Rays Community Prospect #10
by mr. maniac on Dec 7, 2011 11:47 PM EST
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With 48% of the vote, Vettleson nabs the 9th spot.
1. Matt Moore (100%)
2. Hak-Ju Lee (100%)
3. Alex Torres (53%)
4. Enny Romero (80% runoff)
5. Tim Beckham (64%)
6. Mikie Mahtook (63% runoff)
7. Brandon Guyer (50%)
8. Chris Archer (65% runoff)
9. Drew Vettleson (48%)
Jeff Malm, Russ Canzler, and any other suggestions will be added after this poll.
Candidates: Jake Hager, Parker Markel, Derek Dietrich, Tyler Goeddel, Oscar Hernandez, Alex Colome, Taylor Guerrieri, Josh Sale, and Ryan Brett.
Jake Hager: Selected by the Rays in the first round as their 3rd pick, Hager provides solid tools all around as a dynamic SS prospect. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hager-000jak)
Parker Markel: Markel was selected by the Rays all the way back in the the 39th round. As a pitching prospect, Markel offers a combinations of great stuff and encouraging command. However, his results were not as encouraging as the scouting reports. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=markel001par)
Derek Dietrich: A SS prospect from the 2010 draft, Dietrich offers enticing power from a SS. However, he may need to move off of SS and he was a little old, in prospect terms, for his league. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dietri002der)
Tyler Goeddel: A first round pick from the 2011 draft, Goeddel recieved an overslot deal to keep him from college. His bat is his main current tool, as his defensive posistioning still isn't clear. However, his bat has a lot of potential if the scouting reports turn out to be true. He has yet to have pro experience.
Oscar Hernandez: In posting video game numbers, Hernandez has himself driving a hype machine. However, little is known about his actual talents besides for the numbers in a small VSL park. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hernan002osc)
Alex Colome: Colome has a plus fastball and a developing curve and changeup. His command still needs some work. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=colome001ale)
Taylor Guerrieri: The Rays first pick in the 2011 draft out of high school, Guerrieri has a good fastball/curveball mix. He has no pro experience.
Josh Sale: A hyped up first round pick from the 2010 Rays draft, Josh Sale performed poorly in his first pro year at Princeton, with rumors of swing issues (I don't know how accurate they are). He still has raw power though. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=sale--001jos)
Ryan Brett: A third round pick from the 2010 draft, Brett performed well during his first year. He has a good all around game, but his defense at 2B needs work. If he has to move, CF would probably be the spot. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=brett-001rya)
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Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
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No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 8, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
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I AM THE MONSTER - The big SCARY monsta
by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Russ Canzler, Jeff Malm, Ty Morrison, Granden Goetzman and Lenny Linsky ...
… are the next 5 not in the rotation on my board.
correct
After that I’m honestly torn. I love Dietrich but I’m concerned about his BB/K numbers, obviously. Markel is basically all scouting reports at this point. I’m still a Josh Sale believer. And then there’s wildcard Oscar Hernandez. I think I’m down to one of those four guys.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
maybe
I think Brett’s upside is limited by the facts that a) he’s 5’8" without an outstanding hit tool and b) he was drafted as a 2B (and reportedly isn’t good at that), which dings his athleticism. If he was a SS prospect it would be a no-brainer, but I just don’t like his ceiling as a 2B/LF.
Brett's fallback option is 2B.
Dude is sneaky fast. Look at his SB numbers.
Besides that, he has some power and has displayed a very good K/BB ratio. With this in mind, his hit tool should be above average to plus.
BJ had the athleticism; he came up as a SS
he just didn’t have the hands
No idea. Arm strength? Size? Blocked?
I’ve defs seen reports that say he could play CF. Let me look.
says he played SS in HS here:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8003697&topic_id=8080130
Ryan Brett – SS
Highline HS, Wash., Sr.
Birthdate: 10/9/91
Height: 5’9"
Weight: 170 lbs.
Bats: Both
Throws: Right
Scout’s report filed: 5/3/10
Game(s): Hazen HS
Scouting Report
Hitting ability: Brett has shown the knack for consistently making hard contact. He sprays line drives to all fields and has the chance to have an above-average bat. He just started switch-hitting and is already showing some aptitude with it.
Power: He won’t have a ton of power, but he’s stronger than you’d think and does have some pop.
Running speed: He is an above-average runner.
Base running: He knows what he’s doing on the basepaths and is a base-stealing threat.
Arm strength: He has a solid-average arm.
Fielding: He’s an average defender at shortstop now. If he were to move to second, he could be above-average there.
Range: His range is okay at shorstop, and he probably could stay there, though he’d be better on the other side of second.
Physical Description: Brett is an undersized, stocky, muscle-bound scrappy type, kind of a speedier version of Dustin Pedroia with less power.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: Chance for above-average hitting skills. Good runner with leadoff and base-stealing capabilities. Plays the game aggressively.
Weaknesses: He’s not the biggest guy in the world and doesn’t have a ton of power. He might need to move to second base.
Summary: Brett has kind of flown under the radar, partially because of his size and perhaps because he plays in the Pacific Northwest. He could be a real steal as a scrappy leadoff type with excellent hitting skills from both sides of the plate. He runs well and can steal bases. While he’s okay at shortstop, he could be an above-average defender if he moves over to second. The obvious comparison is with Dustin Pedroia, though Brett is faster and shows a little less pop. Still, he is the type, like the Red Sox star, who could exceed the expectations put upon him because of his size.
Andy Seiler:
He complements his hit tool with plus to plus-plus speed that he uses very aggressively on the basepaths. He could potentially steal 30 or more bases a year with his aggressiveness and speed, the style of game he loves to play. Defensively, scouts are much less sure about his tools. His arm is average, but not quite good enough to stick at shortstop. Some scouts envision him in center field in the long run, while others want to turn him into a second baseman. In center, he could have above-average range and become a defensive asset, though it might take awhile to reach that point.
http://www.mlbbonusbaby.com/2010/7/15/1570659/3-98-tampa-bay-rays-ryan-brett-2b
BA Top Appy League prospects:
10. RYAN BRETT 2B, PRINCETON RAYS
Age: 19. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 5-9. Wt.: 180. Drafted: HS—Burien, Wash., 2010 (3).
Brett hit .303 in his pro debut in the Gulf Coast League a year ago, but the Rays kept him in Rookie ball so he could refine his defensive play at the keystone. He handled more chances than any Appy League second baseman but also committed the most errors (18) because his hands and arm strength rate as fringe-average. To his credit, Brett improved his double-play pivot and possesses the requisite quickness to play up the middle.
Despite his diminutive stature—he’s probably closer to 5-foot-4 than his listed height—Brett drew few criticisms for his potential as a top-of-the-order pest. “I’ve learned over the years that these kids will fool you,” Holmberg said. “If they have heart, desire and the right chemistry, they’ll surprise you. Players like Brett will filter their way as high up as they can.”
Brett toyed with switch-hitting as a high school senior but has abandoned it as a pro. No matter. Managers universally liked his compact, repeatable righthanded swing and trusted that his knowledge of the strike zone would enable him to continue as a solid-average to plus hitter. Only Pulaski’s Jamal Austin struck out less frequently than Brett, who fanned once every 11.3 plate appearances.
Stronger than he looks, Brett can juice the ball occasionally despite below-average power. He has plus speed and knows how to pick his spots to steal bases. Brett ranked third in the league with 21 steals (in 24 attempts) and with 22 doubles, demonstrating his gap power and ability on the bases
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2011/2612383.html
BA Draft Profile:
Brett is a throwback player who’s fun to watch. He’s always dirty, doesn’t wear batting gloves and is a sparkplug who always plays at full speed. For most of the year he tried to switch-hit, but he reverted back to his natural righthanded swing as the draft drew near. He has a knack for getting the barrel on the ball, though sometimes he tries to play bigger than he is and scouts said they would like to see him embrace small ball. Brett is smallish at 5-foot-9 and 180 pounds, but he works out regularly with Josh Sale and is strong. Scouts are split on where he’ll play defensively. Some believe he’ll be able to stay at second base, while others say his actions are too choppy and the game will be too fast for him there. He’s an above-average runner and could be an above-average defender in center field. The speed also makes him a terror on the basepaths, and some scouts think that if he fulfilled his commitment to Gonzaga that he could bat better than .400 and steal 40-50 bases a season. In professional ball, his ceiling would be a .285 hitter with about 12 home runs and 20 stolen bases a season. He’ll likely be drafted around the third round and is considered signable.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/draft/drrpt/?y=2010&pl_id=91700&phs=junreg
nice work
happy to be persuaded a player is better than I thought he was.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 10, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Why are we down on Sale again?
- His results weren’t good
- ?
- ?
Did the scouting report change? Does being 20 already take away any ARL excuse?
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
the scouting reports werent great, but i take that w/ a grain of salt.
the results were poor, and in short-season ball the scouts with sounding boards dont get too many looks. the biggest issue to me is his bat HAS to carry him, and he was supposedly a pretty polished hitter. maybe there were injury issues?
They did change
The raw power tool is the same, but the hit tool is a lot lower now that more scouts have gotten to see his swing.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Josh Sale over Colome how exactly?
Both his statistics and his scouting reports have been terrible. He has some raw tools, but the hole in his swing is so massive that most don’t seem to have much hope that it can be fixed.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Or even Hager for that matter
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
wait
Where have you seen reports that Sale has a “massive” swing that “can’t be fixed”?
I agree that Sale takes a step back based on his crappy 2011, but I think you’re dinging him way too much here.
I remember seeing Sickels talk about those concerns
And the concerns about the swing were there when he was drafted too – check reports from BA, Rotoworld, BP, etc. He’s been under team control for well over a year now, including three months in EST, and reports are that it’s gotten worse, not better. An 18 year old hitter getting exposure to professional hitting coaches for the first time should improve, not regress, which raises some big red flags, especially when the kid is a workhorse and it’s not for lack of trying.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
power?
I know some folks were tossing around “potential five-tool talent” to describe Hager after the draft, but nothing I’ve seen suggests that he’s got any raw power. If that’s the case, I can’t place him just outside the top 10 until I’ve seen a lot more from him defensively.
Don't you go offending my favorite draftee.
Legit 80 grade power. Almost as good as Kotchmans. Maybe if he made the same faces (they look quite alike) he could rip the ball like Kotchman.
That's what she said.
this isn't DRB
you don’t get a free pass for acting like a douchebag.
Derp
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