The Rays Tank: Marlins Continue To Go Nuts, Rays Riding The Waves
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 AM EST
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The big story from the Winter Meeting has undoubtedly been the Miami Marlins' unprecedented shopping spree. After signing Heath Bell and Jose Reyes, they were the frontrunners to get Albert Pujols until around mid-morning yesterday. Once the tide started to turn back to the Cardinals, the Marlins switched gears...hard. They signed Mark Buehrle to a 4 year, $58 million deal, and they reportedly still have a six year deal on the table to C.J. Wilson. And if they miss out on Wilson? Yeah, they'll probably go after Prince Fielder.
Are they nuts? Maybe. But they have a chance to be a competitive team for the next number of years, and maybe this will finally get their franchise turned in the right direction. We'll have to see.
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The Rays continued to be quiet yesterday, and it's looking more and more likely that they won't make a move during the Winter Meetings this year. Topkin even notes that they are unlikely to select anyone in the Rule 5 draft this morning, so that's somewhat of a bummer. Even if the players taken in the Rule 5 draft rarely pay off, it makes for a fun diversion. Oh well.
Judging by how much the Rays appear to be talking with other teams, though, it does appear that they have at least one or two potential trades in the work. We'll just have to continue to be patient.
In other news, last night Scott Kazmir took his first step towards returning to the big leagues: he pitched in the Dominican Winter League. The only problem is, he apparently didn't do so well. He walked a couple batters and didn't strike anyone out, which sounds all too familiar at this point.
Rays Digest has started up their Top 50 list of Rays prospects, so be sure to follow along (here's #33 Grayson Garvin). Rays Prospects has also been releasing their individual Top 30 lists, and it's endlessly entertaining to see who likes what players and who thinks such-and-such is overrated. Here are the lists that are currently out: Scott, Jake, and BurGi.
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Pujols to the Angels, 10 years/$250-260MM
that now gives them three first basemen….
eh
I’m not a huge Trumbo fan (OBP is Life!), but he’s better than Russ Canzler. And Morales used to be so good.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
His MiLB walk-rates are decent, and he could improve in that regard.
His power is legit, though. I had absolutely no interest in him going in to the offseason, but if the price is right!
Now that's an exciting possibility.
Oh man.
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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Then another team offering more money than the Rays is a real possibility.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
wouldn't it make more sense to try and acquire him via trade before he was non-tendered?
by Ryan Gilliss on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
if for no reason other than a team like the Rays would be willing to part with a low level high upside prospect...
to acquire him
by Ryan Gilliss on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
First thing I thought
when I heard about Pujols.
Get.Morales.now.
rather than non-tender, I'd trade a C prospect for him just to make sure we got him
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Is he a FA after the year?
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
to me, things look to be shaping up perfectly for the rays' brass.
there’s a glut of young, controllable decent 1b available. there’ll be even more if fielder signs with seattle or florida.
Strong possibility that Prince signs with one of those two teams.
As a baseball fan, I think it’s kind of sad Pujols is leaving StL. As a Rays fan, this is huge.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
"there’s a glut of young, controllable decent 1b available."
Like who? Not snark, legitimately would like to see some names
Vroom vroom party starter
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by Imperialism32 on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
LoMo, Smoak
Maybe Cron as Maniac said. Kendrys too, if you say he falls under “young and controlled”
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
focus on what he can do
I wouldn’t target Trumbo. OBP is Life. But I would certainly take him for pennies on the dollar.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think I'd trade Niemann, Davis, Cobb, Torres, Archer, etc for him.
If he was non-tendered and signed for next to nothing, sure. Still, YUCK.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't trade any of those guys for him, no.
But I think the Rays could put together a couple of C+ guys (Riefenhauser and Lobstein? I’m just picking names here) that would make the Angels happy and would represent fair value.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Then you gotta think they could get more for him than the package you suggest.
His HR and RBI total will increase his value. IMO, he’d cost much more than Kendrys.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
maybe
that’s why I hedged with the ‘pennies on the dollar’ comment. I agree that if a truly dumb GM sees Trumbo and thinks “young future superstar” and not “26-year-old masher with questionable plate discipline,” then yeah, I don’t want to be a part of that bidding war.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Cron can't be traded yet, I'm reasonably sure..
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The Marlins guys, Yonder, Trumbo, maybe Smoak, the Mets guys...
I feel like there are more too. Give me a few.
The Mets guys
They now have three who are all qualified to be starters
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
How about Mike Carp from Seattle ?
Even without Prince signing he is blocked. I like Smoak better of course but Carp can hit and play a passable 1st base and has less than 1 year service time. I don`t believe that it would take much to get him either.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carpmi01.shtml
and MiLB
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=carp—001chr
by Moore Guerreri and Cheese on Dec 9, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder how much it would take to net CJ Cron.
Prospect for prospect deal, maybe? I know he could DH, but teams don’t really like moving guys to DH so early, even if they should.
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Want want want.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
you guys know how badly I wanted him
seeing how I drafted him in Sickels’ mock.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Drafted last year, so he can be PTBNL in January only?
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Crap.
I fogot about that. Still, that would be a cool PTBNL.
It isn’t like Cron is that far away. Could be with the Rays by 2013-2014.
And by last year, I mean this year
Last season is what I meant. :P
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I've always thought it was a year and a day
unless the new CBA changed things
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think he can't be part of any trade as a PTBNL until 6 months after his signing...
I believe they would still have to wait another 6 months until he could be “named”
by Ryan Gilliss on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
the way it works is you have to be under contract for a year before you can be traded.
The PTBNL status has 6 months to be resolved, so you’d have to wait 6 months and 1 day to make the trade to include him.
yes, that's what I was trying to get across
by Ryan Gilliss on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't it be wise to offer anything (even cash)
He, in arb., would cost only around .5 million or so. That is incredibly cheap to what I believe he would get in the free agent market.
Interesting.
He is a strange prospect. Looked like such a legit hitter and then dissapreared into horribleness.
he's been cooked. he's essentially JOC if JOC had terrible defense and and sustained his garbage results for 3 years in the upper minors.
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Also, LOL @ Kazmir's winter league debut.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 AM EST reply actions
It's really sad. He was at one time , The Man.
by Peter Piontek on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
He gave Rays fans some hope when there was none.
by Peter Piontek on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
gave you something to watch. you never knew might happen.
i was sure hed throw a no-no one day because there were days where his stuff was just unhittable.
I remember only being able to watch the Rays when he pitched.
Fossum, Seo and the rest of the staff were literally unwatchable.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
I’d still like to sign him to a minor league deal and hope we could convert him to the pen after lots of fixing.
by Peter Piontek on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I was at Camden Yards
when Kaz leaned out of the dugout to buy cotton candy from the vendor. Truly hilarious moment, and if J.P. Howell is non-tendered, I’m afraid we’ll never see it again.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
LETS GET MORALES
His contract isn’t that bad!
So THIS is what AF and Moreno were discussing...
Um Morales!
Angels seems to need 4th and 5th SP
Or maybe just 5th after CJ signs.
but I like the idea of trading for Trout!
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
You really want to add some pop...
Trade BJ and Shields to the Marlins for Logan Morrison, Gaby Sanchez and Hanley Ramirez. This fills needs and adds some oomph to the lineup.
trades like this never happen.
you don’t swap 2 above-average MLers for 3 above average MLers, even if it’s equivalent value.
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I think Reynolds is their 1B in 2012
They really need pitching
would like to see Reynolds here as a 1B
and word is that the O’s are open to trading him.
by AndrewTorrez on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
And not mentioned here yet is that the Houston hired Jeff Luhnow As General Manager
He’s the Cards’ RJ Harrison or something. So bad day for them.
YESSIR
ok, no more caps
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure it did
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
http://twitter.com/#!/Joelsherman1/statuses/144807265420066816
#Angels have completed deal with CJ Wilson as well, an ewxec who talked to Angels this morning told me
by Ben Tumbling on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, where is this money coming from?
I know they have a big TV deal coming…
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
their yearly TV revenue is increasing by 100M
by Ryan Gilliss on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Watch out. First it was Antoinelli and now Eveland.
Duquette is building a monster!
by Peter Piontek on Dec 8, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
El Oh El
Well I guess pujols was right, he’s not "el hombre" because Stan wouldn’t do this.
That said thank god we didn’t spend that much
And in a way good for him he got paid and is in a good situation
Get healthy soon Mr. Craig
by jealousblues on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions
Can't wait till the birthers prove Pujols is actually 35 yo
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by sternfan1 on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
love a birthers reference, thanks sterno
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Not possible
Pujols was constructed in a lab late in 1996…some sort of military experiment.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 8, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
So he's only 15?
25-year contract please.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
fwiw
mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
RT @susanslusser: The teams most likely to land Josh Willingham: #Twins, #Indians and #Rockies.
killin em today
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I did hear on the radio that Friedman has several things lined up
Which means nothing cause Friedman never leaks anything
by Dome Biscuit on Dec 8, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
el oh el:
@DKnobler
DKnobler
Angels are telling teams: We’re not trading anyone. They say Trumbo can DH, play 3B
I'm hoping
Why would they not trade/NT him?
it's over
by Ryan Gilliss on Dec 8, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
So we still have Fleming after the Rule 5? When is the Starlin deal going down?
Or maybe Cobb/Flem for LoMo?
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looking at their team, it seems rp or back-end starter are needs.
not sure id trade a sp for him, and we dont have rps to spare. that means spects id guess. should be lower end guys (maybe a couple from the 15-30 range)? no idea though really.
I would be too because I think he could be a important part of the pen
but he could be a very sexy piece for them as they could use some help in their pen.
hmmmm........I'm not sure.....the Dodgers seem ok
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention stealing Capuano for, what, 10 million?
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously Moore will spend the next 3 years in Durham, so prob not
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Who would we want from the Rangers? Gotta think they're either trading for one or posting for Darvish.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 12:59 PM EST reply actions
Not related to us but
Garza for Martin Perez. Who says no?
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
They might trade Elvis with Profar coming up
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 8, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Profar is ~2 yrs away.
Doubt that.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 8, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Meh. I don't like the idea of trading Shields to an AL team.
Or any of our pitchers, for that matter.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well, my thinking is they need a #1 starter.
I doubt they are looking to trade for Davis or Niemann
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Niemann
He’s been tied to them because he’s from Texas etc
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 8, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
But are they looking for a #3 starter in a trdae right now?
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
trade*
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
If they are seriously going after Prince, I can see them trading Moreland
But at the moment, they lost Wilson and need top of the rotation pitching.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Talent goes both ways in any trade
And in trades the Rays make, it generally comes in greater quantities to us than away from us.
I’m glad we made the Kaz trade with LA and robbed them of a good pitching spec and perhaps the best utility player in all of baseball
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 8, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
After Prince takes his cash, i suspect the 1B position will start falling like dominoes
Rays need to let the market come to them
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who's looking for a 1B, and of what is available, how many outside of Fielder is an upgrade over what a team currently has?
Tampa, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Chicago (NL), Seattle, and possibly Florida, St. Louis, and Texas.
Florida, St. Louis and Texas my guess would only upgrade if it nets them Fielder, otherwise I think they’ll go with internal options. Same goes with Seattle probably giving Smoak another year.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh are not big spenders. Milwaukee I still think is a darkhorse for Pena. But at this point they appear to be interested in upgrading 3B (Aramis Ramirez) and inserting Matt Gamel into the lineup at 1B.
Just looking at potential options, there are two major “if’s” that need to go in the Rays favor in order to have a shot at bringing back Pena. #1 – Milwaukee signs Ramirez. #2 – Chicago moves on and doesn’t try to resign Pena.
If those two moves happen, Rays are competing with Cleveland and Pittsburgh, and that’s a much better financial bracket to be competing with.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 8, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Moreland
I think we match up well with Texas.Davis for Moreland and then Candler can hit vs righties
by gatrmf on Dec 8, 2011 1:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This sort of reminds me of New York's spending binge after they missed the playoffs in 08
Sabathia is better than Wilson but Pujols is much, much better than Teixeira
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 8, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions
shooting for the stars a bit
but I’m still hoping we can maybe work something out with the Marlins in a Shields/Hanley swap. Zoby/Longo/Hanley 3-4-5 looks pretty good.
Friedman just loves being different than most GM's
I think he makes a trade(Yonder) and a signing(Damon) this week. Just wouldn’t do it during the winter meetings like most teams did.
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For some reason I get the feeling
that if the Rays dont get Yonder, you would be devastated. You keep talking about him over and over again.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Angels spent more in one day for two players than what $tu paid for the Rays
I say the odds are greater than 70% that both deals (Pujols, Wilson) come back to bite them in the ass.
Any predictions on how many DL trips Reyes makes?
Dallas can now be known where all the brightest and best stupid signings take place (A-Rod, Mike Hampton, B.J. Ryan, A.J. Burnett, etc)
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 8, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions
Prince Fielder is the only big time FA unsigned
Rays could probably afford anyone else left if they wanted to, right? Well, I guess Darvish would be a no also.
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Earlier today, David Price jokingly tweeted Marc Topkin
saying “when are the Rays gonna lock up that Price guy?”
Maybe it’s wishful thinking. No, it IS wishful thinking but I think he was only partly kidding.
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Takes two to tango there
If I’m Price’s agent, I’m not letting him do anything like that. His open market value would be very strong
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by Jason Collette on Dec 8, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
He could be one of the few that while money will always matters, he just really wants to stay.
He’s under control for 4 more years so a 5 year deal doesn’t do much but the longer we wait to extend him, the more it will cost.
Would he do 5 years/60 mils with the Rays favorite things, options? Would we?
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Price willing to talk about it is a good sign, no?
Now that he’s entering arb…maybe a Josh Johnson comparable (4yrs, 40 million) would be adequate? Now all that does is buy out his arb years, and without any free agency years, there is not much incentive for the Rays to do that…so perhaps 4/40 with a club 5th yr option for 15 mil or 4 mil buyout, putting it at either 4/44 or 5/55?
that said, I’m probably way too low. But to make it worth the Rays while, it would have to at least be a 5 yr deal.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 8, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
There is incentive in that deal
Whether it’s here or somewhere else, David will make more than 40 million over the next 4 years.
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From MLBTR
The Rays are open-minded about listening to trade offers, even for players like James Shields or Jeremy Hellickson, tweets Jon Heyman of MLB Network. However, they’d need a very large return for their high-end pitchers.
One that caught my attention was Hellickson. Personally I hate it. I would trade Shields way before Helly, and Shields could net us what we need now anyway. Sorry if this was posted but after looking through I hadn’t seen it.
Are you saying you personally hate that we would listen to trade offers?
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm fairly confident you know what I meant when I said "I hate it."
by Snarfalicious on Dec 8, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Then no, I don't understand what you hate about that.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Basically I just don't like the idea of potentially trading Helly right now
Even if it’s just listening, I was thinking if it had come to trading him. I don’t think I’d be on board with that when Shields could net us what we need and I’d be much quicker to trade him.
by Snarfalicious on Dec 8, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Understood.
I don’t like the idea of trading anyone of that caliber either, but I think we should be listening on anything, just in case we get a stupid good offer.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder what kind of deal it would take to pull Hellickson away
by Snarfalicious on Dec 8, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Attempting to create a deal around the Reds...
Devin Mesoraco would have to be included in my mind, but what else could we feasibly receive along with him?
by Snarfalicious on Dec 8, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Very true...
And Mesoraco is about as sure a thing as you’re going to find in a prospect catcher.
by Snarfalicious on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
A big, big one
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by sc_monsta1015 on Dec 8, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are probably right about that...
And in both cases they are overvalued, but I’m one that believes Helly should probably get better as he matures in the ML’s with his stuff and makeup.
by Snarfalicious on Dec 8, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
but we have so much control left on him and he has the potential to develop even further.
to quote sf1, at a certain point you stop building for the future. let’s worry about trading hellickson after he’s arb-ready or would bring back mlb-ready talent.
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Rangers might be a team in the need of pitching
Shields for Profar, Olt and Alfaro
rangers never do that.
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I'll be interesting to see who TEX signs
They can upgrade only SP or 1B
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
18 years of control for 3, and that's 2 of their best guys
That’s not going to pass a sniff test in Texas.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 8, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I never agreed on "untouchable"
What if we got offered Hosmer, Moose, Myers and Perez for Longoria? You say no because it’s Longo?
I don’t wanna lose Helly or Shields either but Friedman will make a good enough trade if he does trade them.
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that trade makes zero sense.
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It's not supposed to make sense
The bottom line is no one is truly untouchable because if a team blows you away, you gotta make the trade, even if you are losing your star.
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I would say no because for a team with a payroll as low as ours, a player who is as valuable and cheap as Longoria is better than the other half of the deal
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 8, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention it's 5yrs of age 26-30 production
Almost impossible to get full value for that
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
Man, I still forget he's so young
Ok, bad example but no one can really see a return that would be good enough for Hellickson?
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I'm all for trading Hellickson if the package is right
Personally I was hoping hoping we could pull off a Hellickson for Trout deal but I think the signing of CJ makes that unlikely. I’m not as high on the big narwhal as most but I still like him a good deal
by benderbrodriguez on Dec 8, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you
Hellickson is pretty damn good and he finds a way to make even the best hitters look stupid but his location needs to perfect. He tops out at 92 mph and his change doesn’t have much depth. His accuracy needs to be better than Rodgers to have him be great. He’s not like Moore, he can get away with mistakes.
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Only way I'd trade Helly if I was blown away...
Trout would be that deal in my opinion. Mesoraco would probably be the other option. Both would present huge upgrades in our lineups. Would you then trade BJ Upton to make room for Trout or do you stand pat with the most athletic OF in baseball?
by Snarfalicious on Dec 8, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that would be really hard to give up by trading Upton away...
I mean, 3 Centerfielders roaming your outfield and each should end up w/ 35+ Stolen bases at the end of the year. Trout may not have the typical RF arm, but I would overlook that in a heartbeat with his offensive potential, SB, and speed in the outfield.
by Snarfalicious on Dec 8, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
We saw a little example of it in September 2010
There was a few games where it was CC – BJ – DJ
but a full season of Jennings – Upton – Trout? Good lord.
PS: If we traded for him, he would be in Durham with Moore and we all know it.
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The fantasy-league view on some of these trades needs to be checked
Trout has more years of control and is the 2nd best prospect in all of baseball & is going to be amazing. Hellickson has already cashed in a year of control and doesn’t have the look/durability of a 210+ IP staff ace. 5 tool middle of the order run producers in their prime are rarely dealt before FA status and if they are, it is for staff aces.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Well, 189 IP as a rookie is a good start.
Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!
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