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Should the Rays Pursue Morales or Trumbo?

Unless you live under a rock you already know that the Angels have signed Albert Pujols to a $250M deal. The deal was a bit shocking for multiple reasons and one of those reasons was that the Angels already have two first basemen.

This move most likely means that one of the existing first basemen will move to DH but the Angels already have Bobby Abreu there, creating an even bigger logjam for a non-position. This means that the Angels may be willing to listen to offers on either one of their former first basemen.

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The Angels have talked about moving Mark Trumbo to 3B but he has never even played a single inning there. I find it highly unlikely he makes the transition at all, let alone successfully.

Trumbo does have five years of control left, two of which are at the league minimum salary. He possesses big time power that should yield 30 homeruns annually and his glove is above average and he is a big target for infielders to throw to. But, Trumbo comes with many holes in his game.

Trumbo has never shown a lot of patience, even in the minors. In the minors he only had two out of six seasons with a walk rate higher than 6.6% and posted a horribly low 4.4% walk rate last season. The low walk rate lead to an abysmal .291 OBP which is unacceptable for a first baseman. In fact, Trumbo has only posted an OBP above .333 once in seven professional seasons. Unaceptable.

Kendrys Morales missed all of last year due to a broken ankle that occurred while jumping on home plate. We all know the story. He had a second surgery back in June to clear out scar tissue and bone spurs and that usually takes six months to rehab, lending one to believe he will be ready to play around Spring Training.

Morales is arbitration eligible and MLB Traderumors predicts a salary of $2.8M in 2012. That is very affordable even if his recovery time is a bit longer than normal.

Before the injury, Morales hit .302/.353/.548 over his last 833 plate appearances since 2009. Morales also fields his position quite well with a +18.6 UZR in 2343.1 career innings at first base.

Morales, like Trumbo, has patience issues but he also possesses a much better hit tool and better idea of the strike zone. His lack of patience is not due to a lack of discipline, unlike of Trumbo.

There is some concern over how soon Morales will be ready. Angels manager Mike Scioscia skirted around the issue by saying "the doctors really have no way of knowing, and we have no way of knowing until you get out there and start to do the things you need to do to play first base at the major-league level and swing the bat and run the bases."

If I am the Rays I stay away from Trumbo. The Angels will try and value him highly due to his contract control, youth, and raw power. The Rays won't fall for it. He is barely a league average hitter at a position that demands much more.

Morales is considered, by some, to be a non-tender candidate and I cannot imagine, if true, that it would take a whole lot to acquire him. I feel this is the perfect buy-low option for the Rays and they should consider Morales now before someone else does or he is non-tendered.

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both are really out of our hands, IMO

With Morales, the concern is medicals, and none of us are in a good position to evaluate it. I would say that if the Rays acquire Morales, that would be a good sign, since the Rays’ medical staff is pretty much unparalleled in MLB. But I can’t say that they should go get Morales, because it’s possible he’s done.

With Trumbo, the concern is that while he’s a valuable player, he’s the kind of player that tends to be overrated. So in the abstract, I think the Rays and Angels ought to be a good fit, but you can’t tell if the Angels are going to be pitching Trumbo as equivalent to, say, Logan Morrison.

by AndrewTorrez on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

I had a hard time finding any solid medical information on Morales and no one seems to be answering legitimately. The only thing I found was that the clean up surgery he underwent in June takes about 6 months to rehab so he should be ready to do baseball things in Jan. But, we don’t know how well his rehab has been.

I do not want Trumbo and mention the same reasons you do. He will be overvalued.

by jcmitchell on Dec 9, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree about Morales, disagree about Trumbo.

It’s possible that he’ll be overrated, but yesterday the rumor was that Oakland was essentially going to get him for Andrew Bailey. I’d be in for Trumbo at the right price, and I’d be willing to give up on of our trio of tradeable pitchers to do it.

If the price gets outrageous, then yeah, back down. But I think the opposite might be true: people might shy away from him due to his walk rate (and therefore, his riskier future and upside), and the Rays might be able to get him for a decent deal.

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I heard that rumor but it just didn't make sense to me.

Trumbo is not the type of guy the A’s go after. I would definitely take him in the right deal but I’d definitely balk at Davis or Cobb for Trumbo.

by jcmitchell on Dec 9, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh, the A's are after undervalued players. Not necessarily just those with high OBPs.

We’re highly biased in the saber community against players with low walk rates, but at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter how a player contributes value. 3.0 WAR is 3.0 WAR, you know?

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by Steve Slowinski on Dec 9, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

But can he produce 3 WAR again with the glaring hole in his game? I just would not give up Davis or Cobb for him. Can’t do it.

by jcmitchell on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

If he's a 2 WAR player

He’s still worth more than Davis coming out of the bullpen

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by Brickhaus on Dec 9, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Another 1st baseman that might be feeling the roster squeeze

Maybe I’m thinking to deep into the world of speculation, but the Giants have traded for two outfielders in the last month or so: Melky Cabrera, and more recently, Angel Pagan. That gives them an outfield of Cabrera in left, Pagan in center, and Schierholtz in right. That shifts Huff to first base, where he probably belongs defensively given the outfield dimensions of San Francisco’s ballpark. Does leave Brandon Belt available, or do they conceivably split four positions five ways? I know that what the Rays have to offer is what the Giants also carry a surplus in, namely pitching. That creates an extra hurdle in the transaction I suppose, but it seems that Belt is a man without a position at the moment.

As for the Angels first basemen, I trust the Rays training staff to make the judgement on Morales. The man obviously has talent. With Trumbo though I’m just very skeptical of the plate discipline. If he’s made available I imagine that if the Rays made an offer it wouldn’t be the strongest one on the table.

by Win-cicum on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

Huff looked absolutely awful out there, though

but that’s probably just my coveting Brandon Belt.

by AndrewTorrez on Dec 9, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

thou shalt not covet thy other team's 1B prospect

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by pudieron89 on Dec 9, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Then they put Belt in LF.

They will get Belt the at-bats. Hopefully the Giants want a SP since we just locked Moore up and have a few available. =)

by jcmitchell on Dec 9, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd love Belt

But I doubt the Giants trade him. Much more likely to trade us Huff while eating his contract.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 9, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Morales for Niemann

Or Trumbo for Davis. Nothing more for either player.

We should ask the Angels if they have any more Napoli type players to trade?

by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

this is awesome!

and even more reason I’m convinced Davis/Niemann gets moved because Rays have no motivation to keep Moore in the minors.

by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 9, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

is this about moore?!

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by pudieron89 on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd pass on both

Trumbo is an out machine. He’s never shown patience or discipline at the plate.

Sure, he has some raw power. When he gets ahold of one it really flies. But of all the MLB players who hit 29 or more HR last year, only Bruce and Uggla had lower SLGs and none of them had his 291 OBP, with only Hardy and Uggla within 20 points of it. It’s not a BABIP/luck issue, or park effects, or anything more than, to me, the simple fact that Mark Trumbo just isn’t a very complete baseball player. If I needed someone for a home run derby, I’d consider him, but he’s not worth a roster spot, especially in the competitive ecology of the AL East.

Morales, it’s not just the healing of the injury, but that he’s missed over a year and a half in the latter part of his 20s. As a cheap risk for a year or two, he’s fine, but I wonder if Morales would provide much improvement over Russ Canzler in 2012 at about 4X the salary, and I’m leaning toward no. I think they could run Canzler out at 1B next year and get the same they’d get from Morales. So I’d rather, if Davis or Niemann or Cobb or other is going to be dealt, that the Rays get some kind of material upgrade at a spot where they have the most need and no internal option that’s nearly as good.

by themiddle54 on Dec 9, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

I think Morales is a no-brainer, assuming we hedge our bets

The Rays have two “openings” for big bat no glove guys. I’d like to see one of them filled by someone who is healthy and that we know will produce to at least some degree (Joyce, Damon, Alonso, etc.) and I’d be fine with us acquiring Morales on the cheap (if possible) and letting the other opening be filled by whoever does best out of the relative unknowns (Morales, Canzler, etc.)

by benderbrodriguez on Dec 9, 2011 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

Davis for Davis

How about Wade Davis for Ike Davis. The Mets seem ready to deal with everyone being available except David Wright.

by Rayon on Dec 9, 2011 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

I guess the positive for them...

Solid, young starter, who would probably really benefit from not having to face a DH. And, he is under team control through 2014 with options through 2017. That has to be intriguing for a team who is building for the future.

But what’s the status of Ike’s ankle injury? I’d love to see that pop in the lineup for sure. And reports said that the Rays were looking for a left-handed bat with power. Ike Davis fits the bill there.

by Snarfalicious on Dec 9, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

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