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What's Up With Wade Davis?

Hey all, I'm terribly sorry I haven't come up with my weekly analysis piece yet. I've been a bit swamped with life details, and the Winter Meetings are making for an exciting (although busy) week so far. I don't have time for as long or detailed a post as I'd like, but I wanted to at least share some of my recent ponderings about the Rays.

As we all know, the Rays are looking to trade a starting pitcher this offseason. Yeah yeah, Andrew Friedman claims that he's happy with his current depth and isn't going to trade anyone, but we should all be able to see through his doubletalk by now. The Rays need to open up a rotation spot for Matt Moore (or to begin the season, Alex Cobb), and we've already heard rumors that Jeff Niemann and Wade Davis are on the trade market.

Odds are one of the Rays' starters gets dealt this offseason, and it'll likely be one of three pitchers: Niemann, Davis, or Cobb. The trick is, which pitcher do the Rays think they can get the most return for?

The common assumption around here seems to be that Wade Davis is the likely candidate to go. He's young and under a very affordable contract for the next three seasons (with three more team options), and he's shown the potential to be a solid, dependable starter. Yet the more I look at Davis' numbers, the more I begin to wonder: are we vastly overestimating Davis' trade value?

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Consider: Wade Davis has now thrown nearly 400 innings in the majors and he's entering his age 26 season, yet he has a career 4.55 FIP and 4.61 SIERA. His strikeout rate has declined each of the past three seasons, and he's an extreme flyball pitcher (42%) that has benefited from playing in the pitcher-friendly Tropicana Field. His peripheral statistics stunk in 2010, and he only got worse in 2011.

When you dig into Davis' stats a bit more, the picture doesn't necessarily get any prettier. His strikeout rate was below average against both righties (12%) and lefties (14%) last season, but he actually had some success in keeping lefties in the park (0.8 HR/9, 3.81 FIP). And it's not like he was working with a pitch repertoire that was only suited for one hand or the other; he features both a slider and a curveball, which should give him a weapon against both hands. He simply couldn't get many whiffs with either pitch last season, though -- 15-20%, max.

All this doesn't even mention his injury history. While he's no Jeff Niemann, Davis has gone on the DL each of the past two seasons with some ailment or the other. These stints may have been for minor injuries, but it still likely raises question marks in the eyes of other teams.

If you want to look at the positives, Davis did post improved strikeout numbers and peripherals from late July on. But even at his best last season, he was an average pitcher (4.31 FIP in August) and struggled to keep his K:BB ratio above two. He's not exactly a young ace, or even a pitcher that looks like he has much upside at the moment. If it wasn't for his minor league history and past scouting reports, I'd be ready to write Wade Davis off as a bust.

So when teams look at the Rays, are they going to be excited about the possibility of getting Wade Davis? I don't think so. He has too many question marks hanging over his head right now, and he hasn't been a good enough pitcher to really garner much of a return. He has upside, especially in the National League, but I wouldn't bank on him bringing in a haul.

At least, that's what I'm finding myself thinking more and more these days. Agree? Disagree? Have at it.'

*One a side note, I'm still a proponent of thinking about moving Davis to the bullpen. His contract makes it a distinct possibility, as he won't make more than Kyle Farnsworth is currently until 2014 ($4.8 million). If the Rays think he has limited upside as a starter, why not try and turn him into a back-of-the-bullpen arm? Reallocate that pitching depth.

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He seems to me to be a guy that has all the tools but just needs to put it together.

His command isn’t good, and it appears to me that he misses in the wrong spots often. His fastball is straight but usable with the better velocity. His cutter looks like a weapon and his slider is pretty good.

If I were Davis, I would scrap the changeup and go all fastball, cutter, curve, and slider. Since his fastball is straight but has some velocity, I would use it less than he currently is. He should become more reliant upon his offspeed pitches to get him strikes anywhere in count. Hopefully this will make his fastball a more potent pitch.

by mr. maniac on Dec 6, 2011 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

It would be very interesting

to see if his numbers improve with Jose Molina behind the plate. Niemann too. In the report on pitch framing, did Fast breakdown the type of pitch that Molina was best at framing?

by playjoyce on Dec 6, 2011 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

And here, I was thinking Neimann would be the smart one to move the pen

With less work, he should be sharper in most of his appearances and maybe even (gasp) stay healthy all season.

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by joeybw on Dec 6, 2011 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

Davis's stuff has deteriorated dramatically

His velocity is down and he isn’t getting the whiffs he used to on his off speed pitches (although I can’t say how much the second is a result of the first, it’s probably partially a result and partially a different problem). This isn’t the case of a wild pitcher needing to find his control, this is the case of a young pitcher who has completely lost his stuff and who needs to rediscover it.

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 6, 2011 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

I'm interested to see if the delivery changes hold

His location and velocity were better with the more over-top finish

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by Jason Collette on Dec 6, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Damnit, Steve.

I’ve been working on a long “What’s up with Wade Davis” piece that should be ready in a day or so. Part one will just be looking at results in detail, part two looks at stuff, and part three will be testing commenters’ ideas as to what might signal an impending breakthrough from Davis.

So use this as an idea to start thinking about what you want tested. I’ve broken his stats into four groups: 2009 (when he was good); 2010 (when he was bad); 2011 (when he lost velocity); and 2011 (after he got it back). Those of you who think he’s primed to improve, what are you seeing that might show up in the pitching data?

by Whelk on Dec 6, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

The delivery change

Hopefully the gif I have embedded above works better than it is on the inflight wifi right now.

Once he changed his delivery to finishing over the top rather than falling off, the velocity improved

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by Jason Collette on Dec 6, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The gif works good.

Yeah, I’ve broken it right at the velocity improvement in 2011, so as long as that matches up with the dates on the delivery change, we should be good there.

by Whelk on Dec 6, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome! That sounds like a great...I was hoping to delve into this more, but didn't have the time.

I’m really curious if he’s really lost his effectiveness with his curve/slider as much as it looks, and if so, what’s been the change.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 6, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Would Davis or Niemann be enough to

get Smoak if Fielder goes to the Mariners…or could the Rays get more than just Smoak?

by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 7, 2011 8:06 AM EST reply actions  

I kind of like the idea of Davis as a closer,

but how does he compare early on to Smoltz? I lived in Atlanta when Smoltz came up, and Davis just seems to remind me of him somewhat, as for being a starter…kind of coming along at a bit of a slower pace.

by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 7, 2011 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

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