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Rays 2011 Spring Training Statistics

The Rays 25-man roster has almost been whittled to its final form. It appears Elliot Johnson, on the merit of a Rays Spring Training record 8 steals, has -- quite literally -- stolen the bench role. Meanwhile, Casey Kotchman's strong performance thus far has caught many eyes, but not dethroned Dan Johnson at first base.

Spring Training stats are hard to come, but maybe that's a good thing. Frankly, these statistics don't matter. I think many of us remember Akinori Iwamura inaugural spring with the team. He went something like 0 for 70 billion, and then promptly began the season with a hit streak.

Well, with that caveat given, here's the 2011 spring's statistics through yesterday's 11 run drubbing.

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NOTE: I've manually calculated BABIPwOBA, and FIP. Since I originally took the data from CBS's website, I did not have IBB (for FIP and wOBA) or RBOE (for wOBA). Not that it really matters -- RBOE has a VERY small affect on wOBA, and I don't think there are usually many (if any) IBB in the spring.

Some notes:

  • First of all, it's hard to miss the BABIPs in the first baseman battle. Johnson, despite slugging .543, has an unluckily low BABIP, while Kotchman's BABIP looks pretty fortunate. This maybe played into Maddon's calculus when he proclaimed Johnson the early leader.
  • Ben Zobrist?! Man he's hit well. I feel like he's had a quiet spring, but it surely doesn't look like it from here.
  • Also, a bad BABIP hasn't hurt Kelly Shoppach's spring. I think there's little doubt his 2011 season should improve our perceptions of him.
  • Is anyone else excited about Johnny Damon and Manny Ramirez?
  • Joel Peralta and Rob Delaney have both exceeded my expectations thus far. Let's hope they keep it up.
  • And, wow, Jeff Niemann has looked pretty slick thus far. If he can keep healthy this year, he's going to be one of the best #4 starters in the AL, say I.

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I think EJ is up to 11 steals this spring after a 3 steal game yesterday (or the day prior).

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Mar 25, 2011 7:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

DO YOUR JOB WOODRUM

http://www.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2011_03_24_tbamlb_houmlb_1


BASERUNNING
SB: Johnson, E 3 (11, 2nd base off Norris/Towles, 2nd base off Norris/Towles, 3rd base off Norris/Towles)

I’m kidding. It’s hard to find spring training stats, so I’m glad you gathered these numbers up in a nice little table.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Mar 25, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't follow.

We saw last year that he has a really good power factor (PF), meaning when he puts it in play, he puts it in play hard. Also, he’s not Paul Konerko slow, so you wouldn’t expect that to hurt him either.

It might be a little low, but it won’t be .100s low.

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by BWoodrum on Mar 25, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Woody, what are the things DanJo does?

walks, HR, K and FB—all indicators of a below league average BABIP—not an indicator of a bad player

In his MLB career he hasn’t had a BABIP above 275

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by sternfan1 on Mar 25, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

A low BABIP

Makes it difficult for Maddon to put the hit and run play on with DanJo batting. Kotchman has the advantage in this regard,with his ability to hit ground balls at a vacated position player covering for a steal.The hit and run is a big weapon Joe frequently uses.

by Landlord on Mar 25, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does Maddon use the hit and run all that much?

I know we steal a lot, but I can’t think of too many times where we’ve hit and run. Maybe I’m just not noticing.

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by BWoodrum on Mar 25, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also Actually I'm wrong

The low BABIP does not drive hit and run ability, contact rate does.

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by FreeZorilla on Mar 25, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Career Contact%:

Kotch: 88.2%
Johnson: 84.2%

HUGE gap (no, not really).

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 25, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Batted ball type too

CK is a H&R specialist, if it wasn’t for his glove that might be his position listed on B-R

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by FreeZorilla on Mar 25, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Serious question: Do we know that Kotchman isn't a dead pull hitter? I haven't checked

But if he pulls more often than not, then why do we suddenly think he’s a good H&R hitter? The 2B isn’t covering the base on those plays, it’ll be putout city.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 25, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Career #s

Pulled 30%
Up the Middle 58%
Oppo 17%

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by FreeZorilla on Mar 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, seems like GIDP bait depending on where he hits it.

You want someone who hits the ball the other way for H&R and usually a RH so the runner can go first-to-third. Besides, should Kotch ever make the team, he’s going to bat in the lower third. I guess he could bat behind B.J. or Zobrist, but those guys can just steal the bag anyways.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 25, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Productive Outs

Kotchman Career 43%
MLB Avg 33%

To be fair DanJo is also 43%.

A hit would count as a success BTW, so you don’t have to make an out

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by FreeZorilla on Mar 25, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Career BABIP

Kotch: .268
Johnson: .250

Oh yeah, totally makes up for the 20-point gap in wOBA (totally does not).

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 25, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And no, it doesn't.

BABIP is just average on balls in play. That doesn’t mean it’s harder to do a hit and run or anything. This is ridiculous.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 25, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh noes, I don't think you know what BABIP is

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by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 25, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is there an easily accessible record of Niemann's 2010 ST stats?

As nice as he’s been this year, I was way more impressed last season.

And I’m super excited about Manny and Damon!

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by SandalsNoPants on Mar 25, 2011 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure about 2010 stats.

It’s hard enough to find 2011.

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by BWoodrum on Mar 25, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I figured.

I just remember thinking that he was beasting and his K/BB ratio was what I liked the most. But I could be misremembering…

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by SandalsNoPants on Mar 25, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Niemann 2010

3-0, 2.49 ERA

25.1 IP, 26 hits, 7 ER, 3 HR, 3 BB, 24 K’s 29 Groundball outs, 22 flyouts, 2 GIDP

by Jason Collette on Mar 25, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

yahoo sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/tam/schedule?view=calendar&season=2010

I’m off to work, but I’ll crunch the numbers on Niemann tonight if it isn’t done, no big. It’s more for me, anyway.

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by SandalsNoPants on Mar 25, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

This has Niemann's numbers from 2010

I was going to revisit this in a post and still may.

http://www.draysbay.com/2010/4/18/1419149/closing-the-door-on-the-spring-of

And here are three yr aggregate spring #s from 2008-2010
http://www.draysbay.com/2010/3/18/1377873/three-year-aggregate-spring

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by FreeZorilla on Mar 25, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to agree with you about Zobrist

if I could find his stats…is he up there and I’m just not seeing him?

You are probably the worst user here. I can't believe we let this jackass join the league. The chip on your shoulder is bigger than that micropenis you’re packin’.

by raysfaninminnesota on Mar 25, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, it was.

Maybe it got knocked off when Woodrum updated the stats.

by firemangreg on Mar 25, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't have been the first time i didn't see something right there, so I thought I'd double check

You are probably the worst user here. I can't believe we let this jackass join the league. The chip on your shoulder is bigger than that micropenis you’re packin’.

by raysfaninminnesota on Mar 25, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

SPT's Topkin mentioned something about Shoppach hitting lefties very well this spring

but didn’t give any stats. Do you have any idea what his numbers are vs LHP this spring?

You are probably the worst user here. I can't believe we let this jackass join the league. The chip on your shoulder is bigger than that micropenis you’re packin’.

by raysfaninminnesota on Mar 25, 2011 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I certainly hope that Joey Madds isn't using any of these numbers to make a decision
First of all, it’s hard to miss the BABIPs in the first baseman battle. Johnson, despite slugging .543, has an unluckily low BABIP, while Kotchman’s BABIP looks pretty fortunate. This maybe played into Maddon’s calculus when he proclaimed Johnson the early leader.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 25, 2011 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

The only guy who should win a job based on spring is Cruz and that’s all about health.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 25, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jose Lobaton, did you see that homer that one time

Jaso needs to nut up and get out there

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by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 25, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pun intended?

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Mar 25, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do think there were more positions where Spring mattered

Not stat lines necessarily, but a lot of these guys were new to the org particularly in the pen.

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by FreeZorilla on Mar 25, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

As i point out above DanJo has always been below league average (MLN) in BABIP

and i agree it should not play into who wins the 1B job, of which i’m clearly in support of DanJo

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by sternfan1 on Mar 25, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It appears as if Joyce will get more AB v KHP than SeanRod will v RH and this i can't explain

Joyce has had a bad spring no matter who’s been on the mound

I have to agree with SeanRod that he’ll never consistently hit RHP if his play v them is limited

There is nothing in his minor league career to suggest he can’t hit RHP

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by sternfan1 on Mar 25, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

The thing about the minor leagues is that they're full of minor league players

It’s weird, but try to wrap your mind around it a bit. I hope you aren’t basing regular season decisions on what’s going on in ST, there’s a million reasons or no reasons why certain things are done right now

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by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 25, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im a big fan of both

Been aboard the hype trains since both were acquired, but Joyce is the better overall hitter. Not to say Rodriguez isn’t good or won’t be above-average hitter, but right now Joyce has better discipline and I’d lean toward Joyce for raw power.

And him having a bad spring is as important as Luis Valbuena or whatever having like 5 home runs this March.

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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 25, 2011 10:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You mean Jaso the guy with more home runs this spring than Kotchman? ok.

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by Tommy Rancel on Mar 25, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tommy, the only two guys bringing attention to

Kotchman are you and RJ

Maddon and Friedman and the rest of us clearly get the fact of why he’s in camp

As for Jaso, he is an over rated back up catcher at best, and as i’ve been told many times HR aren’t the end all

Hope you’re feeling better

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by sternfan1 on Mar 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's getting weird--unless i'm missing something

these two guys and i like both of them have latched on to something and become obsessed with stirring controversy where there clearly isn’t any, at least from those in the know, unless RJ considers the sports blob as a threat to him

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by sternfan1 on Mar 25, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the litmus test:

This is from the watchingdurhambullsbaseball.com blog which I enjoy reading, but this caused a chuckle. Bold emphasis is mine:

And let me say this just to get ahead of the commenters: Yeah, Chris Richard is probably just as good a glove and probably a better bat than Kotchman

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by FreeZorilla on Mar 25, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's to hoping T-Bex can parlay this spring into a strong season in the minors

If he shows that kind of improvement as a hitter this year, the catcalls of being a bust will calm down very quickly.

Happy in a way that Elliot Johnson has won a spot again – it’s hard not to root for the guy – but I do wish there was a better alternative there. Plus, he’s always started fast and tapered off.

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by Brickhaus on Mar 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Felipe Lopez if he hits well at Durham

Vroom vroom party starter
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by Imperialism32 on Mar 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL at Kyle Farnsworth's FIP

Aye, business is business and money is money i never said we were friends.

by 4QB on Mar 25, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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