Rays Lose 9-3 to Orioles, or Where Art Thou Alex Cobb?
Today was one of those games where nothing went right and I really don't want to dwell on it. As such, we're going to go with some bullet points:
The Bad
- Andy Sonnanstine. Sonny got hit hard again today, allowing eight hits and a homerun in his five innings of work. The third inning was particularly painful: Sonny allowed a single to Brian Roberts, a double to Nick Markakis, a single to Derrek Lee, and a double to Vladimir Guerrero before finally getting out of the inning. He was missing with his pitches and leaving cutters hanging dead over the middle of the plate, and batters were teeing up on him. He simply let way too many pitches catch too much of the plate, and he paid the price dearly.
- The sixth inning. Rob Delaney entered the game and proceeded to walk the bases loaded (although the second of those free passes was intentional, as Adam Jones stole second base). The walks were all well-earned by the O's hitters, as Delaney fought hard and made each at bat last seven pitches, but still...Delaney did walk the bases loaded.
And then Cesar Ramos came in to face J.J. Hardy, and Hardy promptly hit a fastball over the left-field wall for a homerun. This is why Ramos should be used primarily as a left-handed specialist; I'm still not exactly sure why Maddon felt it was a good idea to use him in that situation. Anyone have any ideas? - The Rays' offense continues to be anemic at home. Matt Joyce, Elliot Johnson, and Casey Kotchman each had two hits today, but otherwise the Rays were all but silent at the plate. Jake Arrieta is a good enough pitcher, but you'd still hope that the Rays could do slightly more against him. Oh well, these games happen - let's just hope the offense picks it up with the Yanks in town.
The Good
- Andy Sonnanstine. I know this sounds bipolar of me, but there were some moments during today's game that we had glimpses of the old Sonny. He worked a great first inning, getting two groundball outs while working ahead of each batter, and he looked quite good during the fourth and fifth innings. During these good moments, Sonny was locating his pitches on the corners and getting ahead of hitters, and he was also getting batters to swing through his pitches. He generated 8 swinging strikes today (twice what Davis did yesterday, and in fewer pitches), he didn't walk anyone, and he managed to get through a full five innings.
After the third inning, I was ready to throw Andy to the wolves and call up Alex Cobb. I still think I'd prefer the Rays called up Alex Cobb, but Sonny looked good enough at times today to make me hesitate. Is there some chance the old Sonny is still in there, waiting to get back into a starting role before coming out? It seems highly unlikely, but you never know. But if the old Sonny is still there, we could always find out in Triple-A, yes? - Elliot Johnson hit his first career homerun in the bottom of the third inning. It didn't just sneak over the wall either - it was a towering shot to right-field. Well done, Elliot.
- Matt Joyce hit a homerun against a left-handed pitcher - Mike Gonzalez, nonetheless. Sure, Gonzalez has a ridiculously high ERA this season and he struggled with injuries and his control last season, but he's still a darn good pitcher. He's got filthy stuff and still strikes out a high number of batters, so I'm taking this as a really nice sign. As far as I'm concerned, Joyce should be up there facing pitchers of both hands right now.
- I really like Brandon Gomes. He pitched two innings today and although he let up three hits, he struck out a batter and looked the best of any of the Rays relievers out there today. Maybe that's not the biggest endorsement, but it's something.
- Price and Shields are pitching the next two days, so hopefully this offense won't need to score 10 runs in order to win the game. I'm 100% certain this home hitting slump is random variation, but it's still annoying as heck.
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Maybe I underestimate some MLB GM's, but here is another reason why I'd prefer Cobb
If Cobb comes up and does decent, then that may raise his profile and trade value a bit. I don’t think there is any chance he sticks in the Rays rotation and it seems like a total waste to blow a trade chip in the bullpen. So if he could get a few good starts in then perhaps a team like the Mets will suddenly be intrigued with Cobb as a serious piece in a Reyes package.
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Re: Ramos
I think Delaney’s ineffectiveness forced Maddon’s hand a bit. Looked like he was preparing Ramos for Roberts and Markakis, but Delaney obviously didn’t have it so he got him before Hardy. On the other hand, could argue Delaney shouldn’t have been in the 6th inning of a 2-run game.
Also agree on Gomes. It was garbage time, but I’ve been impressed with him for the most part.
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by Tommy Rancel on May 15, 2011 9:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good point Tommy, thanks.
Didn’t get a chance to think the Ramos thing through too much, but that sounds about right to me.
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by Steve Slowinski on May 16, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm starting to doubt that there's a statistical variation to the home offensive woes
The FB data is suggesting SOMETHING changed from 2007-2009 to 2010-2011
PIZZA?!?
Here's a sample of what I found, 2007-2011
Road ISO:
.166 .158 .166 .160 .174
Home ISO:
.164 .167 .188 .152 .136
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on May 15, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
A whole lot of the Bartlett-Zobrist show
by pudieron89 on May 16, 2011 4:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Off topic a bit
In yesterday’s game recap, Maddon has quotes there that seem to indicate that Wade decided on his own to go with his new pitching style. Maddon also seems a bit annoyed by it.
Anyone ever wonder why we never traded Sonnanstine? I mean even after the Edwin trade we could of got something good for this guy when people still thought he had something
by StylezMcKoolaid on May 15, 2011 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
Matt Moore is good at baseball.
And that Alex kid, the one in A+. He isn’t too bad either.
Delaney's line is just as bad as his timing
Gomes doesn’t have to worry about his roster spot now with JP coming back.
Price, Shields and Hellickson the next 3 days. I want to believe in Davis but he will have to show us something against the Jays. I think Bautista is going to make him pay for that 89 mph heat.
Under construction
Bautista made Price pay with 98mph heat
Wade might want to call in sick vs TOR that day
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on May 15, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait for Bautista vs Sonnanstine
by Ben Tumbling on May 15, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy will handle Bautista but end up giving up 3 HR's to John McDonald.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
by Doug09 on May 15, 2011 11:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That would be so annoying
But Bautista murdering Andy = entertainment.
by Ben Tumbling on May 15, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I misread as giving up a 3-run HR to McDonald
I retract — 3 HR’s to McDonald would be most special
by Ben Tumbling on May 15, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably
But Sonny wont be facing the Blue Jays, least not this time around. 2 game series has Hellickson and Davis going. Sonny, Price and Shields get the Marlins.
That’s going to be Price vs Johnson btw.
Under construction
Sonny vs the Marlins
Mike Stanton might hit the ball 800 feet. I like the idea of Sonny pitching in the NL though.
If the Rays call up Cobb to take Sonnanstine's spot in the rotation then Gomes might get sent down along with Delaney
I’d try Russell through waivers and hope for the best along with Delaney but that’s my opinion.
If Cobb takes Sonny's spot in the rotation
Sonny will most likely be sent down, he still has an option.
This was a post by ballsdeep yesterday:
Surprising….
No talk of small sample size in this thread though. They wouldn’t have had him change his style or sign him to a contract unless they believed that the end result of these "process struggles" is a solid pitcher for the next several years. It;s tough to watch, sure, but I saw a guy who was trying to pound the bottom of the zone a lot last night, and he was just below it a lot.
It’s pretty easy to jump all over a guy because of his poor results, but I’m willing to wait this out. And you’re kidding yourselves if you think a 95 mph fastball finds the zone, when a 90-92 mph one can’t.
by ballsdeep187 on May 15, 2011 6:34 AM PDT reply actions
@ptSuttery
This is Maddon's rebuttal:
“To me it’s more intentional on his part. I’m going to throw this way as opposed to just let it loose on each pitch. I think he’s trying to pitch a little bit more than he had in the past,” Maddon said. “The results haven’t been horrible to this point, and they weren’t horrible (Saturday). It’s just fastball command to me, Regardless of if he’s throwing it 88 or 93, being able to throw that where he wants to and not getting into such bad counts, he’s getting into a lot bad counts, each hitters are seeing way too many pitches and the advantage is to them.”
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Davis's new approach is sorta similar to young head case Greinke who was afraid to let loose
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by FreeZorilla on May 16, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
That's good. I always like it when one of our starters is compared to a guy who suffered from depression.
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Anxiety isn't depression fyi. Also they're from the same town, so perhaps there is something in the water
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 16, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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Greinke left spring training for personal reasons in late February 2006.6 It was later revealed that he was suffering from social anxiety disorder and depression.7 He reported back to the Royals’ spring training facility in Surprise, Arizona, on April 17, where he underwent ongoing pitching sessions. He was placed on the 60-day disabled list due to psychological issues and took time away from baseball entirely until returning on a rehab assignment with Wichita.
@ptSuttery
Meh.
Wasn’t it Maddon who talked about them changing his approach to pitching? If not then clearly my post was wrong.
But the velocity has nothing to do with his struggles, which is what I said, and what Maddon made a point of as well.


He’s pitching away more and just missing. Eventually he should learn how to harness his stuff with better command, but that day isn’t here yet.
The slower pitches might have also led to more contact, specifically more O-contact, which is great.
Oddly, if you look at pitch values on fangraphs, everything has seen a decent increase outside of his fastball, which might have more to do with the lack of command than the quality of the pitch.
It just seems to me, that with time, this will all come together, and people are really overreacting to a change in velocity and ignoring the big picture because they want/need him to be on point now.
by ballsdeep187 on May 16, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Great job, bd
I agree that this is the start of a process and I hope that he can get that fastball command so that he can nibble a bit, but get to a point where he can be aggressive and catch batters off balance as they have grown accustomed to the less aggressive approach he’s showing
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Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on May 16, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
His release point on all of his pitches has moved closer to the third base side.
But It doesn’t look like he has moved closer to the third base with his foot. I watched a highlight from this year and his game five start from last year. It looks like he has just extended his arm further away from his body. I’m no pitching expert, but a less coiled arm could explain the velo drop as well as the added horizontal movement on every single one of his pitches.
This is pure speculation on my part, but maybe the extra side to side movement is what is causing him to miss? Maybe he just needs to get a feel for where the pitch ends up now that it is moving across his body more? I don’t know,
by ballsdeep187 on May 16, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The optimist in me agrees with this whole-heartedly and hopes that it's correct
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on May 16, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, everything suggest he's just pitching like shit, so maybe he should stop trying to reinvent himself.
@ptSuttery
This
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