Legacy Tale of the Tape: Carl Crawford vs. Delmon Young
It is hard to dispute that Carl Crawford has made the biggest in-uniform contribution in Rays franchise history, but newly-anointed Friend of the Site PlayOnWords recently raised an interesting question:
When its all said and done, who will be more important to this franchise: Delmon Young or Carl Crawford?
Obviously what he is referring to is the legacy of the Friedman-crafted Delmon Young trade string. It's worth a look to see where the two sides stand today, and what "History" (this is what I call the tag team of Victor Wang and Sky Kalkman) tells us to expect going forward.
Let's start with Carl Crawford. Including his signing bonus, Carl Crawford earned $32.32 million from the Tampa Bay organization while producing 34.5 Wins Above Replacement over a 9 year period. If we a assume the value of a win in free agency at $4 million-per-win, Crawford produced at a surplus value of $105.68 million.
(34.5 x 4) - (32.32)= 105.68
Value of Performance - Value Paid = Surplus Value
Furthermore the Rays earned the 24th ($5.2 million) and 38th pick ($2.6 million) in the 2011 draft as compensation for losing Carl Crawford in free agency. This brings the expected surplus value of Crawford and his legacy to $113.43 million.
Delmon Young completed one full season in a Devil Rays uniform producing 0.1 WAR, but managed to earn $5.1 million over his organizational stay. This is a quick deficit value of -$4.7 million. The trade shipping out Young, Brendan Harris and Jason Pridie would soon change that. From 2008-10 Matt Garza and Jason Bartlett combined for 15.2 WAR while earning $10.4 million, netting a surplus value of $50.4 million.
Now all that's left is to estimate the surplus value of the nine fresh branches of the tree that were acquired this offseason for Bartlett and Garza. Going back to the work of Wang and Kalkman, we derive the following expected values for each player acquired. I used Keith Law's Top 100 to determine which players were in the top 50 pitchers and hitters, and John Sickels' player grades for the remaining players. Any player no longer a prospect or not listed is treated as a C prospect.
| Player | Age | Grade | Value$ |
| Chris Archer | #20 Pitcher | 15.9 | |
| Hak Ju-lee | #25 Hitter | 25.1 | |
| Sam Fuld | 29 | Unlisted | 0.5 |
| Brandon Guyer | 25 | B | 5.5 |
| Robinson Chirinos | 27 | C | 0.5 |
| Adam Russell | 27 | Unlisted | 1.5 |
| Cole Figueroa | 23 | C | 0.5 |
| Cesar Ramos | 26 | Unlisted | 1.5 |
| Brandon Gomes | 26 | C | 1.5 |
If we adjust for the losses of Zach Russcup (a generous C rating $2.1 Mill, and Fernando Perez and a PTBNL (Ruggiano-type assumed at $.5 each) that leaves the expected value of this group at $49.4 million.
So Delmon + Bartlett & Garza + Prospect Fallout = -4.7 + 50.4 + 49.4 = $95.1 million from the Delmon Young string.
A few other factors to consider:
- Carl Crawford averaged $11.74 million / year in surplus value over his nine years.
- Delmon's Legacy (Bartlett & Garza) averaged $16.8 million in surplus value over three years (6 seasons).
- Crawford's compensation picks currently have no professional experience meaning there is a very fair chance neither will extend Crawford's string.
- WIth nine players at the end of Delmon Young's string there is a much greater chance of string extension. This is unaccounted for in the calculations above.
Presently Carl Crawford's legacy has an expected surplus of $113.48 million versus Delmon Young's $95.1 million. I turn to you DRB readership, which legacy do you believe will ultimately produce the most surplus value?
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Its in there
Furthermore the Rays earned the 24th ($5.2 million) and 38th pick ($2.6 million) in the 2011 draft as compensation for losing Carl Crawford in free agency. This brings the expected surplus value of Crawford and his legacy to $113.43 million.
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Its all speculative until we sign these guys and they perform
Neither of these are givens. I understand that draft picks can be valued at this stage in the game, but there will be wild variance in any model.
by GomesSweetGomes on Feb 7, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
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Unless you set an end date each player has a potential value of ∞
by GomesSweetGomes on Feb 7, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Potential. But the odds are different for each player's string to reach a certain level.
Young’s string has a much greater chance of accruing high value in the future than Crawford’s does. It’s definitely speculation at this point, but it’s also hard to forsee the two draft picks we get for Crawford working out better than Archer/Chirinos/Guyer/Fuld/Lee/Gomes/Russell combined.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 7, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, thats why I threw the poll out there
The variability is huge at any level, let alone amateur draft picks. Thats why I referred to them as expected values versus the banked production of Crawford, Bartlett, and Garza.
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Consider other kinds of surplus value
Although people rip on the Rays fan base, Carl Crawford made huge contributions to attracting people to the team, whether putting them in seats at the park, following them on TV, or wearing his jersey. It’s hard to imagine that we would have reached the playoffs two of the past three years and taken the AL East flag twice without Carl in the lineup.
I really like your analysis but it doesn’t take into account this kind of contribution that Carl made to the Rays turning a corner with the fans and the community. Same would hold for Evan Longoria. His value to the Rays far surpasses that measured by his WAR.
2008 was his worst season as a regular and we made it to the world series
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Feb 7, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Crawford didn’t turn us around.
With that being said Professor Twain, what if the players we got sell more jersey’s and bring more fans then Crawford?
Also, what has Crawford done for the community? I don’t remember him having much charity stuff. Correct me if I am wrong.
From The Humane Element by RJ Anderson
Carl Crawford
Partook in the Reading with the Rays program. Attended the Rays Community Fund Grant. Donated more than $400,000 to the Rays Baseball Foundation. Hosted “Catching up with Carl Crawford” which aims to encourage African-American youth to pursue baseball. Founded the Carl Crawford Youth Sports foundation in Houston. And continued involvement in the Rays Youth Field Renovation Program.
Well, if you're gonna count stuff that WAR dosen't measure...
How about the fact that the Rays probably wouldn’t have made the World Series without Garza’s ALCS performance, and he pitched the franchise’s first no-hitter? Crawford hasn’t done anything like that.
Value of Harris and Pridie
The trade shipping out Young, Brendan Harris and Jason Pridie would soon change that. From 2008-10 Matt Garza and Jason Bartlett combined for 15.2 WAR while earning $10.4 million, netting a surplus value of $50.4 million.
Shouldn’t the value of harris and pridie be subtracted from the total too? I know delmon was the main piece, but harris at least had significant value.
2.75 million deficit as they produced 0 WAR combined. Add thar to Delmon's value 97.85 million
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