - that's the true talent level there
When he mentions Cobb like that, it makes me think he’s on the block as well. Maddon sat there straight faced last year and praised Bartlett up and down not 24 hrs before he was traded to the Padres.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Did he have a straight face on when he said Garza would be pitching for us in 2011?
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The Fielding Bible
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, that too
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by Jason Collette on Dec 5, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Please be true
According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the Rays are telling teams they’ll have to be “overwhelmed” by a trade offer in order to move B.J. Upton this winter.
The Rays also employed a similar strategy at the trade deadline in July. Upton made $4.825 million in 2011 and is due a significant raise in his final year of arbitration, but the Tampa Bay front office is apparently comfortable with paying up. The 27-year-old outfielder batted .243/.331/.429 with 23 home runs, 81 RBI and 36 stolen bases in 153 games this past season.
We need to improve this offense, not trade Upton.
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Well, always like extensions to add to the core of Longoria, Shields and I guess Zobrist and for now Davis
But I hope we at least try to extend Price before talking to Upton.
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I did mean 1 of them, though
I meant Price needs to be the priority and if we can’t agree to something THEN we can try to spend it on Upton.
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I'd like to spend it on everyone
But a new stadium hasn’t walked through that door yet.
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I'd rather not waste money on an extension on a guy with 1 plus pitch
I’d rather extend Moore, I imagine it would be a similar type deal. Price isn’t garbage by any means but I think his reputation far outweighs his true talent level right now.
Wait, so a guy with a 70 grande fastball, an average curve, and promising plus changeup, and an average curve isn't that good?
Can I throw in that he commands his fastball pretty darn well? Price still has legit ace upside, and he has shown that he is a borderline one the past two years.
I never said he isn't that good
I said he reputation (one of the best pitchers in baseball along side CC, Lee, etc….) when he reality I’m not sure he is better than Shields or even Moore at this point. He has tremendous upside, but I doubt we will be able to afford to have him on this team when he reaches that.
Price is very very good.
I don’t think anyone puts him on the Lee/Halladay/CC level, but he gets his mentions as an ace.
It took a career year from Shields to barely be better than Price. And honestly, expecting a 5 WAR season from Moore is absurd. While it is possible, you are setting the expectations WAAAAYYYY too high. Seems reminisent of Torres to me. Everyone remembers Torres’ good start but forgets the poor ones. Likewise, everyone forgets the moments Moore scared us while remembering only his brilliance.
I think your perception of the players is perhaps the reason why you are not as big of a fan. A young, high potential current 4.5 or so WAR pitcher is very very good. Moore and Shields should have no affect on how you value Price. I have yet to see anyone say Price is Hallday/Lee/CC yet, so I won’t go there.
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I would really really like to get Willingham not that he isn't type A.
Offer him 5 million with a 7 million option.
He won't get that much
I’d be willing to bet on it
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 6, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
wonder what it'll take to get it done
at what point do we bow out? 2/16? 2/16 with 3rd yr club option (8) or 2mil buyout?
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
That'd be nice to see
But still skeptical as of right now.
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by Transplanted on Dec 5, 2011 4:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Willingham and Alonso would be an awesome off-season
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Better than Damon and Alonso.
Also, a right handed bat helps.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
and now Rosenthal adds some more to the rumor mill
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Source: #Rays not yet close on Willingham but a finalist among 3-4 teams. First reported by @jcrasnick. #MLB
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 5, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
It's not the Jays
Rumor on the Sox at least is they would rather have Reddick in RF
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plz plz plz
id love to see us sign furcal, willingham, and swisher. taht would be MONTE.
by rglass44 on Aug 25, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up actions
hey guys, remember that awesome typo I made last august?
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by pudieron89 on Dec 5, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's good to leave media for an hour and come back and here good news like this.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
One of Maddon's quotes
* He said he would be slightly surprised if the Rays didn’t trade one of their eight starting pitchers given they have other needs and there has already been considerable interest in their stable.
Bring me a big hitter or a future C please.
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I don't like the thought of trading a big piece away this winter.
I’m already in the “Let’s go for it all” mode.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
the problem is with the Rays financial situation, you have to give up a big piece if you want to add a big piece
the kind of impact bat we need isn’t going to come in FA or a trade for Niemann/Davis.
and with the quality of pitching depth we have with Moore, Torres, and Cobb all waiting in AAA
we can afford to give up a big piece and still have one of the best pitching staffs in baseball.
I still think it's best to trade one of our non-dominate pitchers.
And still get a good bat, while filling a hole. I’m open to trading a big piece if we are WAY behind at the deadlne. But then again, look at this past season.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine us being in last place in the ALE at the deadline
and us putting Shields, Upton, Price, and more on the block. That would be a ridiculous return when it’s all said and done.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hey--Josh Willingham :)
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I wait for press confrences before I get excited
Got my hopes up so many times last season only to see the Blue Jays sign everyone we wanted.
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Yeah, that's true.
Altough showing intrest in guys who will legitimately help the team is a good sign.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
while Willingham is good, I wouln't call him a big piece
I wouldn’t expect much more than ~.250 with 25 HR ~.350 OBP. Much better than what we’ve had but he isn’t coming in and being Pujols.
It's pretty impressive, in my eyes, at least to hit 29 homers with Oakland as your home park
And 98 rbi with a pretty bleh lineup around you.
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I agree but he is going to be 33 and that was a career high year
and also had career lows in OBP and OPS despite the HR’s and you would think they would have been pitching carefully/around him in that line up.
Mashes LHP and was way down against them last year
Regression hopefully
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hope so but looking at his numbers I can help but feel that he was just swinging for the fences every AB
K’s way up and BB down and since when do we throw 3 year deals from age 33-35 to guys coming off a career (HR) year.
Yes, definitely concerning, but hopefully being out of the West stadiums
Gets him back to normal
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Still, it would be a pretty nice signing considering his talent.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone ever heard of a "Adam Prevost"?
I hope so cuz he said this
My sources tell me the #Rays offer to Josh Willingham takes #Sox #Tribe #Mariners out of running. CLE looking to get Kotchman deal done #mlb
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I don't like the offer if it took the Sox out of the running.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
True, and it doesn't seem like they really want him, so this could be pretty good.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Right. He wouldn't cost $100+ mil.
But to be serious, it sounds like they are going a different way. David Ortiz will surely be back, imo.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong...
But I thought I heard somewhere that The Sox would rather go with Reddick than Willingham. If that’s the case, this reported Rays offer did put them out of the running.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I thought they wanted Cuddyer
I think their new GM is actually a bit gun shy about money after both Lackey and Crawford were failed signings.
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I don't know, every free agent out there is linked to the Sox.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 5, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Maddon actually mentioned Crawford....sort of
Saying he would love to be able to do what the Marlins are doing “not necessarily go out and buy a SS but resigning a LF’er would be cool”
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Be thankful you're not a Dodgers fan
1/4.5 for Rivera
2/10 for Capuano
2/12 for Harang
2/6 for Hairston
2/8.8 for Ellis
1/0.8 for Kennedy
1/1 for Treanor
Awesome AAA team they have right there
I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude
Hey um.....Ellis plays good defense....
Yeah, that is some serious wasted money. However, if I was a Dodger fan, I would of just extended my best player 8 years also.
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